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On-Topic Mondays Final Debate

Jack Springer said:
similar thoughts -- Obama came over as nasty from the get-go.

People have heard all the words by know -- most aren't listening -- body language is important. Obama failed on that.

I doubt if Obama unclenched his butt cheeks the entire 90 minutes.

I doubt if most people like an angry, uptight boss -- I know I don't.
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I am almost speechless at the temerity of saying that after last debate Romney literally BARKED at Obama TWICE like an angry parent disciplining a kid that just broke something O.o
 
Romney was average at best...not a major fail, but Obama was superb. I really thought he was clear and crisp...fluent and comfortable...steady and thoughtful. He made Romney seem small even though Romney technically did very little wrong and spent much of the night agreeing with Obama.

I was surprised to see the CNN poll so close; CBS has a far wider gap...I believe it was 30 points.

I typically like the moderator. He did an okay job but I would have enjoyed some questions outside of the middle east. Seemed like Obama and Romney kept hitting the same talking points because we stayed in the same region.

My grades: Obama: A ; Romney: C
 
chance1 said:
JH - people don't like nasty

life in america is not ce+p

it was funny - if your goal is to attack and be an asshole

it's not presidential

seems like u just want a "fuck u" moment

but most people not so much
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Correcting a compulsive liar when he's waded in with a big one is definitely presidential -- unless you want a president that will let anyone get away with anything and just be nice.

There's a time to stop being nice.
 
Stomping? Please....you guys better take off those rose colored Obama glasses. Obama did okay but then again he was hardly presidential. Snarky,yes.....rude, certainly.... boorish, without doubt. Presidential, however...not at all. Romney succedded in doing what he had to do, which is to be in control and suitably presidential and was that as well. Obama being engaged and showing himself more on the offense obviously he can't be called technically a loser. He was unable however to knock Romney off stride in terms of presenting himself as a credible commander in chief, while losing lots of points on class and decorum. The great uniter he was not. Don't think the polls will show overall that big a margin of victory for Obama, and Obama needed a clear knockdown blow to ensure his reelection. Obama may still win but it will be razor close...House stays Republican, Senate holds for the Democratic Party.


I am a Democrat by the way, at least a Blue Dog type. Live in New Jersey which will go solidly for Obama. Not voting for Obama but not Romney,either. Will be voting for Gary Johnson (Libertarian) though I do have some disagreements... of anyone running he has by far the most accomplishment and many of his views deserve a hearing at the least. The Obama who showed up tonight turned me off and his unpresidential style will not play well. Plays great with his fans here, but it's not seriously suited for the office he currently holds.
 
Benvolio said:
You are all missing the forest for the trees. This election will not turn on Obama's smartelecky quips. Romney looked Presidential and not the war monger the Dems have tried to make him out to be. No big difference between the two on foreign policy, so we can put it aside and get down to the serious economic differences that people are worried about. Romney's movement upward will continue.
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You hands must be cramping from all that straw-grasping.

This .gif pretty much shows what Obama did to Mitt:

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chance1 said:
romney would be a very good president - it's clear he's up to the job - that's not an issue anymore
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Which Romney? The one who thinks lying is a good way to deal with Americans? The one who insults allies when he travels? The one who goes to Israel and ignores the people but holds fundraisers? The one who saved an Olympics by sucking off federal money? The one who sat there and claimed he never said to just let the auto industry go while I and probably a lot of others were looking at the article where he said exactly that?

Which?
 
What was remarkable to me about this debate was Romney's pivot to most of Obama's positions.

Romney now agrees with the president on foreign policy. He agrees with the 2014 withdrawal from Afghanistan. He agrees with sanctions against Iran instead of war mongering. His foreign policy rhetoric is suddenly less bellicose. "We can't kill our way out of this mess." struck me as a remarkable statement from someone who has been advocating that we kill our way out of this mess for the past two years.

I suspect Romney is trying to appeal to women again. Most of the undecided voters are women, and women are Romney's biggest problem. As a demographic, they tend to prefer non-militaristic approaches to problems. So, Romney needs to morph into an Obama on foreign policy in order to appeal to them.
 
If it is a question of image, how does anyone remotely consider Romney to look like a leader? He has a layer of smarm that you couldn't scrub off with an entire can of Barkeeper's Friend. He looks like a used car salesman. And he has that unnatural lacquered creepfest preacher hair.
 
GiancarloC said:
Exactly. That's why I pay such little attention to their instant polls. They seem to poll republicans at a great advantage, and Romney still lost lol.

And one other point... why is Romney so disrespectful to whoever is moderating the debate? It doesn't go down well with some voters.
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Romney's used to being totally in charge. He's used to being around people he can fire.
 
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T-Rexx said:
What was remarkable to me about this debate was Romney's pivot to most of Obama's positions.

Romney now agrees with the president on foreign policy. He agrees with the 2014 withdrawal from Afghanistan. He agrees with sanctions against Iran instead of war mongering. His foreign policy rhetoric is suddenly less bellicose. "We can't kill our way out of this mess." struck me as a remarkable statement from someone who has been advocating that we kill our way out of this mess for the past two years.

I suspect Romney is trying to appeal to women again. Most of the undecided voters are women, and women are Romney's biggest problem. As a demographic, they tend to prefer non-militaristic approaches to problems. So, Romney needs to morph into an Obama on foreign policy in order to appeal to them.
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Yeah, that was rather freaky. But somehow I can't see how it will impress anyone to surrender and agree with the guy you're running against. I could easily take a bunch of what Romney said and patch together an endorsement speech for Obama.

Weird.
 
Kulindahr said:
Yeah, that was rather freaky. But somehow I can't see how it will impress anyone to surrender and agree with the guy you're running against. I could easily take a bunch of what Romney said and patch together an endorsement speech for Obama.

Weird.
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I keep expecting Republicans to revolt against Romney and demand that he return to the "severely conservative" Mitt that won their nomination. But, not a peep.

It is interesting that Republicans seem comfortable with Obama's policies, so long as it is a Republican who is advocating for them.
 
"If the debate went on 30 minutes longer, Romney would have endorsed Obama"... Van Jones, CNN
 
BostonPirate said:
The Geography mistake is stunning, but I think those that haven't made up their minds yet are probably not very interested in the realities of a map.
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The only "realities of a map" the STILL undecideds are concerned with is how to get it folded back up the right way so it will fit back in the glove compartment atop the sixer of Miller Lite.
 
While I'm usually hesistant to use such strong verbage... I think it is fair to say that Obama TROUNCED Romney in this debate... and the polling seems to support this. Will this effect the electoral polls? I dunno.. going into it I thought not... but looking deeper into the debate polls... there is some potential... Obama won hugely among undecideds, by double digits among swing state voters... and, most importantly, you know that gender gap that was eroding? Well... IT'S BACK... at least for this debate... and women is precisely who Obama needed to win over in this debate... And, I said this after the first debate in reverse... so to be fair to both sides... the same is true here... this result may help scrounge up some support by clueless undecided voters who simply want to back a "winner"... and now Obama has won the last two debates...

To be fair, Mitt did accomplish his main objective... which will keep this election very close... to come across as a bearable alternative to undecideds... of course, he did so by somehow criticizing the president for everything and then adopting the exact same policy positions. But, it turns out that Mitt Romney's (at best) disingenuous positions in the past year finally caught up to him in the last two debates.

Notes:
- Mitt Romney did not want to touch Libya with a ten foot pole and Obama took absolutely no heat on it.
- Romney's strongest point/pivot was his embrace of diplomacy throughout and trying to stress war is an option of last resort
- Obama's strongest points were expanding Libya to the "bigger picture" and explaining how, overall, our efforts in the country have been a success and holding Romney accountable for being "wrong about everything" regarding foreign policy on the campaign trail
- Bayonets is only going to offend people not voting for the president anyway and is exactly the type of thing young voters will cling to.
- Unlike the first debate, Obama actually offered hope and a semblance of the future in his concluding remarks whereas Romney mostly talked about the last four years.

Mitt Romney's endgame appears to be to suggest that he is the "bipartisan Barack Obama". Thus, the Obama administration needs to do two things: 1.) continue to emphasize their plans for the future and 2.) destroy Romney's nonsensical record in MA, most importantly, the ridiculous notion that he was anything resembling bipartisan there.

The last remaining big event... well other than the Donald's Wednesday surprise ;)... the last jobs report...
 
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