Each case must be determined on its own facts. But you attitude, I fear, reflects the attitude of others that police stops are harrassments which they are entitled to resist. It must be noted that such resistance, justified or not, by an armed man is likely result in his death.
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Race Riots in America 2016
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Each case must be determined on its own facts. But you attitude, I fear, reflects the attitude of others that police stops are harrassments which they are entitled to resist. It must be noted that such resistance, justified or not, by an armed man is likely result in his death.
I have often discussed the causes of such crime: welfare, degradation of the work ethic, together with immigration forcing blacks to compete for low wages.
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I bet that vid of the guy getting beat by the cops gave Benny Boi a raging woody 
Part of the issue is people being belligerent to the cops or resisting arrest. Having the mindset that cops only exist to hunt down black people for sport and then expecting a confrontation before anything even happens is not solving anything, it only causes further tension, and further problems down the road.
I don't think the gay rights movement would have made nearly as much traction if we went about it in this manner... just saying. I'd rather earn acceptance from the general population and have them genuinely respect gays, instead of just making everyone feel like they have to walk on eggshells, scared shitless of accidentally saying the wrong thing, making them feel uncomfortable around gays and wanting to avoid them because of any drama that might ensue... or making all straight people feel guilty for being straight, or feel like they need to apologize, even if they themselves haven't done anything wrong.
When you're respectful to cops, you're a whole lot less likely to have problems... what a novel concept eh?
http://www.thebounce.ca/2016/07/10/edmonton-police-encounter-will/
I don't think the gay rights movement would have made nearly as much traction if we went about it in this manner... just saying. I'd rather earn acceptance from the general population and have them genuinely respect gays, instead of just making everyone feel like they have to walk on eggshells, scared shitless of accidentally saying the wrong thing, making them feel uncomfortable around gays and wanting to avoid them because of any drama that might ensue... or making all straight people feel guilty for being straight, or feel like they need to apologize, even if they themselves haven't done anything wrong.
When you're respectful to cops, you're a whole lot less likely to have problems... what a novel concept eh?
http://www.thebounce.ca/2016/07/10/edmonton-police-encounter-will/
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Where is the bias here? The article quoted research from a series of Washington Post articles that looked into the statistics, a series that won a Pulitzer Prize. (Both organizations thought be bastions of liberal bias by the conservative press.)
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What happens next is total lockdown of the cities/states, total militarization of the cops, and arms only for the feds. What's been happening to black youth and the black citizens of the US is unfortunate but the cops don't play fair and they don't play games, things are going to get real ugly real quick before there is any sort of progress.
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peeonme
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You bring up an interesting point, mutual respect might be a good idea.
That last time I spoke to a cop I had been in a hit and run, the person who rear ended us nearly ran me over when I tried to get the plate on their car copied.
The cop I dealt with was a punk. Pure and simple, a belligerent asshole punk. He acted like I had committed a crime, when I called the station (where I went to report the hit and run) his supervisor said that he had heard the whole thing and that his officer was polite.
Maybe when they quit lying and covering for each other and there is accountability things will change.
I have always been polite to cops in the past, after the asshole and the lies I don't know, why the fuck should I respect them if they don't respect me?
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Sad that people make everything about racism. Just because some cops are racist, the ones who are claiming to be targets of racism, or are targets of racism, take it into their own hands to harm/kill cops, when not all cops are racist, yet these rioters put ALL cops in the same box, and there you have a civil war.
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The problem with resisting arrest...this is the end result of Black Men who have been NOT been able to "trust authority" the same way White Men can....
...and they have good reason not to trust authority....
...and they have good reason not to trust authority....
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https://www.commentarymagazine.com/american-society/harvard-study-debunks-police-shootings-myth/
Another study--this time by an African American professor--looks at the statistics and finds that blacks are 20% less likely to be shot by police than whites.
By the way, the recent demonstrations have not been race riots.
Another study--this time by an African American professor--looks at the statistics and finds that blacks are 20% less likely to be shot by police than whites.
By the way, the recent demonstrations have not been race riots.
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Exactly. It was a peaceful, legal and rightful demonstration. The assassin was not one of them, he was there to kill and hate, the very thing the demonstrators were against.
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I think it's this very "US vs THEM" mentality from ALL sides that's the problem...
...but I also agree that someone should be policing the police. How many small towns are known for their speed traps or red light cameras for city revenue? Seems like shady behavior to me and it wouldn't surprise me if the corruption doesn't stop there.
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There is definitely and old boys club type attitude among cops and it has it's supporters from higher up in government and city counsels. I say this as someone who has cops in his family and I support the cops but am not so stupid as to believe they are incapable of being in the wrong. One of the problems is that much of the policing done on police is from within. No one, no matter the job, should feel they are above accountability.
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People seem to be thrilled when they get to see homespun footage of a 'crime scene' from the cameras of private phones posted on line.
How is a city using cameras better or worse then a private citizen using one?
And, what precisely constitutes a 'speed trap'? They don't put a bag over the speed limit sign, do they? Please explain.
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That is precisely what you are doing when your response to the issue is saying "blacks need to understand they are not entitled to resist arrest."
xbuzzerx
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That's exactly what the problem is and why people are just distracting the issue when they talk about "individual bad apples."
The problem is systemic. The problem is that in hearing after hearing, cops who behave this way are being ruled not having committed any wrong and walking... often with pay throughout the hearing. That's creating a system-wide problem where people are not worried that popping off and kneejerking and "taking no chances" is going to be something they will be made to answer for.
Until the internal policies are clearly defining this as unacceptable police behavior and terminating or assisting in pressing charges against cops who do this, focusing on individual bad cops is just scapegoating for the system encouraging this behavior.
xbuzzerx
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If gays were being indiscriminately killed on routine traffic stops by police for being gay, there would be militant reactions and this community would and should entirely support it until there was change.
"When you are respectful to cops, you're whole lot less likely to have problems."
Please, even generally speaking this is not true of people. People take their anger, their problems and the power they have on other people all the time. Regardless of how you treat them.
If you are going to pretend that people never thought differently when they saw someone of a different race, gender, orientation and never treated people differently based on the same criteria, you are kidding yourself.
Some times it is subtle, sometimes it is not. One of the Managers at my work literally directed this question at another gay co-worker and I just because we are gay. "So how about what happened in Orlando?" We were at our morning meeting and he directed this question at us. It is not the worst thing to ever happen or anything but kind of annoying way of trying to relate or trying to open up a conversation with gay people. Or to assume that we were affected by it because we were gay.
Things like this happen all the time because people assume that based on gender, race, orientation, etc that you apparently have to approach things differently as if they don't do social situations like everyone else does.
xbuzzerx
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^ It's just completely and utterly bizarre when people's reaction to civilians being slaughtered by law enforcement is "well you should have been more polite."
There is really no universe in which cops killing people who were not threatening the life of the cops or others nearby would be something we'd view conditionally through politeness level.
There is really no universe in which cops killing people who were not threatening the life of the cops or others nearby would be something we'd view conditionally through politeness level.
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peeonme
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I would ask (again) if the blacks are resisting arrest or resisting assault?
I have been around the block(a few times), if a cop or cops order one to hit the ground and keep their hands in plain view that is far different than 3 cops tackling a person while yelling "don't move".
How in the hell do you remain motionless while being tackled?
My son was in a private school and broke some dumb rule, the head master told him to put his hands on the desk and swatted him with a wood paddle telling him that if he moved he would "get it again", of course he moved, who in the hell wouldn't?
I had a talk with that head master, I asked him if he could let me swat his ass with the paddle and not move.
What an idiot, or was he? I think that he knew what he was doing, no one is that stupid.
In like fashion the cops know how to take it up a notch or 2 and get physical, they also know how to keep it cool. It's their responsibility to keep things from escalating.
I have been around the block(a few times), if a cop or cops order one to hit the ground and keep their hands in plain view that is far different than 3 cops tackling a person while yelling "don't move".
How in the hell do you remain motionless while being tackled?
My son was in a private school and broke some dumb rule, the head master told him to put his hands on the desk and swatted him with a wood paddle telling him that if he moved he would "get it again", of course he moved, who in the hell wouldn't?
I had a talk with that head master, I asked him if he could let me swat his ass with the paddle and not move.
What an idiot, or was he? I think that he knew what he was doing, no one is that stupid.
In like fashion the cops know how to take it up a notch or 2 and get physical, they also know how to keep it cool. It's their responsibility to keep things from escalating.