Survivor - Fans vs. Favorites

[slipintothefog]

Also something I didn't really like about Sandra's game in HvV is that she was blinded by her hatred of Russell so much that she would have actually voted him out against her best interests in the game if the Heroes weren't so idiotic. It was only after, like, three rounds of Heroes getting voted out that Sandra calmed down and decided it was better for her game to stay with the Villains. If she had gotten her way at any of those early merge votes, Russell would have been voted out and her chances of winning would have gone down tremendously.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

I agree with your entire assessment of Chase, slip. Early on we got a glimpse that he wasn't a tool when he easily ditched that asshole Shannon for Brenda and her alliance. And I DO remember him coming on wonderfully strong at the Final Tribal Council -- so much so that Alina credited him and gave him her vote accordingly -- and I especially loved that he wouldn't play Marty's stupid, sore-loser game (really Marty, you're gonna call Chase dumb while praising FABIO?).

Also apropos of nothing, I just remembered Nicaragua featured this withered sea-hag.

 

[slipintothefog]

Jane is definitely somebody I'd classify as a love to hate character. When she called Sash out as a sewer rat, Holly as a shoe-stealing hag, and Marty as a terrible father, I was filled with rage. When she put out the fire in the camp, I was like OMG THIS HEINOUS COW. It was all so amazing and authentic.

Nicaragua also had Holly and she was the older woman I loved the most out of the recent seasons and wish she were on this season instead of Dawn. She was enough of a gamebot to target and eliminate threat Brenda when it mattered, but real enough to have a crazy meltdown when it didn't, and I loved how she played mama bear to the kids. So complex <3

 

[man123]

To change the topic, can anyone tell me why they waited til now, two episodes before the final, to have a double elimination? I feel like the end of the season is always so rushed, and it's the end of the season when things start getting fun and exciting! Why don't they do double eliminations while there are still two tribes and when we don't care about half the people? It never really made sense to me.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

To change the topic, can anyone tell me why they waited til now, two episodes before the final, to have a double elimination? I feel like the end of the season is always so rushed, and it's the end of the season when things start getting fun and exciting! Why don't they do double eliminations while there are still two tribes and when we don't care about half the people? It never really made sense to me.

I couldn't agree more! I don't know why we get 2-3 Tribal Councils on finale night when the weeks leading up to the end should be slower so we'd have a better understanding of the dynamics going into the endgame. When there are 16-20 people in the game still and we don't really care about any of them, it makes more sense to do double eliminations then.

 

[gaystorm]

I love Jane. She was a true survivor woman. She just did not have as much of the social game. I have chatted with Holly a few times and she is super nice.

They used to have the double tribals. However, they probably did not want the favorites to be voted out. I did not need a full episode for Reynold tobe voted out. He, like Joel, was one of the worst fans ever, showing he had no clue how to play the game. I would bet that Russel is his favorite Survivor.

 

[gaystorm]

The winners I see as best to worst.

Sandra- won twice
Todd- had complete control over that game and took someone out with two idols.
Parvati- manuvered a few alliances and made the most successful all women's alliance ever, while taking out two people holding idols.
Richard- creating the alliance.
Kim- again, ran the show (after Colton was gone).
Tina- beat out a challenge threat and got a vote from someone who hated her.
Aras- using Terry as a challenge threat to keep himself in the game by telling his alliance he was the onlybone who could beat him.
Yul- very intelligent player; however, held a powerful idol to get to that point.
Denise- back to the wall, she made it all the way through and took out the challenge threat.
Jenna- from dom alliance to not, she pretended to sleep to listen to others talk and won last two immunities and too out Rob.
Natalie- minority alliance, but she made people feel so safe and easy with her and did not turn her back on those she was with the whole time.
Earl- got all 9 votes while taking two goats to the end with him to say suck your final threes because he coukd take two Katies (sorry my love, Katie).
Chris- breaking through an all woman alliance and manipulating Twila into screwing herself over at final tribal.
Tom- challence guy with friends.
Brian- kinda lucky with a twist but played a group of people hard.
Danni- working through a strong alliance.
Amber- great pairing and had to work hard to save herself.
Rob- masterful game, but took him four seasons to do it in.
JT- taking out six people of a different tribe, but Stephen should have won as he was the brains behind it all.
Sophie- two goats.
Bob- power of an alliance.
Vecepia- won because Neleh did not say she was sorry to John.
Fabio- angry jury (worst final three ever)
Ethan- cried every episode about if people were gonna vote him off. Lamest winner ever.

 

[slipintothefog]

On twenty person seasons they usually need to have multiple double boots to fit the episode count. We avoided one this season because Shamar was removed in Laura's boot episode but they still had to do the second double elimination. I think the reason they always do them post-merge is because casual fans like the tribe vs. tribe form better? That might be wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

I'd rather them do two full cycles in one episode like they did last week or in the Candice/Danielle boot ep of HvV than for them to do that bullshit bottle twist from Cook Islands or South Pacific's random "Well we just voted out Dawn, so now let's have another Tribal Council to excise Whitney immediately" ever again.

 

[man123]

On twenty person seasons they usually need to have multiple double boots to fit the episode count. We avoided one this season because Shamar was removed in Laura's boot episode but they still had to do the second double elimination. I think the reason they always do them post-merge is because casual fans like the tribe vs. tribe form better? That might be wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.

I'd rather them do two full cycles in one episode like they did last week or in the Candice/Danielle boot ep of HvV for them to do that bullshit bottle twist from Cook Islands or South Pacific's random "Well we just voted out Dawn, so now let's have another Tribal Council to excise Whitney immediately" ever again.

But with it so close to the end of the game it almost seems like the producers go "Oh shoot, we only have 3 episodes left and still have eight survivors left! What are we going to do?!" Like Sgt Pepper said, bringing 5 people into the finale makes the finale seem so rushed.

 

[slipintothefog]

That's because of the F3 twist and I think we all agree that a F2 is infinitely superior.

 

[gaystorm]

It happens at the end because we already know the people. Plus, there is less to show with five people than fourteen. What if nothing exciting happens at final four? Then we watch something boring? Personally, the worst partvof Survivor is the day before final tribal. I hate that gap where people talk about what they plan to do that night or celebrate. Blah blah.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Todd- had complete control over that game and took someone out with two idols.

Gotta correct you there buddy. Todd GAVE James those two idols for no reason at all (he gave James one and told him where to find the other one at the rival camp) in a complicated plan that was unnecessary when all his alliance had to do to get the same result was throw immunity and vote out the "stolen" tribe members, thereby saving James and what's-his-name for the merge and NOT having to give James any idols.

Also, it was Amanda who came up with the plan to blindside James, not Todd. And it was Amanda who told Pee Gee to play along so James wouldn't use his idol at TC. In fact, Amanda even had to convince Todd that this was the best move because the little twerp was too stupid to see that if they didn't blindside James at 7 people (with Pee Gee and what's-his-name still in the game so James wouldn't suspect it), then James would have every reason to use the idols at F6 and F5, thereby getting a free pass to F4 where he'd only have to win one immunity challenge and he'd be in the finals. This was very simple Math and yet Amanda -- a beauty pageant queen -- figured it out and had to diagram it for Todd.

Basically Todd made an unnecessary mess and Amanda had to clean it up.

 

[gaystorm]

I do not remember that, but I will take your word on it.

 

[slipintothefog]

The main good thing Todd did gameplay-wise was kiss ass so well to the jurors at Final Tribal that he stole the win right out from under Amanda's vacant doe eyes. He was extremely lucky that Amanda carried him that far, though, while his other opponent was a flippant pile of bones who didn't even care about winning (<3).

 

[BreakTheIce]

It is good to see that they're finally giving Brenda some more screen time. I didn't even know she existed till Phillip was voted out. Actually, a lot of people never got any screen time till Phillip was voted out, which is total bull IMO.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

while his other opponent was a flippant pile of bones who didn't even care about winning (<3).

Who still managed to get one more vote than Amanda. And I bet you anything if it were a traditional F2 with a traditional 7-member jury, she would've gotten Erik's vote (he clearly had no love for Todd) and whomever was voted out at F3 (Amanda/Todd) to win the whole damn thing. Which would've been AWESOME.

 

[Ekim23]

The main good thing Todd did gameplay-wise was kiss ass so well to the jurors at Final Tribal that he stole the win right out from under Amanda's vacant doe eyes. He was extremely lucky that Amanda carried him that far, though, while his other opponent was a flippant pile of bones who didn't even care about winning (<3).

AMEN to that

 

[gaystorm]

The main good thing Todd did gameplay-wise was kiss ass so well to the jurors at Final Tribal that he stole the win right out from under Amanda's vacant doe eyes. He was extremely lucky that Amanda carried him that far, though, while his other opponent was a flippant pile of bones who didn't even care about winning (<3).

That is not exactly right. He had the plan for James to throw the challenge, which did not work. He took out Jean Robert because he did not want him to get credit for taking out James. He moved to get Frosti voted out because Courtney was too attached to him. He was determined to be voted out each week and never went, while Amanda was in there with ideas, she never made the moves to give her the win and failed at final tribal.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

He took out Jean Robert because he did not want him to get credit for taking out James.

Jean-Robert was voted out before James. There wasn't even talk about taking out James until two rounds down the line when Amanda proposed the idea first to Courtney then to Todd.

 

[gaystorm]

Jean Robert was talking about taking out James, that was why he was voted out. Todd wanted the credit for that idea.