Republican vs. Democrat

[wilehart1978]

Most of the opinions in the posts are pretty much split across party lines. So, I wanted to see if there were any brave hearts from either party to answer the following:

a. Are there any Republican JUBers who will admit George Bush has done a less than favorable job as President?

b. Are there any Democratic JUBers are there who will admit that Democratic leaders really have no plan or vision for fixing what they continuously say is wrong with Washington and Mr. Bush's performance?

 

[chance1]

Republican JUBers - I'd be interested in a poll for the # of - relative to Dems. I'm guessing 20-25%

As for b (cause I'm a registered Dem) - not sure you're gonna get much yes on that one

But I'd say that's accurate

Easy to criticize - tougher to fix

And a lot of JUBers do the same thing as you write about the politicians above - they criticize the current admin w/o really looking for answers - only that so and so was a better Pres than George W, etc.

good post

 

[NW007]

Republican JUBers - I'd be interested in a poll for the # of - relative to Dems. I'm guessing 20-25%

As for b (cause I'm a registered Dem) - not sure you're gonna get much yes on that one

But I'd say that's accurate

Easy to criticize - tougher to fix

And a lot of JUBers do the same thing as you write about the politicians above - they criticize the current admin w/o really looking for answers - only that so and so was a better Pres than George W, etc.

good post

Actually, I did a poll not too long ago asking fellow JUB memers where they fit on the political spectrum. Take a look at the percentages there. Look either under the poll section or under my threads or posts.

 

[jordyy]

well, i think i'm the perfect person to answer both questions. i myself am an independent, leaning more towards democrat. however, i am from texas, and voted for bush in 04. i was definitely a bit dissappointed in Dubya (even moreso now), but i don't regret my vote for him. why? well, because of your second question. someone running on the campaign of "hey, i'm not bush" isn't enough to get my vote. john kerry had no clear ideas, and failed to identify his beliefs. he was afraid of alienating certain people, and that, my friend, is a pansy. i'd rather have a less-than-stellar badass than a pansy. of course, in 08 my vote goes to Hillary, cuz she is a far bigger badass mofo than Bush is

 

[james1200]

so in your eyes, instead of taking a small risk with an unknown like kerry, it's better to vote for someone you know for a fact starts wars based on lies and who has killed tens of thousands of people as a result, lets his personal religious beliefs guide foreign and domestic policy in direct violation of the constitution you republicans claim to worship, had increased domestic spending to record levels again in direct violation of every tenent that republicans have held for the last 100years (and that is even discounting military spending)...do i need to go on? i am so sick of hearing that at least bush believes in something!!! if i told you to get in a car with me so we could drive off a cliff together because god told me to do it and i believe that to be true you would have me commited and yet you willingly follow the coke sniffing drunk in the oval office...perhaps his brains have been fried by years of partying and he's hallucinating folks...time to wake up!

and oh yeah...lest i forget, he thinks you are a second class citizen not entitled to the same rights as him cause you like dick.

 

[Mr.BiGuy]

A- Does'nt really apply to me since I'm a dem, I would HOPE that they have figured out by now that they voted for a bigot and that they do not fall into what the conservatives want (they don't want gays or anyone whose not white in the GOP period).

B- I admit that most of the Dems in Washington are just as bad as the Republicans. They are concentrating to much on being Republican-lite that they are not showing how different they are from the right.
Alot of Dems that are not directly tied to Washington are great and have plans. Barack Obama, Gen. Wes Clark, Howard Dean, Debbie Stabenow etc are great examples of this.

Personally I like the Dem party to be more liberal and kick out the conseratives out.

 

[james1200]

^^yeah but they can't...i have no problems with conservatives being in the dem party cause my congressmen couldn't get elected by the yahoos in alabama...and we use to have a lot of conservatives in the dem party til they jumped ship...but then again, maybe we won't need them...let's not forget that congress is almost evenly divided...and if like everyone predicts, the republicans get wiped out in the northeast and west and cease to exist in those regions, we could have a reverse of what happened after the civil war where the democrats (who were the racist assholes back then) completely dominated the south but didn't exist as a party anywhere else and so the republicans dominated the presidency and congress for a generation...the dems can engineer the same thing and isolate the republicans in the south...knock on wood.

 

[TylerKS]

Quit saying Bush did this and Bush did that. The House and Senate also have to vote on the issues.

 

[jackoroe]

I guess this thread is closed to kulindahr, jackoroe, and myself at least.

I'll put my two cents in anyway. I'm no fan of Bush's spending. I'm also deeply concerned about these signing statements where he seems to indicate he won't enforce laws he disagrees with. There are too many attacks on individual freedoms from this bunch. The Republicans seem to be like to old Democrats.This deficiet is obscene. They spend too much and want too much influence in my life which isn't spelled out in the Constitution. Having tasted power, they were corrupted by it. They need to read that inconvenient 10 th. Amendment again.

The Democrats are even worse. They have no plan, at least one they wish to make public. They seem to be run by the extreme left wing kooks like Dean, Pelosi and Harry Reid. They can't reveal their true left wing nature to the public, because they would be rebuked at election time. So they run as being anti-Bush. That may be enough, but it shows a terrible lack of vision and leadership. Of course they'll tax the bejeezus out of us and piss it down some rathole in the form of wealth redistribution given the chance.

 

[jkirk3000]

I admit to being a Republican and having voted for Bush twice. I also admit to having a range of emotions about the way he has handled his office.

I am disgusted that as a "conservative" he has spent like a drunken sailor.

I am pissed that he has squandered international support from 9/11.

I do not understand how he could have been so dense as to get us in a no-win scenario in Iraq. Stay the course and we lose in world public opinion. Withdraw and we are seen as pansies by our enemies. Clearly this has been a monumental mistake, eventhough I support the initial premise for our going in.

On the other hand, economically the country is doing quite well. Taxes are down, unemployment is down, interest rates continue to be low, inflation (other than the energy sector) is almost non-existant and our economy is growing at a faster rate than any other country (except China).

I am open to voting for Democrats, and have in the past. But what I want to hear are realistic solutions instead of playing one special interest against another. I want to hear a realistic solution to getting out of Iraq - how does "phased withdrawal" make us safer? I want to know that Democrats, while interested in talking to resolve world problems, are not afraid to act to protect American citizens and our interests. I want to hear the Democrats say that we don't care what France et al think when we make a decision, that we will act in our best interest first and foremost.

I want to hear Democrats come up with an economic plan that does not start with more taxes. I want to hear Democrats emphasize that while it takes a community to support the neediest, it takes individuals and businesses with initiative and incentive to make everyone wealthier.

I want to hear Democrats support new ideas to improve education instead of just bowing to the pressure of "stay the course" teachers unions.

I guess, what I want to hear above all else, from anyone who wants my vote, is solutions to what needs fixing without passing blame or judgement, and for both parites to stop bitch slapping each other.

 

[james1200]

^^and you're from boston? for shame...

just read this story...if southern women aren't afraid of change, you certainly shouldn't be...

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/09/07/D8K07CM80.html



except for this kool aid drinker...she's hysterical...this is her quote directly from the story..

"There are some people, and I'm one of them, that believe George Bush was placed where he is by the Lord," Tomanio said. "I don't care how he governs, I will support him. I'm a Republican through and through."

if you read between the lines, that's what you sound like.

 

[kev]

I think certainly Republicans and President Bush could do things better. The latter's biggest deficiency is his poor communication skills, when he is trying to talk like anyone other than the Texan that he is. He has not mobilized this country for war. On the other hand, he has very few friends in the Media, and they control the message. So even if he were more vocal and sounded like a Parliamentarian, the MSM would not play along.

And since some of you have taken this thread into another Bush-bashing direction, here is a surprise for you. I lay a lot of blame for the apparent anit-American feelings around the world squarely on the Democrats and their MSM. People like President Carter, Al Gore, Howard Dean, Michael Moore, Dan Rather, Ben Keller, Eric Lichtblau, et. al., have done far more to encourage anti-American feelings than President Bush or any Republican has.

We have been told by Al-Quaeda that the only way for America to lose is to lose in the media, which they are doing for them...hook, line, and sinker.

 

[Centexfarmer]

Republican JUBers - I'd be interested in a poll for the # of - relative to Dems. I'm guessing 20-25%

As for b (cause I'm a registered Dem) - not sure you're gonna get much yes on that one

But I'd say that's accurate

Easy to criticize - tougher to fix

And a lot of JUBers do the same thing as you write about the politicians above - they criticize the current admin w/o really looking for answers - only that so and so was a better Pres than George W, etc.

good post

Agreed.

Check out this JUB poll as to your first statment.

http://justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106214&highlight=Democrats

 

[Centexfarmer]

Most of the opinions in the posts are pretty much split across party lines. So, I wanted to see if there were any brave hearts from either party to answer the following:

a. Are there any Republican JUBers who will admit George Bush has done a less than favorable job as President?

b. Are there any Democratic JUBers are there who will admit that Democratic leaders really have no plan or vision for fixing what they continuously say is wrong with Washington and Mr. Bush's performance?

The last Republican that I voted for was Bush 41.

I dated a guy here in Texas who was a big time Dem, and we worked together during the "Unity '92" campaign.

He always referred to Republicans as "fascists," even as far back as 1992.

I use to laugh, until I saw first hand how they ran thier campaigns; intimidation, campaign sign stealing, lies, distortions of the truth, mileading campaign materials.

I've been a Democrat ever since.

Not because I think that Democrats are better at running thier campaigns, obviously they're not.

Maybe the Dems need someone like Karl Rove!

I have recently met several Republicans who've told me personally that there is no way in hell that they're voting Republican this year. Mostly out of protest for Bush lying about his conservative credentials, the deficit, the mess in Iraq, and the apparent duplicity of those currently running the Republican Party.

They're planning on voting Independent or not at all.

I'm pretty happy that the Texas Democratic Party doesn't take its marching orders from the Democratic National Committee. I've never been a fan of Howard Dean, and I sure as hell didn't vote for him when he was running for National Chair.

Besides, for the most part I feel like the DNC has pretty much abandoned Texas this election cycle since Tom DeLay redistricted most all of Texas' leading Democrats out of office.

When Howard Dean talked about seats last weekend on one of the Sunday Morning news programs, he didn't once mention that Republican Senator Kay Baily Hutchison has a Democratric openent Ann Radnofsky in the race.

All of the Texas candidates who are running State-wide election here in Texas have a plan, and their vision is so much fresher than anything the Republican incumbents have for Texas. There's not a candidate on the Texas Democratic Party that I have any reservations about casting my vote for.

NOW on a national level, I can't say that I see any one in leadership in the Democratic Party that I would take a bullet for.

That doesn't mean that the Democratic Party doesn't have a plan, that it has no goals, and that it lacks vision. What it lacks at the moment is a leader with the guts to call the shit the way he sees it, is able to commicate that vision to the American people, and move us all forward.

Most of the folks that I know personally (Republican and Democrats) aren't happy with ANY of the status quo at the moment.

 

[conrad]

Maybe what we need is a different system of selecting candidates; in spite of primaries and conventions which are pretty open, no one without substantial financial backing has much of a chance. With public financing, we might get a better mix of candidates.

We need ballots open to third parties. Today, with the connivance of both parties we make it very difficult for third parties even to get on the ballot.

We need some way to insure that minority parties are represented in the legislative bodies, something that would be hard for the U>S. Senate but not in the House in states with larrge delegations. So in the case of a state electing 20 members, any party getting 5 percent of the vote would be entitled to one member. It's an goal that can be achieved in a variety of ways. And, it would take the push for partisan advantage in districting out of the picture as the votes would be counted by party not individual candidate and would be counted statewide.

Republicans have been very successful fundraisers and one need only look at the results of the last five years to see how handsomely it has paid off to the contributors of big bucks. Democrats also have raised large sums from big givers and that includes a lot of corporations. SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO GET THE INFLUENCE OF BIG MONEY OUT OF POLITICS.

So that leaves the question : Which of the players in this corrupt system will I reward with my vote? We've heard more lying since Bush came in than in any ten years period with the Democrats in power. And, the lying has been about matters that have far-reaching effects on peoples' lives here and abroad. My point is that we should not elect liars and we should not elect those who aid and abet the lying president...so, throw them out. A war that' killing decent people in our armed forces and in countries where we are throwing our weight around is a more important issue for me than banning abortions, banning gay marriage and civil unions, flag burning or the display of the Ten commmandments.

 

[opinterph]

Maybe the Dems need someone like Karl Rove!

Sad, but also very true.

 

[TongueTied]

I am a registered Democrat but have always voted for the candidate I thought best at the time.

I live in California and the Democrats have made a mess of this state. They have controlled the legislature for over a decade and waste their time passing ridiculous bills ( outlawing school textbooks over 200 pages, forcing schools to change their mascots if they have names "offensive" to Native Americans i.e., Chiefs, Braves, Warriors, etc. ) while letting the state sink into massive debt, letting the public school system continue its' downward spiral, and gerrymandering their own districts. At the state level, I now vote straight Republican, just because the Democrats have fucked things up so badly.

At the federal level, I am disgusted by both parties. There are a few politicians I like of both parties ( Sen. Mc Cain, Sen. Biden, Sen. Feinstein, Sen. Hagel, Gov. Richardson of New Mexico ), but I don't think a Democratic controlled congress would be any better.

I guess I am more of an old-fashioned, small government, libertarian Republican. Too bad there don't seem to be any left in politics.

 

[beekman001]

a. Are there any Republican JUBers who will admit George Bush has done a less than favorable job as President?

Yes. George Bush is an attricious president. There was a time when republicans stood for fiscal responsiblity, lower taxes and as much personal freedom as you could get your hands on. Since Bush has been in office they've gone on a spending spree at close to credit card interest rates and passed unfunded mandates. On top of that they've maintained power recently by focusing on legislating restrictions on our personal freedoms. Generally the Republican party has sold itself out to hang on to power and no one is a greater manifestation of this than the current president.

 

[Kulindahr]

I guess this thread is closed to kulindahr, jackoroe, and myself at least.

Heh.

I predicted from the start that Bush would run his presidency like he ran his Texas ranch, and sure enough... there was that pesky Taliban, so he sent the boys out after them varmints, and there was that critter Saddam, so Georgie gathered the posse and sent them off after him. But the world isn't his ranch, and once the varmints are shot you can't just go back to the ranchhouse and have a cold one... so money gets wasted, and good folks die, and it will be years before we can reasonably get out of there.

OTOH... I haven't seen a democrat since... Hubert Humphrey who I thought was presidential material, either, nor do I see any on the horizon. There isn't one on the national scene who believes in the BIll of Rights -- not that Bush does, either.

What we need are two new parties, not just new candidates. The assembly line is broken, so there'sno point in hoping the next unit coming down the line will be any better.

 

[naked gent]

And since some of you have taken this thread into another Bush-bashing direction, here is a surprise for you. I lay a lot of blame for the apparent anit-American feelings around the world squarely on the Democrats and their MSM. People like President Carter, Al Gore, Howard Dean, Michael Moore, Dan Rather, Ben Keller, Eric Lichtblau, et. al., have done far more to encourage anti-American feelings than President Bush or any Republican has.

Kev if you really think Jimmy Carter's words are the cause of apparent anti-american feelings and not pictures of dead Iraqi women and children beamed throughout the arab world you should really try dipping your toe into the waters of reality.

Much of the world has become suspicious of us because they see the most powerful country in the world use that power in a disconserting manner.

I'm neither a dem or a republican but I do agree with both statements A and B. After reading the above comments about how the dems have no plan for Iraq I am reminded how times have changed. In 1968 while the war in Vietnam was raging on it was enough for the republican candidate Nixon not to have started the war....the dems lost largely because they did. Nixon had a plan to get us out of Vietnam but he never had to detail it.

The current republicans are fighting furiously to focus attention on the future in Iraq because if we focus on how we got to where we are today they will loose.