On Topic Discussion 2019 Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2)

[belamyi]

Meanwhile, in Catalonia (7.5 million people), reports its lowest ICU occupancy related to covid ever: nine patients.

Those over-80 would be getting their fourth shot at the end of this month.

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What did Trump say?.. like a dream.

 

[frankfrank]

One of the more scary statistics is that one in five of these COVID-19 survivors report some long-term symptom after their infection. It's called "long COVID" and about 1:13 Americans may be affected.

Is it one in five infected, or one in thirteen infected, who end up with long COVID?

Either way - and I don't think that the JUB crowd really knew this because I may have never posted it - I had COVID at the beginning of, and one-third into, May this year. Fever peaked exactly 100.0 compared to my normal 97.1 to 97.5, so not severe. More interestingly, other than typical symptoms of a cold (some coughing, mucus)...and NO aches of any kind other than mild unrelated chronic issues, I was NEVER fatigued, slowed down, woozy, lethargic, "forced into bed" or any of that. In fact, I got a LOT of work done at home while I was sick, stuff that had to be done and I couldn't go out anyway. I am aware of no cognitive or brain issues whatsoever. I consider myself fortunate, because apparently it was like "playing Russian roulette with long COVID" and I assume the elderly are more likely?

Meanwhile, in Catalonia (7.5 million people), reports its lowest ICU occupancy related to covid ever: nine patients.

Wad'ya mean, belamo? nine is the LOWEST-EVER COVID-related ICU occupancy?

Three years ago it was ZERO.

 

[belamyi]

Wad'ya mean, belamo? nine is the LOWEST-EVER COVID-related ICU occupancy?

Three years ago it was ZERO.

That IS a covid-related vacancy

 

[belamyi]

Still, we could never be sure, since the virus had not been identified yet

 

[KaraBulut]

Is it one in five infected, or one in thirteen infected, who end up with long COVID?

Of the people who are infected, one in five develop symptoms that persist beyond the original infection (i.e. long COVD-19).

Because the omicron infection rates were so high in 2022, one in three Americans have had COVID-19 at least one time. This fact means that of the total US population, about 1 in every 13 Americans is dealing with long COVID-19 symptoms).

Either way - and I don't think that the JUB crowd really knew this because I may have never posted it - I had COVID at the beginning of, and one-third into, May this year. Fever peaked exactly 100.0 compared to my normal 97.1 to 97.5, so not severe. More interestingly, other than typical symptoms of a cold (some coughing, mucus)...and NO aches of any kind other than mild unrelated chronic issues, I was NEVER fatigued, slowed down, woozy, lethargic, "forced into bed" or any of that.

How many days did you have symptoms?

In fact, I got a LOT of work done at home while I was sick, stuff that had to be done and I couldn't go out anyway. I am aware of no cognitive or brain issues whatsoever. I consider myself fortunate, because apparently it was like "playing Russian roulette with long COVID" and I assume the elderly are more likely?

It's the middle age groups who reported the most long-COVID symptoms. It's not clear whether this is because people in the 30-60 year old age group are more likely to be active and employed, and therefore felt more impact from the fatigue, brain fog and other symptoms.

Nearly One in Five American Adults Who Have Had COVID-19 Still Have “Long COVID” [CDC]



The good news is that statistically, 80% of Americans didn't develop long-COVID and even those who did may have had mild symptoms like long-term loss of sense of smell. But the number of people who are having severe symptoms and the fact that vaccination doesn't offer complete protection from long-COVID are of concern.

I recently read an interview with Sen Tim Kaine (D-VA) who has been suffering with long-COVID for over 2 years. Because Sen Kaine looks healthy, it is difficult for people to understand that he is battling long-COVID. And his Republican Senate colleagues are not taking the issue seriously.

Tim Kaine has long Covid. That’s not moving Congress to act. [Politico]

 

[KaraBulut]

Variant Watch:

In the US, BA.5 and a new subvariant - BA.4.6 - is increasing week to week.

COVID cases are increasing in Europe. In the US, we see a seasonal bump in cases that occurs when school starts in September and continues into January. The increase is generally attributable to mass-gatherings and travel around the holidays.

Reminder: mild and asymptomatic COVID-19 infection correlates with high antibody levels. The new COVID-19 boosters contain omicron BA.1 variant which will help fight other omicron variants including BA.4, BA4.6 and BA.5. Only about 4% of the eligible people have received the booster, so we may be in for a rough few months. If you haven't gotten your booster, this is a good time to get it.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2022-10-07/cdc-omicron-subvariants-ba-4-6-bf-7-increasing-while-ba-5-declines

 

[Kulindahr]

Yesterday I got both the new COVID booster (Pfizer) and a flu shot. I woke up early-early this morning feeling like I was in an over but at the same time shivering like I was naked in a snowstorm. Along with this came a pounding headache and dizziness. Until I had some breakfast my stomach felt fine but about an hour after I started feeling hints of "Hey, let's barf!" from my guts.

It took till now to be able to type without feeling like hammers were pounding my head.

I'm going to very, very carefully try to take Knox for a (slow) walk!



I'd rather be out there....

 

[Kulindahr]

Variant Watch:

In the US, BA.5 and a new subvariant - BA.4.6 - is increasing week to week.

COVID cases are increasing in Europe. In the US, we see a seasonal bump in cases that occurs when school starts in September and continues into January. The increase is generally attributable to mass-gatherings and travel around the holidays.

Reminder: mild and asymptomatic COVID-19 infection correlates with high antibody levels. The new COVID-19 boosters contain omicron BA.1 variant which will help fight other omicron variants including BA.4, BA4.6 and BA.5. Only about 4% of the eligible people have received the booster, so we may be in for a rough few months. If you haven't gotten your booster, this is a good time to get it.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2022-10-07/cdc-omicron-subvariants-ba-4-6-bf-7-increasing-while-ba-5-declines

Crap but does this thing mutate fast!

 

[Peloso]

Yesterday I got both the new COVID booster (Pfizer) and a flu shot. I woke up early-early this morning feeling like I was in an over but at the same time shivering like I was naked in a snowstorm. Along with this came a pounding headache and dizziness. Until I had some breakfast my stomach felt fine but about an hour after I started feeling hints of "Hey, let's barf!" from my guts.

It took till now to be able to type without feeling like hammers were pounding my head.

I'm going to very, very carefully try to take Knox for a (slow) walk!

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I'd rather be out there....

I got my booster today. I don't get as sick as you did but I will feel like crap tomorrow.

Nice scenery. I wish I lived there.

Cute doggy too.

 

[ShadowCat]

Having had cv19 in nov 2020 I can say this IT FUCKING SUCKS! I had the fever, chills, night sweats and chest tightness loss of smell and still 2 years later brain fog the word I want is there but I can't say it, or the word entirely escapes me! I also think it fucked up my internal thermometer because i've been warm when I should be cool and too cool when I should be warm! The night sweats and chills were the worst part because of everything that happened to me in June 2020 that made me wonder if it was infact HIV because of the night sweats, test confirmed cv19 but it still was paranoia city! Then we had to wear masks inside for 2 weeks that was a lovely pain in the ass! 3 people eating in shifts! Made for a fabulous thanksgiving then shit happened to make it a wonderful Christmas the last still has me pissed off!

 

[rareboy]

Yesterday I got both the new COVID booster (Pfizer) and a flu shot. I woke up early-early this morning feeling like I was in an over but at the same time shivering like I was naked in a snowstorm. Along with this came a pounding headache and dizziness. Until I had some breakfast my stomach felt fine but about an hour after I started feeling hints of "Hey, let's barf!" from my guts.

It took till now to be able to type without feeling like hammers were pounding my head.

I'm going to very, very carefully try to take Knox for a (slow) walk!

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I'd rather be out there....

I have not had a reaction to any of them. If there is a silver lining, the reactions are an indication of a helthy immune system.

 

[KaraBulut]

Yesterday I got both the new COVID booster (Pfizer) and a flu shot. I woke up early-early this morning feeling like I was in an over but at the same time shivering like I was naked in a snowstorm. Along with this came a pounding headache and dizziness. Until I had some breakfast my stomach felt fine but about an hour after I started feeling hints of "Hey, let's barf!" from my guts.

I got my booster today. I don't get as sick as you did but I will feel like crap tomorrow.

Kuhlindahr is one of 3-4 people that I've heard of who have a consistently strong reaction to each of the shots. It's not unusual for people to have strong reactions to the first two shots but after that, it seems to be random and almost always over within 48 hours of the injection.

This might give you some peace to know that the studies are supporting something that we suspected: in research studies of people who have strong reactions, they also have higher antibody levels after their boosters.

Covid-19 vaccine study links side effects with greater antibody response [CNN]

Covid-19 vaccine study links side effects with greater antibody response | CNN

People who reported experiencing side effects to the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna Covid-19 vaccines such as fever, chills or muscle pain tended to have a greater antibody response following vaccination, according to new research.

www.cnn.com

Crap but does this thing mutate fast!

There's a couple of new variants - one is a BA.2 variant (BA.2 was predominant in the winter of 2022) called XBB. XBB is dominant in Singapore but has shown in in 26 countries. XBB also seems to be causing more hospitalizations that some of the other omicron variants.

Currently, in the US, BA.5 is still 80% of the cases and XBB hasn't gotten established here.

Germany is getting walloped at the moment - over 500,000 new cases per week.

 

[Peloso]

Kuhlindahr is one of 3-4 people that I've heard of who have a consistently strong reaction to each of the shots. It's not unusual for people to have strong reactions to the first two shots but after that, it seems to be random and almost always over within 48 hours of the injection.

This might give you some peace to know that the studies are supporting something that we suspected: in research studies of people who have strong reactions, they also have higher antibody levels after their boosters.

So would if follow that people who have a mild reaction have higher antibody levels than people who have little to no reaction?

 

[rareboy]

So would if follow that people who have a mild reaction have higher antibody levels than people who have little to no reaction?

Absolutely. We had one friend who loves to hang on the cross and was so disappointed after having a reaction to the shot to learn that it meant that she had a more robust immune system than the rest of us who just breezed right through it.

 

[cabinfever]

For the 5th shot - they made us sit in a tent outside for 1/2 hour to make sure there were no reactions.

The first four shots I only had to wait 10 minutes.

The only bad reaction I had was to the fourth shot - I had a pain in my arm and it was hard to lift it for about a month. I think they jabbed it in the wrong place.

 

[cityboy-stl]

I got my flu and covid booster a week ago, Wed (10-19). That makes my 5th covid shot. The pharmacist asked if I'd had any allergic type reactions to the other shots, and when I said I hadn't, he said I was free to go and didn't have to wait at all. My reactions were similar to all the other shots. I had 100.5 fever, slight muscle weakness and felt fatigued on Thur. By Fri. I only felt a little fatigued. Sat., all was back to normal. In my view, that is a small price to pay for the best protection available from something could kill me.

 

[KaraBulut]

So would if follow that people who have a mild reaction have higher antibody levels than people who have little to no reaction?

The studies showed that the mRNA vaccines were 99% effective in producing an antibody response.

What the studies also showed is that people who reported symptoms from their vaccine had higher bump antibody levels. The responses were pretty common - about half of the people who receive the shot have soreness at the site of the injection. The more systemic responses - chills, fever, headaches, etc - are signs of a more robust response and correlate with higher immune reaction. It's that more robust immune response that seems to be associated with a bigger increase in antibody levels after the shot.

The antibody boost lasts about 4 months. It's the reason that it's recommended that people who have COVID-19 wait at least 2 months before getting the new booster, because the higher antibody level from the infection does lower the overall immune response to the vaccine.

 

[Kulindahr]

I got my booster today. I don't get as sick as you did but I will feel like crap tomorrow.

Nice scenery. I wish I lived there.

Cute doggy too.

Still have occasional chills, after three days. I also had what to me seems an odd reaction: massive inflammation at the site of an old injury under my right shoulder blade. The pain was bad enough I went to Urgent Care. I thought it was a torn muscle, but after squeezing and prodding the (amazingly cute) physician's assistant decided it was a reaction to the booster-plus-flu injections. My hypothesis is that since it has been injured and inflamed before it was a spot that was vulnerable to new inflammation.

The scenery is the approach route to out where I do conservation work.

The pup is Knox, six and a half months old, in training to be my service dog.

 

[Kulindahr]

Kuhlindahr is one of 3-4 people that I've heard of who have a consistently strong reaction to each of the shots. It's not unusual for people to have strong reactions to the first two shots but after that, it seems to be random and almost always over within 48 hours of the injection.

This might give you some peace to know that the studies are supporting something that we suspected: in research studies of people who have strong reactions, they also have higher antibody levels after their boosters.

Covid-19 vaccine study links side effects with greater antibody response [CNN]

Covid-19 vaccine study links side effects with greater antibody response | CNN

People who reported experiencing side effects to the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna Covid-19 vaccines such as fever, chills or muscle pain tended to have a greater antibody response following vaccination, according to new research.

www.cnn.com

There's a couple of new variants - one is a BA.2 variant (BA.2 was predominant in the winter of 2022) called XBB. XBB is dominant in Singapore but has shown in in 26 countries. XBB also seems to be causing more hospitalizations that some of the other omicron variants.

Currently, in the US, BA.5 is still 80% of the cases and XBB hasn't gotten established here.

Germany is getting walloped at the moment - over 500,000 new cases per week.

This last reaction was the worst of all. I don't know if anyone else has had the experience of feeling insanely hot and intensely cold at the same time, but it isn't fun at all.

So does this mean I had a low antibody count before the booster or that I have a strong immune system that reacts like a while armored division? I'm guessing the latter since I've been around infected people but still test negative... which reminds me, somewhere here I've still got some test kits; I should get them out where I can find them easily.

 

[Kulindahr]

For the 5th shot - they made us sit in a tent outside for 1/2 hour to make sure there were no reactions.

The first four shots I only had to wait 10 minutes.

The only bad reaction I had was to the fourth shot - I had a pain in my arm and it was hard to lift it for about a month. I think they jabbed it in the wrong place.

Odd -- they just asked me if I'd had any near-term bad reactions before, and when I said no they told me I could go when I wanted.

The pain in the shoulder thing was bad this time; at first it was just in the shoulder where I got the COVID booster but after six hours or so the other shoulder, where the flu shot was given, started to throb as well -- I'm just glad it waited till after dinner because once that hit I couldn't lift my arms more than a 60° angle.It still hurts to lift farther than that but it's not much worse than stepping on a nail so no big deal.