Heroes Season 3: Villians [merged]

[versatastic]

oh dear, im not even going to try to make sense of it all anymore. I just watch hoping for more shirtless sylar or peter.

 

[jcojax78]

Just when I thought it couldn't suck anymore...it does.

 

[cmizer]

oh dear, im not even going to try to make sense of it all anymore. I just watch hoping for more shirtless sylar or peter.

you mean people watch this for other reasons besides shirtless peter and sylar??

 

[Ekim23]

This season makes no sense at all... but keep watchin it too... i guess its just to see if get any better ...

i actually miss some of the season 2 character....

 

[JOHN B]

How did Arthur go into the past to steal Hiro's powers BEFORE taking his powers. If you say he got them from Peter, then why did he not go into the past and stop his wife from poisoning him?

 

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How did Arthur go into the past to steal Hiro's powers BEFORE taking his powers. If you say he got them from Peter, then why did he not go into the past and stop his wife from poisoning him?

stop asking logical questions lol

 

[Gengar7s]

How did Arthur go into the past to steal Hiro's powers BEFORE taking his powers. If you say he got them from Peter, then why did he not go into the past and stop his wife from poisoning him?

Because the Haitian was still there. The moment he arrived he would be powerless

 

[zingerz]

okay, i caught up with the past 6 episodes online, and boy am i glad i didn't watch these week after week. i mean fire the producers all you want, but apparently they still move at snail speed, but they did change one thing for the better and that is focusing on the main charactors from season1 yay. but what im confused about in the last episode was how did arthur know to go to that specific time and get the 'light' from hiro at that moment time? i mean if he knew where it was the whole time; assuming he used his drawing fortune telling ability why didn't he just, like, steal it from hiro's mom when she first got it, or right before hiro got it...

 

[Ohiospeedo]

Ok. What happened at the end of the last episode? TIVO got cut off again. Can't the network make sure that the schedule is right, and fit the show into the alloted time?

 

[JOHN B]

My favorite "UUhhm...excuse me?!" moment was from a week or two ago when one moment Matt is in Kansas or wherever with Miss Speedy....and the next moment he is in New York with Hiro. All during a time that the did NOT have their powers. Plus, how did he even know where Hiro was? So Matt just HAPPENED to walk into a comic book shop and, Bingo!, there was Hiro.

 

[Corny]

my wtf moment this week was where hiro hears/sees hi mother and is like "omg i need to talk to her" and claire is "now what do i do?" oh RIGHT suddenly i am at my mothers house.
yeah sure, hiro could have teleported her, but that was not mentioned at all and hiro was just having eyes for his mother

 

[RobinGoodfellow]

1) Hiro didn't lose his powers until they were in Kansas. Even Matt was still able to scan until he reached her father's place (he used his scanning ability to determine that she was in the house).

2) Matt was a policeman until just recently. He knows that Hiro has a 10-year-old mentality, and that Ando is trying to jog HIro's memories of his powers. Let's see: 10 year old, discussing super-powers. Where would you have looked?

3) It's sort of been established that Claire's home is within easy driving distance of her father's work (it sort of explains how her father keeps popping up between the two locations, if nothing else). So Hiro's powers wouldn't exactly be needed.

4) Arthur was on a quest to find the catalyst. He needed an optimal time to take it, which would have been when it wasn't guarded. All he had to do was use his prescience to determine when it wasn't guarded by Hiro's father (so as to maintain him as a contact, which killilng Hiro's father's wife would be seen as a bad thing), and when Hiro was alone. He just pops up then, and takes the catalyst.

The writing is more streamlined, and you have the two most powerful characters (Hiro and Peter) out of the action, with Sylar back to his old tricks. Although Hiro yet again managed to cheat death, he is out the action for now. It'll be interesting to see what happens next...

RG

 

[JOHN B]

^ I guess if one is a real fan of the show, one will make excuses for anything.....

First season was great......since then it's been all downhill.

 

[RobinGoodfellow]

^ I guess if one is a real fan of the show, one will make excuses for anything.....

Er....huh? If you're not into the show, why post here? I'm all for legitimate critique, but if you're just looking for reasons to dislike the show then watch something else. No one is forcing you to watch a show you obviously don't like. When it hits the point that you're ignoring basic details (like if Matt had his powers, why would Hiro not have his?), it's just time to move on.

First season was great......since then it's been all downhill.

I agree that the second season sort of sucked (Sylar's road trip has got to be the silliest thing ever), and that they were throwing a lot of stuff out there at the beginning of this season, and I still don't buy Mohinder's psychosis, but otherwise it's starting to shape up to be an interesting season. It's starting to shape up...

RG

 

[aijalon18]

Just because you like a show doesnt mean you have to defend all their bullshit. You need to call people to task so they make things better. It is an insult to fans and tv viewers to lazily throw together what started out as an interesting story. There is NO explanation for Arthur Petrelli's nonsense. And it's 3rd season Sylar is doing the same stupid thing. He tracks down people, kills them, and takes their powers. First it was established that he had no powers, now his power is learning how powers work so they he can have them, now he's killing people again to take powers. Writers and producers owe it to fans to make some actual fuckin sense.

 

[JOHN B]

I guess I keep watching the show waiting for it to get better. Last month the producers (writers?) were fired, and new ones hired.....so it has to improve some time.

 

[RobinGoodfellow]

Just because you like a show doesnt mean you have to defend all their bullshit.

Not necessarily defending them; it's just that the "WTF?" moments weren't that hard to figure out if you were actually bothering to watch the show (prescient/teleporting character showing up at the right moment isn't that hard to figure out). At the same time, any decent fan of the show is going to get annoyed at his favorite show being slammed just to slam it. So expect some defense of the show.

There is NO explanation for Arthur Petrelli's nonsense.

Keep in mind that there some people who like the guy. It's been sort of fun seeing a villain who cold actually nail Peter and Hiro, as well as giving The Haitian pause. Better yet, that he thinks that he's in the right just makes him creepier. It's going to be interesting to see how they eventually kill him, or at least take him down.

And it's 3rd season Sylar is doing the same stupid thing. He tracks down people, kills them, and takes their powers.

Yeah, I definitely agree here. I thought it was interesting to see him actually starting to feel guilty for what he did. I appreciate that he's the nastiest of the nastiest, but I was hoping that there would be an actual redemption arc. That, and I was really starting to like Elle.

First it was established that he had no powers, now his power is learning how powers work so they he can have them, now he's killing people again to take powers.

Er...You did watch the first season, right? Where it was explained that Sylar needed to look at people's brains in order to figure out how their powers worked? SOrt of like how he was able to keep all of those watches working?

Writers and producers owe it to fans to make some actual fuckin sense.

In other words, you want something nice and simple for you. I love how people point out that that TV is getting to simple, and then you hit them with something that requires some actually thinking, and all of a sudden it's too complicated for them. There have been some missteps, but overall I think that they're doing okay....

RG

 

[lurker]

Season 3 started with so much promise, but when new ideas were brought up they were immediately shot down. Like the most glaring example: WTH was the point of Sylar this season? I thought they were going somewhere with the whole "Petrelli's son" thing and the whole "I'm a good guy now" thing, but now he really isn't, has gone back to his murderous ways, and has killed Elle.

Thank goodness Bryan Fuller is back to writing for Heroes. He'll help bring this show back to its roots.

The only real good thing I like about season 3 is that it made Peter powerless. Without his powers, his stupidity is easier to forgive, and his empathetic nature is much more visible. I also like how Nathan is finally doing something and is back to the "evil politician" role for the next volume.

 

[Supernature]

In other words, you want something nice and simple for you. I love how people point out that that TV is getting to simple, and then you hit them with something that requires some actually thinking, and all of a sudden it's too complicated for them. There have been some missteps, but overall I think that they're doing okay....

RG

To be fair, I think there's a difference between a nuanced, oblique, and multi-layered approach (that keeps the view guessing) to storytelling and the muddled self-contradictions and eggregious examples of Plot Induced Stupidity we've been seeing the past two seasons. Instead of a labyrinthine and well thought out plot coming to light, one gets the sense they are making this up as they go along. Sure this is a fantasy about people who teleport and shoot lightning out of their hands, but even superhero stories need a modicum of internal logic to keep the integrity of the narrative. The most successful comicbooks accomplish this. There is a reason two of the principals (Jeff Loeb, being one of them) were fired from the creative team of Heroes recently.

Regardless, if you are enjoying the show as it is then that's cool. But others, and particularly fans of the show, are entitled to their complaints.

 

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To be fair, I think there's a difference between a nuanced, oblique, and multi-layered approach (that keeps the view guessing) to storytelling and the muddled self-contradictions and eggregious examples of Plot Induced Stupidity we've been seeing the past two seasons. Instead of a labyrinthine and well thought out plot coming to light, one gets the sense they are making this up as they go along. Sure this is a fantasy about people who teleport and shoot lightning out of their hands, but even superhero stories need a modicum of internal logic to keep the integrity of the narrative. The most successful comicbooks accomplish this. There is a reason two of the principals (Jeff Loeb, being one of them) were fired from the creative team of Heroes recently.

Regardless, if you are enjoying the show as it is then that's cool. But others, and particularly fans of the show, are entitled to their complaints.

i think that is what is wrong with a lot of the characters....they make them so powerful and give them numerous abilities.....it seems that they forget which ones they have when they write for an episode....and them jumping from past to future and not sticking to the present is not helping either