Desperate Housewives - Season Five

[Spellbound]

I think its good news. As long as they don't do anymore long jumps in time, forward and especially backwards.

 

[steve621]

well, it sounds as if he doesn't want to kill Mike as much as kill Susan and MJ

 

[JesseNYC]

I used to love this show. I dont really know anymore. Season 1 and 3 were actually really good. The other not so much and this one just seems like its going down hill.

Does anyone else getted bugged that Catherine was like a Bree clone last season and this one she is like a Susan clone? How do you go from one extreme to the other?

 

[cruz555]

Well, it looks like I was right all along about Dave being the father and husband of the child and mother killed in the car accident Susan and Mike were in. I knew it.

I thought that was too obvious, so obvious that I figured they'd try something else... but they didn't. They could've done better with a 5 year jump. There were hardly any huge changes.

 

[Yeehaw]

No more episodes for the rest of the year, is it coming back in January?

 

[Spellbound]

Yeah, shows always take a Christmas break. I hate not having new episodes though, especially from DH.

 

[grantt]

Well, the gang returned last night and I thought it was rather dull. Bree met Andrew's BF's mother and I did not like the character at all. Susan went to a gay bar with the neighbor, but more could have been done with that. Carlos was "forced" into a job by Gabby and I think that has potential. The Scavo's story stays very dramatic, but with grandma in the loop, it could lighten up and be fun. Dave's gets darker and looks to rule the story for a few weeks.

 

[Spellbound]

I loved last nights episode. It was probably the funniest one yet this season.

The scene with Susan, Bob and Gaby in Susan's kitchen was fucking hilarious. And I would have loved to see Bree's reaction if Melena had blown her nose on her fancy tablecloth.
I'm also excited that Stella is back. I'm curious as to what happened between her and Lynette since they patched things up last season (five years ago.)

Dave's 'mystery' is kinda getting on my nerves though. The audience isn't getting any new info or clues, and I'm getting annoyed. And I hope that Roberta isn't gone for good.

I'm still excited for next week though.

 

[cAndId]

I thought that was the best episode in a while, very very funny.

I also hope Lily Tomlin is not off the show

 

[cruz555]

The scene with Gabby and Susan was hilarious. Susan's grown on me so much over the seasons. Everything else kinda sucked. Dave's storyline is predictable, Gabby's the same, the Scavos got really old, the're doing the "I want to move in with him but am I really over Mike?" thing with Susan yet again, and Bree's become dull.

Is anyone else uncomfortable watching Andrew's gay relationship? Bob and Lee are somewhat fine (mostly Bob) but all this talk about wedding and kids in the gay community like it's such an ordinary thing doesn't seem natural at all. Everything is way too smooth, like the only concern is which mother will see them more often. Please. DH is like... ahead of its time, which I'm not sure is a good thing or not. I just know that they could've made it more realistic. I wanted them to do something with Andrew, but I'm not really impressed this season.

 

[cruz555]

Oh, I'm not a big Bob and Lee fan at all. I think they're useless. That's why I was waiting for Andrew to bring the good gay stuff. I only mentioned Bob because he seems to be involved in more serious, non-gay stories now, like he's actually something beyond the comical gay relief. Lee's become less annoying, as well.

See, I don't think the way they portray Andrew's relationship makes them seem normal. On the contrary, it's like Marc Cherry is trying to force the idea down everyone's throat. Sorry, but it's not like when a straight man is in a serious relationship and you know their next steps are supposed to be marriage and children. It's not so light and predictable in the gay world. To me, this storyline seems way ahead of its time.

 

[cruz555]

I see where you're coming from. I just think we need something ahead of its time when it comes to gay issues. When I was younger (and even sometimes now) I would get very depressed seeing how gay relationships were portrayed on TV. It was always either a bunch of promiscuous men who seemed to have little love for anyone but themselves and hot pieces of ass, or gay men in long-term relationships that remained so stagnant and static that they seemed like roommates rather than lovers. I thought that's how all gay men were and I didn't want to turn out like that at all. I'd have been happy as hell to see something like Andrew's relationship on TV when I was younger. Something to remind me that not all gay are the same and have the same destiny of being single or in shaky relationships that could crumble at any time with nothing to lose.

Yeah, that's why I said I wasn't sure whether DH being ahead of its time was good or not. Good because it might brainwash some people into being more accepting, bad because it's cringe-worthy for me to watch how unrealistic it is. How can they bring up kids to the family as something totally minor and hardly have anyone surprised/curious/against it? I don't really believe in what they're trying to portray on a personal level, either. I guess I should save that for another thread though.

 

[jslvr05]

I personally like how far Andrew and Bree's relationship has traversed- going from a hostile relationship (or lack thereof) of jabbing remarks and petty glares to bonding and Bree virtually fighting for his attention (in comparison to his mother-in-law). I like it a lot.

 

[grantt]

The character of Andrew has truly grown, and when used in the storyline, is a real assett to the show. The actor who plays him is good (and cute).

 

[Spellbound]

Is anyone else uncomfortable watching Andrew's gay relationship? Bob and Lee are somewhat fine (mostly Bob) but all this talk about wedding and kids in the gay community like it's such an ordinary thing doesn't seem natural at all. Everything is way too smooth, like the only concern is which mother will see them more often. Please. DH is like... ahead of its time, which I'm not sure is a good thing or not.

Since the show now takes place five years from now, I'd say yeah it is ahead of its time.
Even if it wasn't five years ahead, I still don't see what the problem is. Why is showing a monogamous gay couple getting married a bad thing?

I don't understand why people seem to be so uncomfortable with the gay characters on this show.

 

[cruz555]

Since the show now takes place five years from now, I'd say yeah it is ahead of its time.
Even if it wasn't five years ahead, I still don't see what the problem is. Why is showing a monogamous gay couple getting married a bad thing?

I don't understand why people seem to be so uncomfortable with the gay characters on this show.

Because whether it's right or not, what they're portraying is not all that believeable. It's not like gay people can't get married and "have children" but DH is following so many straight world cliches, and try to spin them as something ordinary in the gay world. You'd think mentioning children would get more attention. Besides, you can tell DH is really trying to shove this *normal* relationship down our throat. I don't recall Andrew getting that much screen time back when his character kicked ass.

Also, are we forgetting that Bree is Christian? This has nothing to do with the 5 year jump, I never liked how one day she suddenly accepted him. All that because Justin said "I love him", right? I don't really remember. I just remember that somehow she told him it would be fine to invite Justin over and it was very anti-climatic.

And I think we both know very well that 5 years from now, many eyebrows will still be raised when a gay couple gets married and have kids.

 

[josher]

^^But gay people DO get married and have kids. All the time.

What world do you live in?

 

[Spellbound]

Because whether it's right or not, what they're portraying is not all that believeable. It's not like gay people can't get married and "have children" but DH is following so many straight world cliches, and try to spin them as something ordinary in the gay world. You'd think mentioning children would get more attention. Besides, you can tell DH is really trying to shove this *normal* relationship down our throat. I don't recall Andrew getting that much screen time back when his character kicked ass.
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And I think we both know very well that 5 years from now, many eyebrows will still be raised when a gay couple gets married and have kids.

What world are you living in? If you can't handle a young, monogamous, happy gay couple planning a life together on a TV show, then just don't watch and go back to your daisy chain.

 

[cruz555]

If you can't handle a young, monogamous, happy gay couple planning a life together...

Oh please. What world are you living in? Gay couples with kids are NOT an ordinary sight like a straight couple with kids, whether you like it or not. Are you seriously going to deny that? I never said it was impossible to "have kids", I said it's unusual/surprising at best. If you saw a couple with kids, even you wouldn't be indifferent to it. My point still stands. You're so defensive, like you're under the impression I'm tying to shatter your fantasy world or something. You don't see TalkinTotheRain getting all pissy over this...it's called a discussion.

I feel that a "straight world cliche" like marriage and children and lasting relationships (not open ones) are rather beautiful anomalies in the gay community.

See I do agree with you on some points, so I guess some of the plot could be less cringe-worthy to me with [much] better writing. It's like each week they're trying to make this gay couple more and more "wholesome". First time we even know they're a couple they already live together, next episode they're getting married, then they mention kids. It's like, give it a rest for a while... even straight couples don't go that fast.

And I'm glad to see that DH isn't shying away from this as most TV shows would.

Now for that I give DH credit, even if I don't buy what they're doing.

 

[mbamike]

Desperate Housewives is one of my must see shows on Sunday nights.