Prayers For Bobby

aijalon18 · Jan 28, 2009

Why respond to this person and give him any of your energy? This person is miserable, for coming to a 100% positive thread about a movie that almost everyone here can relate to on some level and turning it into something negative and nasty. Almost all the post prior were about how emotional the movie made people and how much they liked it. Dont let this person tarnish you experience.

techboywi · Jan 28, 2009

aijalon18 said:
Why respond to this person and give him any of your energy? This person is miserable, for coming to a 100% positive thread about a movie that almost everyone here can relate to on some level and turning it into something negative and nasty. Almost all the post prior were about how emotional the movie made people and how much they liked it. Dont let this person tarnish you experience.

Good point!!!! :=D:

jktoooo · Jan 28, 2009

Kennylicious said:
I don't think anyone would dispute that. No one held a gun to his head and forced him to jump off a bridge into oncoming traffic. However, that shouldn't suggest that his mother was completely blameless in the matter, either. Everyone has a breaking point -- she (guided by harsh conservatism/religion) helped push him to it.

Let's not act as if conservatives are somehow the victims in all this. Maybe people wouldn't feel the need to kill themselves if it weren't for conservatives constantly shoving their beliefs and ideals on others who don't fit "the norm" until the breaking point is finally reached. At least with liberals, they're more about creating their own norms rather than forcing everyone else to live their by-the-book lifestyle.

"...with liberals, they're more about creating their own norms rather than forcing everyone else to live their by-the-book lifestyle."

:rotflmao:

You mean the "tolerant" loving Intolerant leftists libs?

leftists Libs are some of the most intolerant people on earth PERIOD

You're encouraged to have an "open mind" until someone brings an opposing view than yours, then if that's the case somehow the libs becomes ExTREMELY closed minded.

jktoooo · Jan 28, 2009

Kennylicious said:
I don't think this movie teaches that Christianity or religion is bad. It teaches that intolerance is bad, and often times people use their religion as a crutch or excuse to get away with it.

dude ---
"Tolerance" is a myth, PERIOD

Liberals show us how intolerant they are ALL the time, yet, like yourself and this movie, they preach of the virtues of tolerance.

it's oxymoronic!

jktoooo · Jan 28, 2009

Kennylicious said:
It's difficult not to get angry when you basically called Bobby a selfish bastard for committing suicide.

Where did I "basically" call Bobby a "selfish bastard"?
You're putting words in my mouth ---- that's unfair and WRONG!

Kennylicious said:
Is suicide a selfish act? Yes. But where's your compassion and understanding for the fact that he felt driven to that point in the first place?

Where's your compassion for that fact that people loved him here on earth and he had no conscious about leaving them for this selfish act of suicide?

Kennylicious said:
You're not necessarily wrong in what you say or the facts you present. It's that you completely lack compassion and empathy. That's the same problem I have with that hateful hag from hell, Ann Coulter.

So, logical thinking shouldn't have more of a place than compassion?
My comments are based on logic.
My compassion tells me I should feel sorry for him for being weak.
BUT other people in WORSE situations find a way to better their lives and themselves. There's no excuse.

For example --- the story of Ayaan Hirsi Ali who fled her country and Islamic life with her life on the line because she left her husband and Islam (apostacy is punishable by death in Islam).

I have ten times for respect for someone of Ali's character than I would of Bobby's weak character.

jktoooo · Jan 28, 2009

aijalon18 said:
Why respond to this person and give him any of your energy? This person is miserable,

aijalon18 said:
for coming to a 100% positive thread about a movie that almost everyone here can relate to on some level and turning it into something negative and nasty. Almost all the post prior were about how emotional the movie made people and how much they liked it. Dont let this person tarnish you experience.

truth is ugly, and the truth is this:
Bobby, wonderful person as he may have been, killed himself because he was too weak to rise above the situation.

as i wrote to another poster, review the life of Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Then YOU will know what is truly a sad life and see someone who rose above their even more dire life threatening situation because she was strong!

jktoooo · Jan 28, 2009

Kennylicious said:
Tolerance is a myth for some people. Not everyone.

there's always something that even you will be intolerant of.

admit that at least.

jktoooo · Jan 28, 2009

Kennylicious said:
I have an open mind about other people's beliefs and opinions as long as they don't try to force those beliefs and opinions on others. More often than not, it's the conservatives who do most of the forcing. Not all, but some. JMO.

"forcing"?

how are things "forced"?

I know in communism such as cuba and china, things are forced. But where do we have that level of "force" in America?

The only ideology being pushed on America is "liberalism", but it's forced on people in a much more deceitful way: through colleges (through professors), in textbooks, through Hollywood onto the masses (such as this movie), through music......it goes on and on.

You gotta open your eyes.....I did.

jktoooo · Jan 28, 2009

TalkinTotheRain said:
Conservatism has been such a domineering and alienating force for so long that it's no wonder that some liberals have adopted some of what I consider to be very conservative techniques to shut opposing viewpoints out.

like how does "conservatism" "shut opposing viewpoints out"?

TalkinTotheRain said:
I wish they wouldn't, though. We don't need any liberal Ann Coulters or Rush Limbaughs as that sort of madness is best left as a ultra-conservative specialty.

Well, you guys have the media, especially MSNBC - Chris-get's-a-thrill-up-his-leg-because-of-Obama (yeah, "objective" media) Wallace, that moron keith olberman, rachel maddow, you have Rosie O'Odonnell, you have Bill Maher, you have Hollywood 100% cornered, you have the mainstream media, you have NPR, you have CNN, You have NBC, you have "the View" ....this goes on and on and on and on....

Don't play victim and tell us there is some massive oppression of "liberalism" going on.

TalkinTotheRain said:
Anyway, if you think tolerance is a myth then be prepared to remain as little more than a dirty faggot destined for hell for your perversions and AIDS carrying agendas and be treated accordingly by much of the conservative right. Without tolerance that's all you'll ever be in their eyes.

If they (I guess "conservatives") think I'm going to hell for whatever lifestyle I lead, then let that be their problem to stew in. I'm not concerned what they think because you know what? I don't believe in religions, therefore, I don't need to believe I'm going to hell for my lifestyle.

jktoooo · Jan 28, 2009

Kennylicious said:
You didn't come right out and call him a selfish bastard, but the tone of your post seemed to imply it. You said very little about Bobby's mother trying to force a lifestyle on him and instead focused on how Bobby was weak/selfish. Again, you seem to have very little understanding and compassion when talking about these things, so the tone of your posts tend to come across as very harsh and devoid of human feeling.

Also, who said that I don't have compassion for Bobby's mother? I felt terrible for her in the movie once she lost her son. No matter how overbearing she may have been, he was still her son and she loved him. I can't imagine the loss of a child and I'm sure that his suicide was a devastating blow for her. However, that doesn't change the fact that his suicide probably wouldn't have happened in the first place if it weren't for her. It was ultimately his choice, of course, but she certainly didn't do much to try and keep it from happening. She helped push him to the breaking point. It's a sad situation all around for every person involved.

look, i never said it was not NOT sad, i just said suicide is a very selfish thing to do.

jktoooo · Jan 28, 2009

Kennylicious said:
How do we have Rosie O'Donnell? She no longer has a media platform. I wouldn't call CNN a liberal media outlet, either. Surprisingly, I think that's a pretty fair and balanced network. Also, how do we have Hollywood cornered? It's peculiar how most people say that Hollywood stars have such an influence on the public, yet you've turned it the other way around to make it sound as if it's the stars are simply at the mercy of big bad liberals. Give me a break. Did it ever occur to you that the majority of Hollywood might have liberal views simply because they share those views genuinely? Look at the Bible belt and all the conservatives who reside there. Are they only conservative because they've been cornered into it, as well? Your argument here is flawed.

Meanwhile, conservatives have Faux News. Every single anchor on Fox News. You have Ann Coulter -- crazy bitch that she is. You have Elisabeth Hasselbeck and Sherri "Jesus YAY!" Shepherd. You have Bill O'Reilly. The list goes on.

okay, i'm going to respect huntneo's request and stop this "debate".

however, if you want to continue this conversation (about liberal media,etc.etc.) then open anther thread or send me a private message. But I guarantee you you will lose that debate.

Jeffs0418 · Jan 28, 2009

Looks like this thread went off on a wild tangent.

I just saw the movie last night and WOW! Sigourney Weaver's performance was awe inspiring. (!)

Shame about what happened to Bobby though. He was only a year older than me.

Fucker29 · Jan 28, 2009

jktoooo said:
look, i never said it was not NOT sad, i just said suicide is a very selfish thing to do.

And living isn't selfish? Pretty much all we do in life is for selfish reasons...suicide is no different.

Fucker29 · Jan 28, 2009

jktoooo said:
Where did I "basically" call Bobby a "selfish bastard"?
You're putting words in my mouth ---- that's unfair and WRONG!

Where's your compassion for that fact that people loved him here on earth and he had no conscious about leaving them for this selfish act of suicide?

So, logical thinking shouldn't have more of a place than compassion?
My comments are based on logic.
My compassion tells me I should feel sorry for him for being weak.
BUT other people in WORSE situations find a way to better their lives and themselves. There's no excuse.

Worse, better...it's all relative. Human life is way too multifactorial to be reduced to that simplicity.

bowtiebubba · Jan 28, 2009

Kennylicious said:
Aww, congratulations on coming out!

Thank you so much!

My life literally changed over night!

I cannot wait to move to San Antonio and meet some guys and start my life...finally!!!

Thanks Again,
-BB

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