Russian Invasion of Ukraine

[ravenstone]

First: The only concession russia can make is leaving the Ukranian territory within the borders of 1991. Second: The idea of Trump cutting off aid to Ukraine is really punish the victim. You have got this war totally wrong. russia invaded Ukraine with the goal of exterminating the culture, the intellectuals, the veterans, the political class, the Ukranian speakers. Totally exterminate. We talk millions of dead. Pure nazi methods. You support that. What does that say about you?

I think you are talking about killing hundreds of millions. We may not get a choice anyway because Ukraine and some European countries are hell-bent on starting WW3 as soon as possible before the Trump restoration.

 

[rareboy]

I think you are talking about killing hundreds of millions. We may not get a choice anyway because Ukraine and some European countries are hell-bent on starting WW3 as soon as possible before the Trump restoration.

Again. Utterly unsubstantiated nonsense, not support by anything. A fantasy of yours that you have been talking about since 2022.

And why the fuck would you care? Putin isn't going to hit the US with a nuke. It would be eastern Europe first.

And given US fecklessness, do you really think that NATO would respond?

 

[Danash]

I think you are talking about killing hundreds of millions. We may not get a choice anyway because Ukraine and some European countries are hell-bent on starting WW3 as soon as possible before the Trump restoration.

The russians will be the ones starting WW3, not Ukraine, not Europe. Please explain to me how Ukraine firing several missiles is an escalation when the russian fascists could fire 188 this morning? Why are dutch F16s a threat when Iran, North Korea and China send thousands of tons of weapons and sanctioned microchips? Who are escalating? And you talk about concessions? Really?

 

[rareboy]

The russians will be the ones starting WW3, not Ukraine, not Europe. Please explain to me how Ukraine firing several missiles is an escalation when the russian fascists could fire 188 this morning? Why are dutch F16s a threat when Iran, North Korea and China send thousands of tons of weapons and sanctioned microchips? Who are escalating? And you talk about concessions? Really?

Just more Kremlin bullshit propaganda either being spread by Putin trolls on sites like these, or taken on board by people locked into far right wing media that only spouts Kremlin talking points. And remember, the GQP base is generally very poorly educated and lives inside a bubble of disinformation and paranoia.

 

[rareboy]

 

[ravenstone]

The russians will be the ones starting WW3, not Ukraine, not Europe. Please explain to me how Ukraine firing several missiles is an escalation when the russian fascists could fire 188 this morning? Why are dutch F16s a threat when Iran, North Korea and China send thousands of tons of weapons and sanctioned microchips? Who are escalating? And you talk about concessions? Really?

Will it matter who causes WW3? Dead is dead. Europe wants a war now because Biden will go along with letting WW3 start.

 

[rareboy]

Let's revisit who is firing all the long range missiles.

This is world war III. But you keep ignoring it on purpose because it doesn't fit the Kremlin propaganda stream that you repeat ad nauseum.

 

[Danash]

Will it matter who causes WW3? Dead is dead. Europe wants a war now because Biden will go along with letting WW3 start.

[Text: Removed] Not a single reply on my questions, just more WW3 BS. Look, pal: I live in Europe. I have loved ones in Kiyv. They are hiding in the subway each night because of your friends. The war is real and beyond anything you can imagine. It affects us every fucking day. But we all know who started it and that he must be defeated. I stop here. Im here for less heavy things and not wasting my time [Text: Removed].

 

[ravenstone]

[Text: Removed] Not a single reply on my questions, just more WW3 BS. Look, pal: I live in Europe. I have loved ones in Kiyv. They are hiding in the subway each night because of your friends. The war is real and beyond anything you can imagine. It affects us every fucking day. But we all know who started it and that he must be defeated. I stop here. Im here for less heavy things and not wasting my time [Text: Removed].

I am sorry about your loved ones. I hope they can reach safety and that the war ends soon.

 

[rareboy]

[Text: Removed] Not a single reply on my questions, just more WW3 BS. Look, pal: I live in Europe. I have loved ones in Kiyv. They are hiding in the subway each night because of your friends. The war is real and beyond anything you can imagine. It affects us every fucking day. But we all know who started it and that he must be defeated. I stop here. Im here for less heavy things and not wasting my time [Text: Removed].

Someone supposedly living in Texas, steeped in far right wing propaganda fed to them by the Kremlin, cannot begin to understand Euirope. It was the same in the 1930's.
They really don't give a shit about people dying because of Putin's mad ambitions to restore the Soviet Empire.

 

[rareboy]

Meanwhile, the increased number of rrrZZZn casualties are indicative of the degraded training and inexperience of their frontline forces and very likely the continued loss of commanders. And, of course, the numbers are calculated based on average numbers of russian dead that can be verified from each battle location. It also indicates that the Kremlin will sacrifice as many people as possible to freeze the frontline across the Donbas in order to claim as much mineral wealth as possible before winter and the likely forced end to this phase of the war.

 

[rareboy]

Still pretty high attrition rate.

 

[KaraBulut]

"Cannon Fodder". No one can ever accuse the Russian government or Russian Orthodox Church of endorsing a "culture of life"... not when there's this level of death and destruction.

These numbers are coming from the Ukrainians, so it's hard to know how accurate they are. By comparison, the total number of military deaths in the Iraq War of 2003 were 3,777 coalition and 16,623 Iraqi military casualties for the 7 year conflict.

Russia loses almost 46,000 troops, over $3 billion worth of military equipment in November, Defense Ministry says

In November, the Russian military lost 2,030 soldiers in one day, which is the highest rate of Russian losses in a day since Feb. 24, 2022.

kyivindependent.com

The Russian army suffered record losses in military equipment and personnel in November in the war against Ukraine, Ukraine's Defense Ministry reported on Dec. 1...

In November, 45,720 Russian soldiers were wounded, killed, or captured and thus unable to continue participating in combat operations. This number is equivalent to more than three motorized rifle divisions of the Russian army, according to the ministry.

November also saw the record broken for the enemy personnel losses in one day with 2,030, the highest figure since Feb. 24, 2022.

In November, Ukrainian forces also destroyed 307 Russian tanks, 899 armored combat vehicles, and 884 pieces of artillery.

 

[rareboy]

Ah yes. Remember December 2021?

 

[rareboy]

Almost at the 3/4 million mark.

 

[rareboy]

OTD in 1994 Russia signed the Budapest Memorandum, guaranteeing Ukraine's territorial integrity in exchange for their nukes,
44 Ukrainian heavy bombers (Tu-22)
and 1,068 Kh-55 cruise missiles. Which have been fired at Ukraine in this war.

 

[rareboy]

Of course you would meet with Orban to discuss how rrrZZia can take Ukraine (and in return that Orban gets the western portion) as well as learning at the feet of an authoritarian who has bent his country to an undemocratic thugocracy run by oligarchs.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/5031101-hungary-orban-trump-musk-waltz/

 

[rareboy]

Ukraine's SBU has taken out one of rrrZZZiaz worst war criminals.

Ukraine's SBU assassinates Russian general charged with chemical weapons crimes, source claims

Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov and another Russian service member were reportedly killed in an explosion in Moscow on the morning of Dec. 17.

kyivindependent.com

 

[KaraBulut]

Twenty years ago, a lot of healthcare advocates were pointing out that the US Government was pouring billions into the war in Iraq but they weren't increasing VA funding to prepare for the needs of veterans returning from combat. Twenty years later, the US has about 22 veteran suicides per day and issues that we're seeing with militia groups and extremists are connected with military service.

Over 1.9 million Americans served in the 10 year Iraqi war, about 1.5% of the population eligible for military service.

Russia has conscripted about 1.3 million soldiers into the war with Ukraine, about 2.5% of the eligible population. The estimates are that over 600,000 of those soldiers have been killed or wounded.

This is a ticking time bomb for both Russia and Ukraine but for the Russians, it creates yet another generation of disaffected men with PTSD who will be returning to the general population.

 

[rareboy]

Rzzzia also lost a lot of the young to fleeing the country in 2022, before they effectively closed the borders,

I don't remember the source of the article but I read one last week where demographic studies show rrrZZZia in deep trouble in not too many years because of their endless wars throwing away their people.

It is beleived that besides just naked cowardice preventing full scale conscription, it is a recognition of the impact on the western Rus population particularly that has the Kremlin buying North Koreans for their meat grinder.