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Leather is Dead Skin

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Effortless_Pro said:
I think their thinking is... Tigers don't use Gazeles' fur for blankets and coats.

But then if you think about it they'd be even MORE fabulous.
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That's what I call a gay environmentalist!

The PETA fucktards are on the level of Phelps and his cronies, except they extort more money than Fred and his minions.

I find it amusing that the #2 person at PETA is diabetic and kept alive by technology which includes animal-derived products. Amazing that she can justify that...
 
^^^of course! I doubt they have any idea exactly how many of our consumables actually contain some form of animal bi-product.

there was actually a protest in my city when I was in college, my medi tutor led it, about alternatives to eating meat and using animals products, and right at the front on her soap box preaching/screeching away was my media tutor.........in a nice new pair of leather boots.

how many members of PETA do you reckon are bare foot vegans?
 
i'm truly shocked and disgusted reading some of these replies

when discussing such matters as life and death
please do so with the necessary mindfulness
be sensible about such matters
if it were your life on the line
you'd appreciate it too ^_-

the truth about this matter is
we simply don't need any animal products
we are not lions, nor tigers
and unlike them, we do have a choice ^_-

to kill or not to kill, that is the question
though the answer's pretty obvious isn't it?
 
My dad's first job was slaughtering chickens and other animals.


I grew up with him doing it ocassionally, and since his family is from the country, I witnessed a lot of it. It never bothered me a bit.
I think this please don't kill the cute little animals is the ultimate alienation from nature that some people have developed.
We HAVE to kill animals, if not the cute sheeps and chicks, the not so cute insects and birds that would eat the veggies that you love to eat so much!

And even organic food requires the killing of animals.

I am not a fan of factory farming, but I will not act like killing animals is in the same level as killing people.
 
some animals are bred specifically for slaughter, they know no other life, so to them it is no great hardship to be contained and then slaughtered.

and actually, YES we do need cerain animal products, we are CARNIVORES for heaven sakes! deny it all you want, doesnt change the fact we are a species that evolved to eat meat.
there are fats, sugars and proteins in meat that are necessary for us to function properly, it is difficult to find substitutes for these in vegetables, unless you take minerals.

and WHAT would we do with all the animals if they werent eaten? let them roam free round the cities? they would out-number us pretty damn quick.

my best friend is a vegetarian, I love her to death and dont begrudge her for her decision to be a vegetarian, and she does not judge ME for my decision to be a carnivore, it works out just fine :)

by all means make your choice, have your reasons! but DO NOT accuse those of us who eat meat or wear leather, or use cosmetics with animal products, of being murders!
 
Humans have consumed meat for thousands of years. Now all of a sudden it's wrong? I enjoy meat. The animal has to be killed to get the meat. Killing involves some pain and suffering on the animals part. As long as the animals are killed quick and not tortured, I'm fine with it. I do think it's heathier to limit meat consumption and eat more fruits and vegetables.
 
I've bottle-raised cows from birth to grazing.

I've had dogs for 20 years.

I cook burgers at least once a week. 100 percent beef.

Nothing wrong with a nice piece of meat...:D
 
eddielee said:
Humans have consumed meat for thousands of years. Now all of a sudden it's wrong? I enjoy meat. The animal has to be killed to get the meat. Killing involves some pain and suffering on the animals part. As long as the animals are killed quick and not tortured, I'm fine with it. I do think it's heathier to limit meat consumption and eat more fruits and vegetables.
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agreed! limit consumption, but not cease all together
 
lyconthrope said:
some animals are bred specifically for slaughter, they know no other life, so to them it is no great hardship to be contained and then slaughtered.
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lyconthrope said:
and actually, YES we do need cerain animal products, we are CARNIVORES for heaven sakes! deny it all you want, doesnt change the fact we are a species that evolved to eat meat.
there are fats, sugars and proteins in meat that are necessary for us to function properly, it is difficult to find substitutes for these in vegetables, unless you take minerals.
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i believe the word you're looking for is omnivores
humans, both through our developed mind and through our bodies,
are capable of choosing between meat and/or plant based nutrients
all we need for our body to be healthy can perfectly be derived from plants
why some people deny this fact and would rather kill an animal for their food,
is difficult for me to understand.
millions of people lead a vegetarian/vegan lifestyle, i am one of them,
sow there's plenty of living proof of what i'm saying ^_-

it's also a very unique something, our human mind
we are about the only species on this planet that is capable of choosing it's food,
a beautiful opportunity don't you think?
why kill when there no longer is a need to?
go to your supermarket, it's stocked full with things you can use to make up a balanced and healthy diet, free of animal products, there's plenty of choice for someone living in your average "developed" country,
becoming vegetarian or vegan isn't difficult at all ^_^
sow both the physical resources as the information to put those resources to good use is available, all beautiful opportunities to improve our way of life.
evolution is a process, and through the present, we can transcend our past ^_^

lyconthrope said:
and WHAT would we do with all the animals if they werent eaten? let them roam free round the cities? they would out-number us pretty damn quick.
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now now, i may be idealistic but i wasn't born yesterday, it's not gonna happen that everyone turns vegan overnight, then there would indeed be such a problem, but that won't exactly happen, everyday, people are becoming more and more aware of the unnecessary suffering we put these animals through, as the number of vegan people continues to grow, the cattle stock will gradually decrease, that's quite logical yes?
oww.. and.. they already out-number us,
over 55 billion animals per year are being killed,
a frightening number, enough to make anyone shiver.
eddielee said:
Humans have consumed meat for thousands of years. Now all of a sudden it's wrong? I enjoy meat. The animal has to be killed to get the meat. Killing involves some pain and suffering on the animals part. As long as the animals are killed quick and not tortured, I'm fine with it. I do think it's healthier to limit meat consumption and eat more fruits and vegetables.
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there are many harmful practices we have done throughout our history,
and we have and will continue to overcome such things,
for example, there has always been war, since the beginning of man,
we have fought each other, but does that mean we should keep on the doing it for old time's sake? :confused:
there's always room to improve ourselves when this becomes possible ^_-
the knowledge for a cruelty-free lifestyle is available, it's our responsibility to put it to use ..|

 
ok, your not listening to me.

you know what I hear when people start preaching at me like that? "blah blah blah, I am right, your wrong, I will not accept the fact that you are simply differant and leave you be blah blah"

I know that it is possible for people to live as vegetarians and vegans.....my best friend is ALSO proof of that, read back on my post, you'll see i said this

you will ALSO see that I said it isnt simply the eating of meat and wearing of leather that involves animal products, they are used for a great deal, its not like they go to waste.

I have already said that I understand peoples reasons, and I ACCEPT them, I dont ask YOU to change to suit the way that I think.....so how dare you tell ME to change to suit the way that you think

oh and FYI.
I am an environmental conservationist :) I know how animals are treated and kept, how and where they are bred, what uses they have etc.....

and I STILL choose not to be a vegetarian
 
^ i don't think in terms of you vs. me
i'm simply offering some arguments :p
nothing more ^_-
if everyone would simply 'accept and leave be'
these forums would be pretty empty lol

to the meat eaters of this forum;
ask yourself this - what positive change does meat eating bring to this world?
does it contribute anything that is so valuable we couldn't possibly give it up?

- it, in general, has a negative impact on your health
- animals are killed for it en masse
- it has a negative impact on the environment and global warming

life in this universe is such a beautiful and rare thing,
let us treasure it ^_^
 
I didnt mean you and me personally, merely a general term.

and yes if we all just "accept and leave be" this place would be pretty empty........but vegetarinism and gay issues are very very differant!

I tried going vegetarian once, it impacted me personally in a negative way, everyones body is differant.

congratulations! you can live happily as a vegetarian/vegan....I choose not to.

let it go
 
hhmmm interesting, people have done studies to prove that some animals are NOT sentient, and there for they feel no pain, loss, etc....
and now you say they are?

what about plants? they are living, how do you know they arent sentient? just beause they make no noise or dont look like other "sentient" beings on this earth?
they are still alive, they breed and multi-ply, some of them even move around
 
it's surprising how much your average omnivore cares for what plants have to say about it,
when they can't even be bothered by more developed lifeforms such as cows
who are like us in so many ways ;)
 
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