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I found this on the web while researching back up material for a response that I was attempting to make on one of a fellow JUBber's post. :p

[font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] I[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]n his original article, "Fascism Anyone?", Laurence Britt (interview) compared the regimes of Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Suharto, and Pinochet and identified 14 characteristics common to those fascist regimes. This page is a collection of news articles dating from the start of the Bush presidency divided into topics relating to each of the 14 points of fascism. Further analysis of American Fascism done by the POAC can be read here.[/font]

[font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism:Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]
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[font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights: Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Bush threatens to veto $442b defense bill if Congress investigates detainee abuses.[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Guantanamo Judge: “I don’t care about international law. I don’t want to hear the words ‘international law’ again. We are not concerned with international law.”[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Rumsfeld to approve new guidelines that will formalize the administration's policy of imprisoning without the protections of the Geneva Conventions and enable the Pentagon to legally hold "ghost detainees," [/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]US 'preparing to detain terror suspects for life without trial'[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]U.S. oks evidence gained through torture[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]July 1, 2003: U.S. Suspends Military Aid to Nearly 50 Countries: because they have supported the International Criminal Court and failed to exempt Americans from possible prosecution.[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]US has at least 9000 prisoners in secret detention[/font][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]















[font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause:The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Congressman: Muslims 'enemy amongst us'[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]SB 24, Ohio law to muzzle "liberals"[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]World history textbook used by seventh-graders at Scottsdale’s Mohave Middle School was pulled from classrooms mid-semester amid growing right criticism of the book’s unbiased portrayal of Islam [/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Rallies planned against 'Islamofacism': Event to 'unify all Americans behind common goal'[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]
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[font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]4.) Supremacy of the Military:Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]















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[font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Pentagon to spend 75 billion for three new brigades[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Three cable channels now feed news, information and entertainment about the armed services into millions of living rooms 24 hours a day, seven days a week: The Military Channel, the Military History Channel and the Pentagon Channel.[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]
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[font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]5.) Rampant Sexism:The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy. [/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]It's legal again, to fire gov't workers for being gay[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Bush calls for Constitutional ban on same-sex marriages[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Bush refuses to sign U.N proposal on women's "sexual" rights[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]W. David Hager chairman of the FDA's Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee does not prescribe contraceptives for single women, does not do abortions, will not prescribe RU-486 and will not insert IUDs.[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]The State Department has awarded an explicitly anti-feminist U.S. group part of a US$10 million grant to train Iraqi women in political participation and democracy.[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]
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[font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]6.) Controlled Mass Media:Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Smoking Gun Memo? Iraq Bombshell Goes Mostly Unreported in US Media [/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Report shows U.S. government has been engaged in illegal propaganda aimed at its own citizens and the story gets only 41 mentions in the media[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Free Press details recent governmental propaganda efforts, from faux-correspondent Jeff Gannon to paid-off pundit Armstrong Williams, and from the demise of FOIA to video news releases passed off as news. also... See a Whitehouse fake news release here (opens realplayer)[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]US seizes webservers from independent media sites[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Bush's war on information: US editors forbidden to publish certain foreign writers[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]















[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]7.) Obsession with National Security:[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses[/font][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica] [/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Bush Aides ADMIT 'stoking fear' for political gain: Bush adviser said the president hopes to change the dynamics of the race. The strategy is aimed at stoking public fears about terrorism, raising new concerns about Kerry's ability to protect Americans and reinforcing Bush's image as the steady anti-terrorism candidate, aides said.[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]The Bush administration periodically put the USA on high alert for terrorist attacks even though then-Homeland Security chief Tom Ridge argued there was only flimsy evidence to justify raising the threat level. [/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Keith Olbermann: "The Nexus of Politics and Terror."[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Cheney warns that if Kerry is elected, the USA will suffer a "devastating attack" [/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]GOP convention in a nutshell(quicktime) [/font][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Rove: GOP to Use Terror As Campaign Issue in 2006[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]
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[font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined:Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Jerry Falwell cleared of charges that he broke federal election law by urging followers to vote for Bush[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]NC congressman proposes law making it ok to preach politics from the pulpit[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Texas Governor Mobilizes Evangelicals[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Family research council: Justice Sunday[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Thou shalt be like Bush: What makes this recently established, right-wing Christian college unique are the increasingly close - critics say alarmingly close - links it has with the Bush administration and the Republican establishment. [/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Park Service Continues to Push Creationist Theory at Grand Canyon and other nat'l parks[/font][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]
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[font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]9.) Corporate Power is Protected:[/font]The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]The K Street Project is a project by the Republican party to pressure Washington lobbying firms to hire Republicans in top positions, and to reward loyal GOP lobbyists with access to influential officials. It was launched in 1995, by Republican strategist Grover Norquist and House majority leader Tom DeLay.[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]American Conservative Magazine: One U.S. contractor received $2 million in a duffel bag... and a U.S. official was given $7 million in cash in the waning days of the CPA and told to spend it “before the Iraqis take over.” [/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]There are 6 Congressional Committees investigating the Oil-for-Food (UN) scandal, yet not a single Republican Committee Chairman will call a hearing to investigate the whereabouts of 9 billion dollars missing in Iraq[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Bush money network rooted in Florida, Texas: Since Mr. Bush took office in 2001, the federal government has awarded more than $3 billion in contracts to the President's elite 2004 Texas fund-raisers, their businesses, and lobbying clients[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]
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[font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]10.) Labor Power is Suppressed:[/font]Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed. [/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Labor Department warns unions against using their money politically [/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]President Bush Attacks Organized Labor: Bush attacked organized labor Saturday, issuing orders effectively reducing how much money unions can spend for political activities and opening up government contracts to non-union bidding.[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]March 2001: President Bush signed his name to four executive orders on organized labor last month, including one that cuts the money unions will have for political campaign spending.[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Congress and the Department of Labor are trying to change the rules on overtime pay, eliminating the 40 hour work week, taking eligibility for overtime pay away from millions of workers, and replacing time and a half pay with comp days.[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]
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[font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts:Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Bush's new economic plan cuts funding for arts, education[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Artists from all over the world are being refused entry to the US on security grounds.[/font][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]A group of more than 60 top U.S. scientists, including 20 Nobel laureates and several science advisers to past Republican presidents, on Wednesday accused the Bush administration of manipulating and censoring science for political purposes [/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Freedom of Repression: New ruling will allow censorship of campus publications[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]
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[font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment: Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]America: secret jails, secret courts, secret arrests, and now secret laws[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Snitch-or-Go-to-Jail bill will make pretty much anything short of reporting on everyone you see for doing just about anything a jailable offense. With minimum sentences, up to and including life without parole. [/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]The problem with Gonzales is that he has been deeply involved in developing some of the most sweeping claims of near-dictatorial presidential power in our nation's history, allowing him to imprison and even (at least in theory) torture anyone in the world, at any time[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Police officers don't have to give a reason at the time they arrest someone, the U.S. Supreme Court said in a ruling that shields officers from false-arrest lawsuits. [/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]
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[font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]13.) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption: Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders. [/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Bush Cronyism: Foxes Guarding the henhouse[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Making Sense of the Abramoff Scandal[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]If Bush's pick is confirmed, that will mean the five top appointees at Justice have zero prosecutorial experience among them.[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Iran-Contra Felons Get Good Jobs from Bush[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Big Iraq Reconstruction Contracts Went To Big Donors[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]Bush Wars -- Crooks Get Contracts : The main companies that were awarded billions of dollars worth of contracts in Iraq have paid more than $300 million in fines since 2000, to resolve allegations of fraud, bid rigging, delivery of faulty military equipment, and environmental damage.[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]US Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) lost track of $9 billion [/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]"Contracting in the aftermath of the hurricanes has been marked by waste, corruption and cronyism"[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]
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[font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]14. Fraudulent Elections: [/font]Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.[/font]

Source: http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

I figured that some of ya'll might like this because it has pretty pictures, grafts, and links!

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I love 'ya,Centexfarmer,but I have to protest this piece of leftist propaganda as a typical approach of hammer over scalpel,of gross overstatement and hysteria over reasoned policy disagreement.There is a reason there are blue states and red states and it ain't those dang rednecks!The arrogance and smug superiority of the left-there again putting a share of the blame of allowing Republican policy to get an insidious foothold on good'ole average Americans of primarily Southern,Western,Heartland American breeding,scream unflatteringly,-with no degree of subtlety and rational consideration.Try selling this country's descent into fascism to real nations with authoritarian or totalitarian central governments,like China,Russia,Cuba,Vietnam,Iran,Syria,Sudan,Iraq under Saddam Hussein.The people of those nations would love to live in our abyss instead!There are real policy differences many could argue with the current Administration-and I don't support some of those policies myself,but one doesn't try to change the electoral landscape by blindly going off the deep end .Try this approach in this year's coming elections and the decisive 2008 presidential election-and watch any chance of a Democratic comeback anytime soon to evaporate.
 
sausageeater said:
I love 'ya,Centexfarmer,but I have to protest this piece of leftist propaganda as a typical approach of hammer over scalpel,of gross overstatement and hysteria over reasoned policy disagreement.There is a reason there are blue states and red states and it ain't those dang rednecks!The arrogance and smug superiority of the left-there again putting a share of the blame of allowing Republican policy to get an insidious foothold on good'ole average Americans of primarily Southern,Western,Heartland American breeding,scream unflatteringly,-with no degree of subtlety and rational consideration.Try selling this country's descent into fascism to real nations with authoritarian or totalitarian central governments,like China,Russia,Cuba,Vietnam,Iran,Syria,Sudan,Iraq under Saddam Hussein.The people of those nations would love to live in our abyss instead!There are real policy differences many could argue with the current Administration-and I don't support some of those policies myself,but one doesn't try to change the electoral landscape by blindly going off the deep end .Try this approach in this year's coming elections and the decisive 2008 presidential election-and watch any chance of a Democratic comeback anytime soon to evaporate.

But see? This is my ever lovin point!

Through out American History there have alway been extremes!

It's usually up to the electorate to decide just how far this country swings from one extreme to another.

Those of us, I include myself, who swing a little further left than center, and those who swing a little further right than center, have historically always played off of each other, and most importantly off of the center's fears!

You and I can call each other names until the cows come home, but when it comes right down to it, you and I will defend our country will our very lives if it came down to it.

In my opinion, these exchanges, and dialogues, are what constitutes a healthy democracy.

If some, what did you call it? Oh, yeah, "piece of leftist propaganda" comes your way, I can submit that it wasn't put out there or shared from any "leftist" slant. Just a shield against the "right-wing" American Taliban is flooding FOX News and many of our countries Op-Ed pages with.

It's shared to make you think! Not what someone else (talk radio, FOX News, the Heritage Foundation) tells you to think! ;)

If it's propoganda, proove it!

NOUN:

  1. The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
  2. Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause: [size=+0]wartime propaganda.[/size]
  3. [font=arial,sans-serif][size=-1]Propaganda[/size][/font] Roman Catholic Church A division of the Roman Curia that has authority in the matter of preaching the gospel, of establishing the Church in non-Christian countries, and of administering Church missions in territories where there is no properly organized hierarchy.
Okay, well let's call it "counter-propaganda" then! ;)

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ajacobs said:
Maybe we should check wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facism

Fascism is typified by totalitarian attempts to impose state control over all aspects of life: political, social, cultural, and economic. The fascist state regulates and controls (as opposed to nationalizing) the means of production. Fascism exalts the nation, state, or race as superior to the individuals, institutions, or groups composing it. Fascism uses explicit populist rhetoric; calls for a heroic mass effort to restore past greatness; and demands loyalty to a single leader, often to the point of a cult of personality.

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The word has become a political slur throughout the political spectrum since the failure of the Axis powers in World War II. In contemporary political discourse, adherents of some political ideologies tend to associate fascism with their enemies, or define it as the opposite of their own views.

Wikipedia? Dude wassup with that? It's a great resource, but it's not the end all be all for "accurate" information.

Okay, so I'll address the comments that you posted.
Fascism exalts the nation, state, or race as superior to the individuals, institutions, or groups composing it. Fascism uses explicit populist rhetoric; calls for a heroic mass effort to restore past greatness; and demands loyalty to a single leader, often to the point of a cult of personality.

[font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism:Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]
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The word has become a political slur throughout the political spectrum since the failure of the Axis powers in World War II. In contemporary political discourse, adherents of some political ideologies tend to associate fascism with their enemies, or define it as the opposite of their own views


[font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica]3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause:The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.[/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font][font=Arial, Arial, Helvetica][/font]

What else? Anybody?

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stevenavy2003 said:
This I had to comment to.

Any time supremacy is given to military authorities is endangers civilian liberties. Unfortunately, finding the right balance between the two isn't as easy as opening a textbook and consulting a formula. Throughout our history, the US has seen times of great military strength, and other times when the military presence was so underfunded and undermanned that our defense rested upon the two great oceans that pad our coasts.

Military funding always has been a controversial area. And, while we can argue the details, I think it important to remember the size and influence of our nation. That takes a huge amount of resources to protect American interests, both here and abroad. And, before someone criticizes our foreign influence, I would ask them to remember that it is always preferable to fight a conflict on foreign soil, rather then on home soil. So, we must continue to project our power abroad and that takes resources.

Contrary to the television commercials, there is little to be glamourized about military service. It is a patriotic duty to some. It is a job to others. It is an education to some, and an escape for others. Whatever the reason for serving, we all should be thankful that millions of men and women have volunteered to take on that task for the defense of our country and the principals that it stands for.

Free debate and a free exchange of ideas are bedrock principals of our republic. Hundreds of thousands of men/women have died protecting those rights and the rights of future generations to continue such exchanges. And, believe me, I think criticism of our government is beneficial when that criticism is constructive. As for those who argue for the sake of arguing.............well, that's one of the reasons why, with a click of the mouse, I can quickly exercise my right to ignore that and move on to the next topic.

I find it sad when arm-chair quarterbacks have all the perfect criticism on whomever is in power at the moment, when they fail to acknowledge that there just might be a few hundred details to which they are not privileged to know. And comparisons of any president to Adolf Hitler --however dramatic that is supposed to be--is simply reprehensible and indefensible. Of course, I respect their right to do that, because we do live in a free country and 1.4 million American men and women in uniform serve every day to keep it that way. And millions more carry on civilian political responsibilities to insure the same protections.

I'm finishing my sixth year in military service. I do so because I choose to serve. I enjoy what I do and I have a great sense of accomplishment. I do not serve a perfect commander, nor do I serve a perfect Commander in Chief, but I do believe that we make a difference every day.....and, quite honestly, that's exactly why I wake up every day and decide I'm going to do what I choose to do.

So, to close this little soapbox, I honor all those who serve (or have served) in uniform, whether it be by choice or by draft. But, don't let that uniform ever cloud your civil liberties, because a powerful military--when administered incorrectly--is a danger to the fabric of democracy.

It'll be interesting to see how my comments are received in this thread. Somehow, I doubt I'll be surprised though.

Stevenavy2003! (*8*)

When I served in the United States Coast Guard, I use to laugh whenever I heard about how the "gov't was spending on the military." Why did I laugh? I suspect for the same reasons that you laughed when you read # 4 of the 14 points of Fascism.

4.) Supremacy of the Military:Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized




From a military perspective the government cannot give us enough $$$ to do our jobs, at least as far as their mission for us goes!

However, that's not what this website is talking about, it's talking about how average American's have to do with out...can you say Katrina? Retired fixed income elderly Americans, Impoverished/rural School Children? while the "military" rebuilds Iraq?

That's what that's saying.

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ajacobs said:
My point with the wikipedia post, is that these are not the definition of facism. IT was obviously written with the prospective of being an intentionally loose definition to fit the current administration. The irony is that it would almost fit any administration as it is written so loosly. These are not the definition of facism, as wikipedia says, facism is mostly just used as a slur. BUt even when you look at the defining features of facism our goverment doesn't match up.

I completely respect what you're saying here. What the author did that put this perpective together looked at various countries past and present, and took that what is defined as fascism (whether wikipedia or not I don't know) and said:

"Fascism Anyone?", Laurence Britt
compared the regimes of Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Suharto, and Pinochet and identified 14 characteristics common to those fascist regimes. This page is a collection of news articles dating from the start of the Bush presidency divided into topics relating to each of the 14 points of fascism.


That's what I'm sharing here.

Though I may not agree entirely with the outcome, isn't it our duty as American's to at least be on the lookout for any threat (perceived or real) against our Constitution?

I'm not saying, I'm just saying. ;)
 
I heard a caller on C-Span this morning describe the current administration as neither liberal nor conservative but authoritarian. I think thats a better fit than fascisit. Certainly when it comes to national security and any domestic connections thereof this administration thinks they do not need to report to anyone....particularily congress.

It also explains why Bush has never vetoed anything as doing so would be a tacit acknowledgment that another branch of goverment is his equal. Its much better instead to sign the bill and simply ignore those parts you wish to ignore.

If Bush was dealing with a democratic congress and behaved this way I would think it was a partisan thing and he just had disdain for the opposition party but since its his own party in control of congress I must conclude its the actual institution that he disdains.....he's not a dictator but in this way he acts like one.
 
Now, I admit that I read through this thread rather quickly, so maybe I missed it, but what about the question of whether the word fascist is an appropriate designation for Islamic Jihadists?

Fascism is rule by force, while maintaining a facade of legality.

(The Fasces were a bundle of sticks tied up with an axe in them. They represented both the power of the state, and the responsibility of the state to exercise suitable control of that power, keeping the fasces bundled until and unless they were really needed, indicating that power should be exercised only at need, and not routinely. The Fasces were unbound only a few times in almost a millenium of Roman history.)

It's almost funny.

Saddam Hussein, Assad, the Sauds, Mubarek, all are in fact "Islamo-Fascists".

The terrorists, whatever they are, are not at all fascist.

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The problem with the list, as it alleges to be a list of common traits to fascism, is that it fails to list historical examples from those in which it compares this administration. The reason it gets slammed without good reason is because it is overly critical of the administration without proper cites to justify its points, which isn't good reason to slam it but would require the reader either to assume the assertion is true or research its accuracy for hisself.

Well, I'll admit that I'm a different person than I was back in January of '06 when I first posted this.

I probably would have cleaned up my post a little better had I known how.

If you'll notice behind each point highlighted in blue, and underlined links to the assertations to back up those points.

I do however agree the connections between the Bush Administration and the historical examples appear to be inferred or implied.

I beg your forgiveness. (*8*)

The webite that I pulled this from is hardly what anyone would call "bi-partisan."

I shared it to give everyone something to think about.

naked gent is probably on to something about the Bush Administration being more authoritarian, as opposed to fascistic.
 
naked gent writes:
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If Bush was dealing with a democratic congress and behaved this way I would think it was a partisan thing and he just had disdain for the opposition party but since its his own party in control of congress I must conclude its the actual institution that he disdains.....he's not a dictator but in this way he acts like one.
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When I went to the Oreo Flash in #4.) Supremacy of the Military: and while waiting for it to load, they ran quotes from Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield. One in particular from Bush:

Quote: If this was a dictatorship, it would be easier, as long as I was the Dictator. unquote

That my not be the exact wording but the meaning is there. To me this sounds like something Bush would say, but do any of you know if it is true? Or is this just something the maker of the Flash made up. It's getting to where nobody knows what the Hell is going on up there.

And no, I am not disagreeing with anyone, I don't want the Gen or Ico on my ass.
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I sit and read these reads every day in the CE&P forum and can hardly believe all of the divergent comments about Bush and the government of the United States. There is nothing united about America or its people. There is such wide spread divergence that nothing gets done.

Bush and Company lean very heavily toward a Fascist regime and citizens are kept under fear and made to believe that there is a terrorist attack just round the corner and therefore they should give up their civil liberties in order to be protected. What a crock! This is exactly what happened in Germany as the Third Reich rose to power and the rights of the German people began to be taken away.

Get a grip, gentlemen! All of you are going to be surprised one morning and then wonder what happened. I am at least glad to see that the Republican party is beginning to be brought down a bit regarding Foley. The Speaker of the house is bringing it down even moreso by refusing to resign. Yes! There is a rise of Fascism in America. You are just afraid to see it and attack it and try to do something about it because, according to Americans, this sort of thing does not happen there.
 
Thanx for the advice crlcxll. We know we've got problems, that's why we talk about them here instead of pretending we're one big happy American family. How are things working out over in Germany?

SPIEGEL Magazine: Quietly and persistently, a new youth culture has developed in both the eastern and western parts of Germany. It's Germanic and xenophobic and potentially explosive.

While the German government does its best to ban neo-Nazi demonstrations at memorials for victims of the Nazis, right-wing extremism is gaining new adherents in schools, concert venues and at youth gatherings. The "nationalist mood" has become "chronic and wide-spread" in former East Germany, says Bernd Wagner, an expert on extremism. But young people in these areas are unlikely to encounter many foreigners there. According to a current study by the Bavarian State Office for Political Education, their right-wing extremism is a protest -- even a revolt -- against the West's more liberal, middle-class values.

Most young right-wingers, both in the West and the East, are not willing to engage in violence, but they do prepare the ground for skinheads and thugs. The first effects of this process are already being felt. In its annual report issued last week, the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution notes that neo-Nazi groups have experienced growth rates in excess of 25 percent. The number of crimes and violent acts committed by right-wing extremists is also growing, as is the frequency of skinhead concerts. Minister of the Interior Otto Schily says that the increasingly aggressive right-wing extremist movement is cause "for great concern."
 
naked gent writes:
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If Bush was dealing with a democratic congress and behaved this way I would think it was a partisan thing and he just had disdain for the opposition party but since its his own party in control of congress I must conclude its the actual institution that he disdains.....he's not a dictator but in this way he acts like one.
unquote

When I went to the Oreo Flash in #4.) Supremacy of the Military: and while waiting for it to load, they ran quotes from Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield. One in particular from Bush:

Quote: If this was a dictatorship, it would be easier, as long as I was the Dictator. unquote

That my not be the exact wording but the meaning is there. To me this sounds like something Bush would say, but do any of you know if it is true? Or is this just something the maker of the Flash made up. It's getting to where nobody knows what the Hell is going on up there.

And no, I am not disagreeing with anyone, I don't want the Gen or Ico on my ass.
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Lati I remember Bush saying that. He said it with a grin but he did say it.
 
Thanks Naked Gent and ICO7.

ICO7 I really didn't mean anything by that, just trying to be cute. Y'all can get worked up sometimes. I don't know how I have been out of pocket since 2000 but I have. I gotta pay attention.
 
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