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Bear411 is Racist

Freedom means one can do as one is pleased to.
Why not start a site of your own four your tastes and those who share your tastes?:D
 
^No, freedom doesn't mean you can do anything you please. If someone pays for a membership, you can't deny them the benefits of that membership.

Racism in the gay community has always astounded and saddened me. Being a total white boy, I rarely get to see it directly and, therefore, appreciate these sorts of updates, so I know which sites not to frequent or give my money.
 
Fucking racist guy! There was always something inside me that told me not to join bear411, which never did, and now I get it; I will never support that racist's site, I'm Mexican and I assume that motherfucker doesn't like my chocolate-milk skin color either, but I don't care, he's just another stupid and insignificant human being of the 6 billions that exist in our planet.
So, let's keep enjoying our men and let that jerk die in his white KKK world.

PaCkOMaLdiTo :)
 
Alexandre said:
Freedom means one can do as one is pleased to.
Why not start a site of your own four your tastes and those who share your tastes?:D
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Well, BearZone promotes equality for all. You'll notice that I try to put a mix of people of all races and kinds on there, especially in 'Chased of the Day' feature. I'm not out to change what's wrong and corrupt about bear411. But the owner of that site had better hope I never run in to him at a bear event.
 
bear411 is the worst site i've ever been a member of. it was just so confusing and weird that i gave it up a few days after becoming a member, but this racist thing is pretty outrageous.
granted, he (buddybear) can do as he pleases with his own site but while he not only alienates people of color he also alienates all the other members of the site with friends and loved ones of color. i don't think that many of the other members share his views and if were still a member i'd feel pretty cheated..
yeah this sucks :mad:
 
What's really annoying is that I wasn't bothering anyone, or breaking any of the rules. I've never even talked to anyone there who didn't talk to me first. And without warning, or explination, he just deleted my entire profile as if it was never there and no one would notice. That sucks.
 
Thanks Thundercizzle, for alerting us to this jerk. I will avoid this site. I'm white, but black bears are my favorite. Big chocolate bear dick slamming up my hairy white butt and making my big hairy belly jiggle is my idea of Heaven, and a site that excludes black men is a waste of my time as well as insulting and racist. When will people learn; there's only one race, the Human Race?
BTW, LOVE your galleries. They're so extensive, I still haven't made my way through all of them, but the trip is fun.
Oh, and one other thing, you're hot.
 
What's up with these guys who are racist, biased, etc? I'm white but enjoy men of all races, sizes, and shapes. I may not go to bed with them all but certainly wouldn't disrepect them as is being done by that guy. I'm glad that are sites that welcome all. Most of us are men who love men. Each of us has different tastes. I'm staying clear of that site.
 
Broke Straight Boys
Daddiesboy19 said:
Well I don't really know the owner of the site, I actually made two good friends that like me very much all because I went to that website. Plus have like 50 contacts many of them are colored people that I enjoy talking to. I'm pretty sure a lot of people have negative comments on bear411's service and how the owner treats certain people okay, but others with complete shit. Hopefully someone out there makes a better website that doesn't have any racist people behind it.
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Okay, I'm not trying to start anything. But colored people? We might want to update our references to minorities of color.
 
I don't think we can afford to be racist as gay men- I mean if we want to be treated properly by others we HAVE to treat those different to ourselves the same way! The level of racism at times in the gay community is a constant shock... :(
 
This is the dumbest thread I've seen. There's nothing racist on bear411. I'm on that site multiple times a day, and there are black guys and other guys of color all over the place! I've met many black guys on there. I have a lily white friend whose profile was not accepted, so there evidently are some requirements I don't know about, but it's certainly not based on race!
 
True or not, it's not "DUMB" to question what's wrong with the site. Evidentally, it's not a site run by a good man. There's proof of that. I only know my experience and what other's have experienced. YOU, are not black so there isn't much that you could understand about this. Sadly, It is a known fact that people are treated differently in this world based on race, among other things. And it's just ignorant or naive not to acknowledge that. I've never heard problems like this about any other site. And I work and promote sites for a living.
 
Thundercizzle said:
YOU, are not black so there isn't much that you could understand about this. Sadly, It is a known fact that people are treated differently in this world based on race...
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When there are LOTS of blacks on the site, it's obviously not racist. It is indeed DUMB to call a site racist when it's OBVIOUS that it's not. I don't have to be black to understand that!
 
Thundercizzle said:
BTW, you might find this upcoming show inciteful: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11394595/
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I find it insightful, not inciteful.

I find somewhat of a puzzle that one bear website would post a borderline defamatory article about another potentially opening the door to legal ramifications absent a more substantiated justification.

While I absolutely believe that racism is still rampant in this country, I also think that the growing numbers of individuals living in poverty, and the growing class divide creates a spurious analysis when assessing the impact of race on discrimination. The very influential and important sociologist William Julias Wilson created groundbreaking theories in the late 80s related to class and race, and since that time sociologists have a better understanding of the relationship of class vis-a-vis race.

The show you highlight looks like it will be interesting, but without a complete switch of the socio-economic structure of the family, I fear it will be lacking in any real value in terms of classic participant-observant research.

Just my two cents.
 
Ok, you guys are getting to be too much. Point blank: If you're not black an in the US, there are certain experiences that you just can't comprehend. It's that simple. I have experienced much myself that many sociologist couldn't fathom.

Secondly, one spelling error doesn't need to be corrected as if it's ruining the world, and we don't need legal advice from you. I did not say myself that Bear411 is racist in the article. I simply stated FACTS about my experience with the site, and shared what someone else wrote about their experience. Then, I asked what other's experience has been like. If there weren't people of all races coming forward with these same allegations, I wouldn't have shared.

BigBearVA said:
When there are LOTS of blacks on the site, it's obviously not racist. It is indeed DUMB to call a site racist when it's OBVIOUS that it's not. I don't have to be black to understand that!
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There are lots of blacks and other ethnic people in this country. Are you going to tell me that there isn't racism in this country then, since there are "LOTS of" ethnic people around?

This is such a touchy subject for some people, and it should be discussed with respect and maturity. The only real purpose of this thread was to pose the question. I've never told anyone what to write. If any ethnic people had a positive experience on bear411, they're more than welcome to write about it. But don't say it's dumb when someone else says that they have had such a negative experience like that. It's insensitive.
 
Just thought I would post some new information.

Someone put this up in their blog so maybe it might be a good read.

Reprinted from a journal on livejournal.com


I am done with Bear411. And you should be too.

I have made this declaration before, but it turned out to be a much needed break. Greg has put the final nail in that coffin. Here are his offenses:

  • Sending me email support information in French. Granted, this is minor, but really...did I send you a support question in French?
  • Changing my profile without telling me. I'm a comic. It's what I do. I want to get the word out that I am performing at local clubs. In my profile, I put: "See me live at (some venue) on (this date) at (this time)." I got an IM from some random person that said, "What's with your profile?" I looked, and he had changed it to some message demanding: "If you want to post events, please use BearGuide.net". Are you kidding me? I am over his little rule about not selling services in your profile. I'm not selling a service, I'm telling the bear community where they can see me perform if they are interested. RIDICULOUS. Sure, you can argue that it's HIS SITE and it's HIS RULES, but I'm not abusing them. It's called flexibility and customer service. Use it.
  • Not allowing people onto the site because they don't fit his idea of a bear. All bears do not necessarily like other bears. All twinks do not like other twinks. I'm surprised some Asian chasers made it on to the site. I wonder if they had to purchase a Canadian Visa and had to show registration receipts for at least two bear runs to get in. Talk about discrimination. Then again, it's just a chat and hookup site, who am I to judge? I hope they get enough money so they sponsor a bear event, and enforce the same rules that he does on his site. Wanna come to Bear411 Fest? Great! (Offer not applicable to those I do not deem as a "bear".)
  • Not responding to support or inquiries about advertising. Not only did I send him a couple of chat messages, but I also emailed him about advertising on Bear411 for my DVD and CD. No reply. You don't want my money? Fine by me. I'll take my business elsewhere. Maybe I should have asked in French.
  • CENSORING CHAT MESSAGES. Are you fucking kidding me? I did a test yesterday. I had 14 messages waiting for me when I logged in. I replied to each one, and somewhere in the message, I wrote, "Did you join BearCiti.com yet?" No replies. As a second test, I wrote to a friend this morning as told him, "I am sending you a test message after you receive this message. Tell me if you get a second message from me." I wrote him again and tried it a few times. "Did you join BearCiti.com yet?" "Did you join B E A R C I T I dot com?" and "It's a site that starts with the word bear and ends with a word that rhymes with "Titty" and is spelled like the credit card prefix for a bank." No response to either of them. He told me he did not get them.

    I'm not putting up with this bullshit any longer. Greg can claim up and down all he wants that he has the bestest and brightest bear communication website in the whole bear world...he can have a big fucking parade up and down bearstreet that he is king of the mountain when it comes to bear chat sites, but I am convinced without a shadow of a doubt that he's a douche.

    A Bear's Life Magazine interviewed him in their first issue. I still laugh my ass off and quote this question for the interviewer on a regular basis: "Greg, you're an amazing man. Where do you go from here?" WHAT? An AMAZING MAN? For creating a bear chat site that looks awful, works even worse and is dictated by petty rules, censorship and discrimination within our own bear community? He didn't cure cancer, people. He made a website.

    Why do we stick with it? Because it's convenient? Because it was first? Because everyone else did it? I hear endless complaints from people both online and in person about how much people hate Bear411. Yet no one ever does anything about it. They chat on it all the time, and they still hate it. It's funny, Wal*Mart is convenient, but I don't shop there just because it's big and bright and shiny and bigger. If any other business in the gay community were to discriminate who shopped there, or if you went to a bar and you couldn't talk about another bar while in that bar, would you stick around and supprt that business? Not likely. So why do you as a person support his antics?

    I was told (while in Berlin) that a bar in Germany, ironically called "Bear", was owned by some douchewad who discriminated and treated his patrons terribly. If you walked in and you fit his definition of "hot" or a bear, you were welcomed with open arms. If you were too fat, too old or not bearish enough, he would either not let you in, or make harsh comments at you to make you feel unwelcome. Guess what? The bear community at large stopped supporting his bar and soon enough, he went out of business.

    I challenge everyone to leave Bear411 and join and utilize BearWWW, BearCiti, BearLix, BearWorld, BigMuscleBears or any other site that you can find the same dudes on to chat with or hook up with. I will no longer support Bear411 and will make every effort to get the word out that his antics and ways of running a community focused website are not acceptable any more.

    If anyone wants to chat with me, you can find me on BearCiti.com, (or AIM as bobaloorox, or yahoo msgr as bobaloorocks) Sure, you may complain about them too, but it's free, it's got cool features, it looks better, and has an open mind to what the bears want out of a chat site. At least they have a 'Questions? Comments?' link, and they respond to you. In English.
 
I can't stand bear411. It is the most frustrating site I have ever used. I use BMB even though I'm not that muscular. Nor, bearish for that matter. It is a better designed site.
 
Broke Straight Boys
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