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MPAA ratings - what the hell?

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The Covenant: PG-13 for intense sequences of violence and action, some disturbing images, sexual content, partial nudity and language.

How little of everything mentioned above can there possibly be for the film to only get a PG-13 rating?

The mind boggles. Are we maybe getting just a mite too sensitive about things after having not seen Janet Jackson's boob?

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A movie that is generating discussion on this issue is This Film Is Not Yet Rated, an independent documentary about the Motion Picture Association of America's rating system. The documentary discusses disparities in ratings between violence and nudity, same-sex and straight situations, Hollywood and independent films, etc. The film premiered at Sundance 06 and was released last week or so.

This Film Is Not Yet Rated - Official Website:
http://www3.ifctv.com/thisfilm/about.php

Attached is a recent NYTimes editorial on lack of transparency in the ratings process.

Rated R, for Obscure Reasons
Editorial
Published: September 8, 2006
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/08/opinion/08fri1.html

Given the large role they play in shaping the culture, it is remarkable how little is known about movie ratings. Who decides whether a movie is rated PG or NC-17? What criteria do they use? How does the appeals process work? Those are some of the questions posed by an illuminating new documentary, “This Film Is Not Yet Rated,” directed by Kirby Dick. Mr. Dick’s film makes a compelling case that there needs to be greater transparency in the ratings process, and significant reforms.

The ratings system is operated by two industry groups, the Motion Picture Association of America and the National Association of Theater Owners. The system is private, but the public has a strong interest in it, since the ratings play a large role in shaping movie content. Films rated NC-17 can have a hard time attracting audiences. Producers are often willing to make substantial cuts or changes in movies to get a more commercially viable rating.

Mr. Dick’s documentary investigates how the ratings system works, and the picture is not pretty. Most of the raters are anonymous, so the public cannot assess whether they are qualified or impartial judges. In the movie, Mr. Dick goes to elaborate lengths to learn the raters’ identities. One thing he turns up is that even though the M.P.A.A. says they are all “parents,” some, perhaps many, are parents of adult children, hardly what the M.P.A.A. has been suggesting when it says it has parents evaluating films for other parents.

Mr. Dick also uncovers serious problems with the ratings procedures. When he appealed the NC-17 rating first given to his own film, he was informed, remarkably, that he could not cite the ratings given to other movies in his argument. He also learned that the appeals board has long had representatives of the Catholic and Episcopal Churches — but never of any other religions.

“This Film Is Not Yet Rated” also argues that there are built-in biases — that studio movies are treated more leniently than independent films, that gay-themed movies are more likely than other movies to get NC-17 ratings for the same kind of content, and that the system deals more harshly with sexual content than violence. Because the standards are so nebulous, it is not hard to believe that some of these biases enter into ratings decisions.

The current M.P.A.A. president, Dan Glickman, inherited the system when he took office two years ago. He said in an interview that the system is under review and volunteered that some aspects — like not allowing appealing parties to cite other movies and allowing only the Catholic and Episcopal Churches to send representatives to the appeals board — need to be changed. Mr. Glickman deserves credit for being open to reform, but he should think expansively. There is no legitimate reason, for example, for the raters to be anonymous.

It is questionable whether the movie industry should be in the business of rating movies at all. It might make more sense to simply make information about content available, and let parents make their own assessments.

If there are going to be movie ratings, they should be done through a fair and open process. After the revelations of “This Film Is Not Yet Rated,” the burden is now on the M.P.A.A. to give its ratings system a serious upgrade.
 
I think there are at least general guidelines, but they're not written down. Otherwise the Hollywood studios would go nuts planning a movie, since the rating is a very important part of the marketing strategy.

When The French Lieutenant's Woman came out, it was given an R rating because of one occurrence of the word "fuck," even though the film was otherwise completely unobjectionable.

Possibly because of the outcry over that incident, the rule seems to have been changed so that one "fuck" was acceptable in a PG-13 movie. I remember hearing that when the Beavis and Butthead movie came out.

And one shot of a dirty postcard showing an octopus inserting his tentacle in a woman's hoo-ha was supposed to have triggered an NC-17 rating for Henry & June, thus misleading a lot of people into thinking it was a lot more raunchy than it really was.

It also seems to me that the ratings criteria have changed over the years, and not in a more permissive direction. Has anyone else noticed that nude scenes seem to be a lot shorter and less revealing than they used to be?

Also, there seems to be a disjunction between nudity and sex -- you can't put the two things together. You can show a penis in an R movie, but not during a sex scene. I never realized so many men kept their boxer shorts on during sex.
 
I suppose there are certain scenes which would govern a rating in totality. I mean, you can't have a 1 second long cum-shot in a PG movie and expect it to stay PG, as an extreme example.

But with this Covenant, there are so many (6) items which are "objectionable" (as in there is a category for it like violence, nudity, whatever) and still it only gets a PG-13? Makes me wonder if we have finally and officially lost the plot.

Here in .za, they don't tend to be as explicit with the reason for rating - violence, action, gore, suspense, horror, frightening material etc all become V for violence; bad language is L whether or not it's swearing or sex talk, and N for nudity has only recently come in to distinguish it from sex.

Still ridiculous when you see something rated 13 SNVL - what, someone punches someone else who is wearing no shirt while making out with a girl and the guy being punched says "What the hell?" Honestly, why bother at all?

Oh - and in our very racially sensitive .za society here we also have P for prejudice.

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A movie that is generating discussion on this issue is This Film Is Not Yet Rated, an independent documentary about the Motion Picture Association of America's rating system. The documentary discusses disparities in ratings between violence and nudity, same-sex and straight situations, Hollywood and independent films, etc. The film premiered at Sundance 06 and was released last week or so.

This Film Is Not Yet Rated - Official Website:
http://www3.ifctv.com/thisfilm/about.php

I've been looking forward to seeing this movie.
 
I don't really care about the ratings system anymore. Now that I'm 21 I can see any movie regardless of the rating.

The one thing I will say is I think they need a rating between PG-13 and R, because sometimes one small scene can take the movie either way.
 
It would be interesting if numerical indices could be used. You could read a review and see a list of 14 shirless scenes, 185 uses of profanity/obscenity, 46 verbal references/innuendos to sexual acts, 3 sexual acts partially depicted, 2 sustained sex scenes, 23 acts of physical violence, 5 murders, and 69 incidents of criminal destruction of private property.

On the other hand, if we are going to index offensive content, we might have an entirely new industry spring up for use in indexing what counterculture viewers find offensive: 254 incidents of SUV use, 399 characters unmoved by global violence and warmongering, 642 portrayals of racist, sexist, oligarchist mentality, 599 scenes of tasteless decor, and 120 depictions of children or adults wasting food or potable water.

I'm not against ratings. I'd just like to see more significance in them.

Actually, if you navigate through Screenit you literally get a blow by blow account of everything in the movie. Sometimes it's a bit ridiculous - "miscellaneous characters have bare shoulders," which is just OTT in my opinion - but it really is everything that anyone might find objectionable at all.

More entertaining is the religious one at capalert.com, which is just ludicrous in its obsession with all things evil. They hated the Wallace and Gromit movie because the were-rabbit is quite obviously a demon because it can shape-shift, and we shouldn't be exposing our kids to demons, should we?

Complete nutters, the lot of them.

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I don't really care about the ratings system anymore. Now that I'm 21 I can see any movie regardless of the rating.

The one thing I will say is I think they need a rating between PG-13 and R, because sometimes one small scene can take the movie either way.

We have A, PG, 13, 16 and 18. Although 18 is rare these days - our film and publications board has chilled a bit in recent times. Some years back there was a 21 rating as well, but they merged that and 18 into a 19 and then phased it back to 18 again.

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