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NSA data mining

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palbert said:
We learn more each day of the rigorous security and tracking at NSA.



http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_...n-impersonated-nsa-officials-sources-say?lite

From the same: it appears new-hires have to be less capable.
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So what this seems to be saying is that Snowden actually did not have access to all of this information like he claimed. Instead, he stole the identities to access the information he otherwise would not have been able to access. Seems like one party in this situation had sinister motives and it's starting to look more and more like Snowden each day.

palbert said:
Today we get a glimpse of the "black budget" for the National Intelligence Program.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...57bb78-10ab-11e3-8cdd-bcdc09410972_print.html

A visual budget breakdown as presented by The Washington Post.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-sr.../?Post+generic=?tid=sm_twitter_washingtonpost
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I'm scratching my head as to why this is even news. All these documents (what they showed of them at least) demonstrate is that America has a well-funded, well-organized intelligence apparatus that seems to be focused on exactly what the government has been saying it is focused on. I don't see any line items or descriptions of domestic spying on Americans, and I see a number of pieces of information that would probably have best not been published. Why do we need to tell the world who our top targets are or what level of difficulty we have targeting them? Why does it need to be made public that SIGINT methods of targeting terrorists are the only way to get to many of these targets? Endangering intelligence activities for the 15-minutes of fame for the day is irresponsible and doesn't really contribute much at all to anything of importance, other that to satisfy people's curiosity.
 
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tigerfan482 said:
.... All these documents (what they showed of them at least) demonstrate is that America has a well-funded, well-organized intelligence apparatus that seems to be focused on exactly what the government has been saying it is focused on. ....
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And seems to be doing a relatively unaccomplished job at that. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...w-much-govt-wastes-useless-surveillance.shtml

An organization that needs US$50M to cope with information overload needs to figure out what it should be focusing on.

AH, for the days of Sidney Reilly. Wish we had him in Syria to give us the truth.
 
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palbert said:
And seems to be doing a relatively unaccomplished job at that. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...w-much-govt-wastes-useless-surveillance.shtml

An organization that needs US$50M to cope with information overload needs to figure out what it should be focusing on.

AH, for the days of Sidney Reilly. Wish we had him in Syria to give us the truth.
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It's always nice to get Tech Dirt's feelings on the situation. My feelings are that they read the information (and they actually didn't read the information at all) incorrectly. It seems to me that, as with any organization out there, the government outlines their strengths and weaknesses and commit more money to the weaknesses. Since Tech Dirt decided to only focus on the negative sounding parts of the article and not on the successes and strengths that the WP summarized, an informed person can really just dismiss them outright as any credible source of anything but gossip and opinion. Nothing they say is based on fact, given such platitudes as "So, we're spending all of this money (our money) on top secret operations, including spying on pretty much every American... and so far it's been almost entirely useless against the actual threats we face" and they provide absolutely no fact at all to back that up.

And I would say the NSA knows exactly what it should be focusing on. The information overload comes from the increasing use of technology worldwide and the increasing use of commercial data networks vice the closed, government run networks of yesterday. I would say that an organization that spends $50 million out of a $50 billion budget to ensure they are able to find the information they're looking for in the vast sea of information out there already has a good idea of what they need to be focusing on and what they need to be doing to focus more on it. It's a shame they're now having to spend even more money on repairing the damage Snowden caused. I'm sure people will complain about that as well.
 
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From the Snowden documents we learn that NSA has cracked many encryption systems; when it can't crack it buys "backdoor access."

Revealed: The NSA’s Secret Campaign to Crack, Undermine Internet Security

Beginning in 2000, as encryption tools were gradually blanketing the Web, the N.S.A. invested billions of dollars in a clandestine campaign to preserve its ability to eavesdrop. Having lost a public battle in the 1990s to insert its own “back door” in all encryption, it set out to accomplish the same goal by stealth.

The agency, according to the documents and interviews with industry officials, deployed custom-built, superfast computers to break codes, and began collaborating with technology companies in the United States and abroad to build entry points into their products. The documents do not identify which companies have participated.
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The highly classified operation is called Bullrun.

http://www.propublica.org/article/the-nsas-secret-campaign-to-crack-undermine-internet-encryption

Feds Beg NY Times, Pro Publica Not To Reveal That They've Inserted Backdoors Into Internet Encryption
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http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...rted-backdoors-into-internet-encryption.shtml

The articles were published anyway, although some specific facts were removed by The Times.

In an interesting development the NRA has joined the ACLU in fighting NSA.

NRA Joins ACLU Lawsuit Against NSA
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It argues that the data collection amounts to a national gun registry.

http://cri.ch/p3486
 
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palbert said:
From the Snowden documents we learn that NSA has cracked many encryption systems; when it can't crack it buys "backdoor access."



The highly classified operation is called Bullrun.

http://www.propublica.org/article/the-nsas-secret-campaign-to-crack-undermine-internet-encryption



http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...rted-backdoors-into-internet-encryption.shtml

The articles were published anyway, although some specific facts were removed by The Times.

In an interesting development the NRA has joined the ACLU in fighting NSA.



It argues that the data collection amounts to a national gun registry.

http://cri.ch/p3486
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WHAT?!?! The NSA breaks encryption? Shut 'em down!! Leave that stuff to the Russians and Chinese.
 
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tigerfan482 said:
WHAT?!?! The NSA breaks encryption? Shut 'em down!! Leave that stuff to the Russians and Chinese.
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A fail worth noting; generally your shilling can be disregarded.

You conveniently failed to note NSA's purchase (with a good bit of intimidation and coercion I expect) the backdoor entry into supposedly secure encryption systems. (Even though this was very early on hinted at with regard to Microsoft.)

Just for you:

The NSA spends $250m a year on a program which, among other goals, works with technology companies to "covertly influence" their product designs.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security

http://www.theguardian.com/world/in.../sigint-nsa-collaborates-technology-companies
The top secret SIGINT (Signals Intelligence) document (PDF)(3 pp.)
 
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palbert said:
In an interesting development the NRA has joined the ACLU in fighting NSA.


It argues that the data collection amounts to a national gun registry.

http://cri.ch/p3486
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Actually the argument is that it enables the government to create a national gun registry. It wouldn't be a thorough one, but it's an interesting point, namely that access to records the way the government is reading the statute would allow the government to sort through and single out just about any segment of the population they wanted.
 
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palbert said:
A fail worth noting; generally your shilling can be disregarded.

You conveniently failed to note NSA's purchase (with a good bit of intimidation and coercion I expect) the backdoor entry into supposedly secure encryption systems. (Even though this was very early on hinted at with regard to Microsoft.)

Just for you:



http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security

http://www.theguardian.com/world/in.../sigint-nsa-collaborates-technology-companies
The top secret SIGINT (Signals Intelligence) document (PDF)(3 pp.)
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In other words, the government engages in coercion via bribery.
 
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Should we be comforted to know NSA for several years - continuing? - had no full understanding of its operations.

Newly declassified documents released Tuesday tell a story of a surveillance apparatus so unwieldy and complex that nobody fully comprehended it, even as the government pointed it at the American people in the name of protecting them.
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http://news.yahoo.com/nsa-machine-too-big-anyone-understand-071323221--politics.html

... So disturbing was this that the supervisory court (a charitable labeling by me) upbraided the NSA.

Secret documents showed that the National Security Agency was reprimanded for violating its own rules and misleading the nation’s intelligence court about how it used data.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/11/us/court-upbraided-nsa-on-its-use-of-call-log-data.html?hp

From the ACLU, the plaintiff:

https://www.aclu.org/national-security/secret-nsa-documents-released-response-aclu-lawsuit
 
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^I'm looking forward to reading the contribution from the NSAs public relations representative on this site refuting these "speculative" allegations, if only for the entertainment value that he provides.
 
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And today we have this:

The National Security Agency routinely shares raw intelligence data with Israel without first sifting it to remove information about US citizens, a top-secret document provided to the Guardian by whistleblower Edward Snowden reveals.
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The disclosure that the NSA agreed to provide raw intelligence data to a foreign country contrasts with assurances from the Obama administration that there are rigorous safeguards to protect the privacy of US citizens caught in the dragnet. The intelligence community calls this process "minimization", but the memorandum makes clear that the information shared with the Israelis would be in its pre-minimized state.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents

NSA and Israeli intelligence: memorandum of understanding – full document
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/in...ntelligence-memorandum-understanding-document
(5 pages)

This is protecting the privacy of US citizens?
 
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REFERENCE:

More than a dozen Bills pending in Congress dealing with this issue:

For now, here's a quick summary of the bills in Congress drafted after the June leaks that have a chance to go forward. They try to fix Section 215 of the PATRIOT Act, curtail the secret law being created by the surveillance court overseeing the spying (The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, or FISA Court), and change how the FISA Court operates. Unfortunately, there is no bill in Congress with prospects of moving forward that tackles Section 702 of FISA—the section used for PRISM.
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https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/08/effs-cheat-sheet (with links and synopses)
 
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palbert,

Thank you so much for the info and facts, man.

Those NSA kids are indeed quite mischievous, aren't they?...
 
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newbored said:
palbert,

Thank you so much for the info and facts, man.

Those NSA kids are indeed quite mischievous, aren't they?...
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You're welcome.

Wait 'til winter with the snowballs.

Abd, I hear Obama just cancelled his annual picnic with Congress. Well, why have a mudfight when you can bomb.
 
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We shall soon know more.

Dennis Saylor orders government to review rules on surveillance and says further declassification would protect court's integrity

The court that oversees US surveillance has ordered the government to review for declassification a set of secret rulings about the National Security Agency's bulk trawls of Americans' phone records, acknowledging that disclosures by the whistleblower Edward Snowden had triggered an important public debate.

The Fisa court ordered the Justice Department to identify the court's own rulings after May 2011 that concern a section of the Patriot Act used by the NSA to justify its mass database of American phone data. The ruling was a significant step towards their publication.
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It is unclear which Fisa court opinions about bulk phone records surveillance will be identified for declassification. Neither Saylor nor the ACLU knew.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/13/edward-snowden-nsa-disclosures-judge

I am disturbed that a prime rationale appears to be the integrity of the court and not the Constitutional issues posed. But may be that is just in the reporting.

I am also surprised that Judge Saylor is relying on the government. Has he no clue?
 
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