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Everyone's least favorite TV News personality, Bill O'Reilly has a column out today. Good read IMO. While I loathe the way he presents his arguments and his bullying tactics, I find his common sense approach on some issues is right on. Most of you I'm sure cannot stand to listen to him speak or read what he writes - too bad - cause there's much much worse than him out there.

He defines a "hyperpartisan" as someone who does not seek the truth - rather he/she tailors info to fit a preconceived political viewpoint. They are ideological zombies. Thus, a liberal hyperpartisan thinks Pres. Bush is ALWAYS wrong. He can do NO right. A right wing hyperpartisan believes Bill Clinton and his wife are evil.

Do you know any hyperpartisans? Do you know any who aren't? LOL

Now if you don't read this because you hate Bill O'Reilly, then you are proving his point and you are a hyperpartisan.

Good read I think - let me know what you think.


The Attack of the Hyper-Partisanshttp://www.billoreilly.com/site/Ref...mailType=clip&pid=20415&said=null&satype=nullhttp://www.billoreilly.com/site/pro...Friendly=true&pid=20415&said=null&satype=nullBy: Bill O'Reilly for BillOReilly.com
Thursday, Sep 21, 2006
http://www.billoreilly.com/site/rd?...t.com/NYF/go/bllrlesb0130000018nyf/direct/01/Are you a hyper-partisan? If so, stop it right now. These people are damaging America and I'm calling them out.

First, a definition: A hyper-partisan is a person who does not seek the truth; rather, he or she tailors information to fit a preconceived political viewpoint. What is actually happening in the world is not important to these ideological zombies; it's all about reinforcing their core beliefs.

Thus, no matter what President Bush does for example, he's wrong. There is absolutely nothing the man can do that would please the hyper-partisans who oppose him. On the opposite ideological page, Bill and Hillary Clinton are Satan's spawn. They are evil all day, every day.

How boring is this? If it were just a few Kool-Aid drinking nuts, no one would care. But now you have entire media outlets that have gone hyper-partisan. Newspapers like The Boston Globe and The Atlanta Journal-Constitution are just about entirely left wing. Yes, their circulations are in a freefall, but no journalistic enterprise should be hyper-partisan.

The infotainment industry and the internet are also full of hyper-partisans because, unlike newspapers, you can make money with that approach, at least in conservative circles. The Air America radio network, on the left, tried to imitate the conservative template but failed. That's because while the right generally cheerleads for America, the far-left fanatics often despise their country and few want to hear that kind of vitriol.

Actor Sean Penn is a hyper-partisan. Last week on the Larry King program, Penn, as usual, was hammering the Bush administration when King actually challenged him by asking what was wrong with trying to spread democracy in the Middle East.

Penn replied the Bush administration doesn't even promote democracy in the USA. I thought that was a riot. Here's Penn ripping those in power on national TV and, at the same time, complaining there's not enough freedom here. If he tried that in Iran, his tongue would be in a museum.

Tom DeLay is a hyper-partisan. Republicans good, Democrats bad. Life simply cannot be that simple, can it? But for the hyper-partisans it is. Nothing stands in the way of their belief system. Not facts, not provable truth.

To be honest, I believe there are more hyper-partisans on the left. Many conservatives are actually angry with the Bush administration over the unsecured southern border, enormous government spending, and the stalemate in Iraq. That's why the President's poll numbers remain low. Some on the right who were behind him now have doubts about his stewardship. I don't see much independent thinking on the left.

It is hard to imagine Rosie O'Donnell, for example, becoming disenchanted with the liberal agenda, no matter what. Somehow, I don't think Nancy Pelosi is going to reevaluate "taxing the rich," even if the country descended into a deep recession after more "progressive" tax laws were enacted. However, I could be wrong. And since I'm not a hyper-partisan, I can say that.

So let's start mocking all these hyper-partisans and begin to encourage critical thinking in America. It's much more interesting and it's far better for the country, because an acceptance of fact-based reality is crucial to solving problems.

And if you still don't believe me, imagine being stranded on a desert island with Howard Dean or Michael Savage. I'd hit the ocean. You'd get a fairer shake from the sharks.
 
He mentioned Dean, which is the chair of the DNC. Is Dean worse than Mehlman or whoever it is that heads the RNC?

Going by his definition of hyperpartisan, then I can agree with him. Of course, if you drop the prefix "hyper-" I would still agree that it is destroying America---O'Reilly thus included.

Thanks for sharing, chance.

While Mehlman does look goofy on TV, I find his style much less grating than Howard Dean - my opinion. I think Mehlman does a better job of coming off as a reasonable person. He doesn't call anyone names, he doesn't get overheated.

Dean, on the other hand, has made a career out of over the top statements and behavior.

Funny, I found Dean during the Pres primaries to be interesting, smart and principled. Once he became the "it" candidate it went all downhill.

Not sure why he got put in his current job. He's too divisive.
 
just curious chance...you said to me before that you are a democrat...honestly tho...you're a democrat the same way mayor bloomberg of N.Y.C. is a republican...in name only, right? there are liberal republicans and conservative democrats but i've never heard you defend or spout one liberal philosophy and yet you do nothing but defend right-wingers. vanman and others have no problem saying what they are so why don't you too???
 
I must be a hyperpartisan. I can not find one issue, maybe other than immigration, that I agree with Bush. While we mourn our brave troops that have lost their lives in Iraq, I don't see the outrage about the recently released figure by the defense department that appox. 40,000 Iraq citizens have lost their lives in this "war" on terrorism. Are their lives not as sacred as ours? Over the last two months alone, 6000 Iraq citizens have been killed. When history looks back at this mess, Bush will be viewed as the most partisan and divisive President in history.
 
Everyone's least favorite TV News personality, Bill O'Reilly has a column out today. Good read IMO. While I loathe the way he presents his arguments and his bullying tactics, I find his common sense approach on some issues is right on. Most of you I'm sure cannot stand to listen to him speak or read what he writes - too bad - cause there's much much worse than him out there.

He defines a "hyperpartisan" as someone who does not seek the truth - rather he/she tailors info to fit a preconceived political viewpoint. They are ideological zombies. Thus, a liberal hyperpartisan thinks Pres. Bush is ALWAYS wrong. He can do NO right. A right wing hyperpartisan believes Bill Clinton and his wife are evil.

Do you know any hyperpartisans? Do you know any who aren't? LOL

Now if you don't read this because you hate Bill O'Reilly, then you are proving his point and you are a hyperpartisan.

Good read I think - let me know what you think.


The Attack of the Hyper-PartisansBy: Bill O'Reilly for BillOReilly.com
Thursday, Sep 21, 2006Are you a hyper-partisan? If so, stop it right now. These people are damaging America and I'm calling them out.

First, a definition: A hyper-partisan is a person who does not seek the truth; rather, he or she tailors information to fit a preconceived political viewpoint. What is actually happening in the world is not important to these ideological zombies; it's all about reinforcing their core beliefs.

Thus, no matter what President Bush does for example, he's wrong. There is absolutely nothing the man can do that would please the hyper-partisans who oppose him. On the opposite ideological page, Bill and Hillary Clinton are Satan's spawn. They are evil all day, every day.

How boring is this? If it were just a few Kool-Aid drinking nuts, no one would care. But now you have entire media outlets that have gone hyper-partisan. Newspapers like The Boston Globe and The Atlanta Journal-Constitution are just about entirely left wing. Yes, their circulations are in a freefall, but no journalistic enterprise should be hyper-partisan.

The infotainment industry and the internet are also full of hyper-partisans because, unlike newspapers, you can make money with that approach, at least in conservative circles. The Air America radio network, on the left, tried to imitate the conservative template but failed. That's because while the right generally cheerleads for America, the far-left fanatics often despise their country and few want to hear that kind of vitriol.

Actor Sean Penn is a hyper-partisan. Last week on the Larry King program, Penn, as usual, was hammering the Bush administration when King actually challenged him by asking what was wrong with trying to spread democracy in the Middle East.

Penn replied the Bush administration doesn't even promote democracy in the USA. I thought that was a riot. Here's Penn ripping those in power on national TV and, at the same time, complaining there's not enough freedom here. If he tried that in Iran, his tongue would be in a museum.

Tom DeLay is a hyper-partisan. Republicans good, Democrats bad. Life simply cannot be that simple, can it? But for the hyper-partisans it is. Nothing stands in the way of their belief system. Not facts, not provable truth.

To be honest, I believe there are more hyper-partisans on the left. Many conservatives are actually angry with the Bush administration over the unsecured southern border, enormous government spending, and the stalemate in Iraq. That's why the President's poll numbers remain low. Some on the right who were behind him now have doubts about his stewardship. I don't see much independent thinking on the left.

It is hard to imagine Rosie O'Donnell, for example, becoming disenchanted with the liberal agenda, no matter what. Somehow, I don't think Nancy Pelosi is going to reevaluate "taxing the rich," even if the country descended into a deep recession after more "progressive" tax laws were enacted. However, I could be wrong. And since I'm not a hyper-partisan, I can say that.

So let's start mocking all these hyper-partisans and begin to encourage critical thinking in America. It's much more interesting and it's far better for the country, because an acceptance of fact-based reality is crucial to solving problems.

And if you still don't believe me, imagine being stranded on a desert island with Howard Dean or Michael Savage. I'd hit the ocean. You'd get a fairer shake from the sharks.

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Bill O'Reilly meet mirror!


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Mirror meet Bill O'Reilly:

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just curious chance...you said to me before that you are a democrat...honestly tho...you're a democrat the same way mayor bloomberg of N.Y.C. is a republican...in name only, right? there are liberal republicans and conservative democrats but i've never heard you defend or spout one liberal philosophy and yet you do nothing but defend right-wingers. vanman and others have no problem saying what they are so why don't you too???

Fair question James - here's my story

Grew up in NYC - registered as a Dem cause all the real action is in Dem primaries. Republican primaries don't mean a thing. I have voted pretty much 50/50 over the years. If you need a label I would say socially Democrat, fiscally Republican (or what the Repubs used to be on fiscal policy)

Another thing - this board is rife with liberal extremists who are way over the top and instead of making their points, they attack the admin and anyone who dares to think differently. I find this terribly ironic. I could list a slew of ironies but I'll spare you.

I think if you read my posts - you'll find - that I am reasonable in my positions - but not reasonable when it comes to individuals on the board who attack others including me

James - your positions for the most part I disagree with - some I do. But I respect your rights to post what you think and you provide some humor as well. If someone gets nasty you go after them - but you don't start it

Hope this helps
 
Centex - does that officially count as a post?


Is your first picture of Bill him sizing you up?
 
Alight I admit it

I'm Alfie's twin brother - Republican brother that is

there - you made me admit it
 
kinda a good answer... but the question i always ask the vanman types of this forum and what they never dare answer is...how can you bring yourself to vote for repubs when (1) the official stance of their party is you are less than a full human being...their bread and butter is attacking people like you and me...and also, i was an economics major (a lotta good that did me) so i understand fiscal conservatism...but (2) how can anyone say with a straight face that the republicans are fiscally conservative after their unprecedented spending of the last 5 years...even if you take out the war on terror, they still grew government to a size FDR would have been shocked at. so how are they fiscally conservative?? because they attack the poor? and if that's the case (3) is that what modern fiscal conservatism is...cut programs for the poor while increasing corporate welfare and any and all bloated military spending. how is this something someone like you who seems like a moral person support? a lot of the repubs here are obvious heartless jerks but you don't come off that way, so how can u support this white elephant of a party??...
 
kinda a good answer... but the question i always ask the vanman types of this forum and what they never dare answer is...how can you bring yourself to vote for repubs when (1) the official stance of their party is you are less than a full human being...their bread and butter is attacking people like you and me...and also, i was an economics major (a lotta good that did me) so i understand fiscal conservatism...but (2) how can anyone say with a straight face that the republicans are fiscally conservative after their FDR like spending of the last 5 years...even if you take out the war on terror, they still grew government to a size FDR would have been shocked at. so how are they fiscally conservative?? because they attack the poor? and if that's the case (3) is that what modern fiscal conservatism is...cut programs for the poor while increasing corporate welfare and any and all bloated military spending. how is this something someone like you who seems like a moral person support? a lot of the repubs here are obvious heartless jerks but you don't come off that way, so how can u support this white elephant of a party??...

I think we are hijacking - but WTF

1 - Repubs in NY are not like that. And less and less Repubs are like that. And honestly I partially blame extremist Dems for scaring middle America on issues such as gay marriage

2 - I caveated my fiscal remark. I'm not for high taxes or socialized medicine

3 - I don't support the Republican party - I look at each issue and make up my own mind. I work hard for my money - give money to charity - but not anxious to give it away on all liberal programs - would rather choose where I donate - diabetes foundation - local church - boys and girls clubs of america

Bottom line James - is I don't follow either party's "doctrine". But because this board is so extreme one way, it just seems like I'm Republican or Conservative or whatever.

Plus I have to say that IMO, most visible liberal Dems scream their position - they don't debate (with exceptions). Hard to listen to the screaming
 
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Bill O'Reilly meet mirror!


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Mirror meet Bill O'Reilly:

joe-oreillymad.jpg


:rotflmao:

EXCELLENT! I'd also like to add another one --

Bill "Pot" O'Reilly meet kettle 'hyperpartisans'... :p

The shamelessness of these blatant, rabid, hypocrites would be funny, were it not so frightening...
 
Sorry to go back on topic, but if one is seeking the truth, Bill O'Reilly would seem to be an odd place to start. Party leadership and Party Chairman get paid to advocate for their party, it is their job. Dean was elected by the party chairpersons to his position, same with Mehlmouth.

As for Penn's remarks, freedom is not relative, we do not measure it against what other countries do.

"The right cheerleads for America, while the far-left fanatics often despise their country" and you say Bill is not hyper partisan? The irony here is that Bill might even believe this bullshit just like he believes Al Queda is targeting him.

One of the problems that normal moderate people have with this administration is that there is so little to compliment them for. What good have they done? Whose life has improved? What are their accomplishments?
 
Sorry to go back on topic, but if one is seeking the truth, Bill O'Reilly would seem to be an odd place to start. Party leadership and Party Chairman get paid to advocate for their party, it is their job. Dean was elected by the party chairpersons to his position, same with Mehlmouth.

As for Penn's remarks, freedom is not relative, we do not measure it against what other countries do.

"The right cheerleads for America, while the far-left fanatics often despise their country" and you say Bill is not hyper partisan? The irony here is that Bill might even believe this bullshit just like he believes Al Queda is targeting him.

One of the problems that normal moderate people have with this administration is that there is so little to compliment them for. What good have they done? Whose life has improved? What are their accomplishments?

I don't think anyone said O'Reilly is one way or the other - it's a column - to evaluate the merits

Is it the govt's job to improve your life - what responsibility is yours.

5 years after 911 there have been no attacks on US soil yet hyperpartisans (Bill's phrase) suggest Bush has done nothing to protect them - a perfect example of hyperpartisanship. Extremists cannot bring themselves to suggest or admit that ZERO attacks in 5 years is a "success"

IMAN - can you admit that 5 years w/o attack on US soil is a success? that Bush has done a good job here? You (not you) blame him for ALL the world's ills - can you not at least give him credit for this?
 
IMAN - can you admit that 5 years w/o attack on US soil is a success? that Bush has done a good job here? You (not you) blame him for ALL the world's ills - can you not at least give him credit for this?

I don't have a problem giving the administration in office credit for the absence of attacks and I would not necessarily have blamed them had there been an attack. But, how much credit is due? After 9/11 any President would have marshalled the nations resources to prevent further attacks, that is a basic expectation. There also seems to be an absence of attempts to attack the country. The several attempts that we have seen have been prevented by alert Border Security agents, alert airplane passengers, and the British MI5.

The lack of attacks on US soil is a good thing, but as an accomplishment I don't give it any more weight than I give to the attempts to blame Clinton, Reagan or daddy Bush for the attacks experienced during their administrations.
If the Eagles don't beat the 49ers tomorrow I might blow something up myself.
 
chance1 said:
tired out from all the "hyperpartisanship" Homo?

Not 'tired' so much as bored of the same, rehashed rhetoric.

If anything makes me tired, it's watching idiots make excuses for why torture isn't such a bad thing... no one this board, of course...
 
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