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Survivor - Fans vs. Favorites

Brenda to Andrea: "You don't have to go home, but you have to get the fuck out of here bitch."
 
Only... I feel she will be playing with Malcolm by his little smirk. Oh, and super ew to Reynold's pornstash.
 
gaystorm said:
Oh, and super ew to Reynold's pornstash.
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It's amazing how Reynold's douche-levels are so high that even Michael ends up looking like one by association on the jury.

Also, if this were Big Brother instead of Survivor, Brenda would be celebrating like this right now

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Is it me or is Erik looking hotter each day??? And Malcolm's long hair makes him look sexier than ever!!!
 
Cochran is so in control !! Andrea is gone thats sad coz she sure played hardcore but she was prolly too agressive !!

I feel like Dawn and sherri are locked in the F3 no matter whats happening coz cochran would take em, brenda would take em and Erik too.

I dont know about Eddie, part of me thinks he's going to make it to the Finals and part of me thinks he' s not.
Nobody sees him as a threat, and thats problly the problem.
 
People are afraid if they take Eddie (take!) he will win with his friends on the jury.

Dawn has been in this playing people and making the right moves for her game. So, I doubt that it will be easy to win against her. If anything, Brenda would be the easiest to beat. People do not vote for nice. They want the person who played the hardest.
 
gaystorm said:
Dawn has been in this playing people and making the right moves for her game. So, I doubt that it will be easy to win against her. If anything, Brenda would be the easiest to beat. People do not vote for nice. They want the person who played the hardest.
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But being nice IS playing "hard" (whatever that means). Not that I think Brenda would win, but I'm just saying, people DO vote for nice on Survivor/Big Brother if the other person is someone they like less/hate. What they don't vote for are nice people who insist that they did noting wrong, took the high road, never lied, has morals etc. Juries hate that.

Dawn is nice but she's also annoying with the crying all the time. I could be biased here because (full disclosure) I had a good friend like that who was a genuinely nice person but her anxiety/depression resulted in so many crying jags that 1) It became downright humorous to the point where me and her other friends would roll our eyes every time she did it and 2) I loved her but it became so unbearable because we were roommates that I had to actually move out and spend some time away from her. And I know if like I had to choose between giving one million dollars to her or another friend I liked who didn't cry all the fucking time, I would give it to the latter easily.

I think Dawn only wins if she's up against truly detestable/more annoying people like Philip and Brandon which...yeah exactly.
 
Who I think the current jury would vote for if the remaining 6 made the final:

Michael: Brenda
Phillip: Cochran
Malcolm: Eddie
Reynold: Eddie
Andrea: Eddie

Go Eddie!
 
Eddie is pretty much the only person left I actively DON'T want to see win. OK Erik too.
 
Danw has no chance of getting votes in the finals. If u read the latest jury itws u can see that dawn is not liked at ALL !

Sherri and Danw have no chance in the finals. and thats why they are the person to bring. Erik / brenda & eddi could get sympathy votes. And cochan would get the "best player" votes.

And yeah ur right bout Natalie but she only won because nobody wanted to give russel the million bucks, not only coz she was nice
 
If that were the case then Mick would have been just as likely to win as Natalie for being "not Russell." And in fact he ended up getting less votes THAN Russell.
 
^No, Mick lost because he didn't have a good argument for the jury. Natalie was nice and had a good argument. People do vote for nice people to win the $1 million, it's just based on how they present their case to the jury.

Russell is also proof that people don't always vote for whoever played hardest if they don't know how to properly manage and win over a jury. If you're looking for Rusell's super nice different sex twin who also got to the end but never won over a jury, that's Amanda.
 
Natalie beating Russell was the most satisfying moment I've ever had watching Survivor...until Sandra beat him again the very next year.
 
BreakTheIce said:
^No, Mick lost because he didn't have a good argument for the jury. Natalie was nice and had a good argument. People do vote for nice people to win the $1 million, it's just based on how they present their case to the jury.
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Right, I was trying to say that there's more to winning than just being "nice" or not being the one nobody wants to win. Mick wasn't Russell and he was probably considered "nice" which a lot of anti-Natalie fans try to argue as the only reason she won, but what they always miss is that the jury didn't respect the game of either male finalist. Natalie was in with most of the Galu women and Brett and the edit showcased that while also showing how A) Mick didn't know a fucking thing about anyone with his complete failure to answer Brett's "bro date" question and B) nobody respected Russell for being a sociopath.

While it does take more than being "nice," it's still a lot easier to win with Natalie or Caramoan Brenda's strategy of playing nice than it is to burn everyone and make the entire jury hate you (Phillip, Russell, et al). However in addition to being nice you also need to be respected, which is why Amanda lost twice and which also goes back to what Pepper was saying about Dawn, who is clearly a nice woman but her backstabbing game and mental instability is making many doubt her ability to win.
 
The only two people I would like to see win is Coch and Eddie. I can't stand Brenda nor Dawn, now Sandra Bullock gone rogue, or Erik the balless wonder. Eddie only because I detest the other players so much. Dawn is such a waste when see seemed to have so much going for her and she lost that. I never liked Brenda because of her attitude and people she chose to bond with in her season. She was so smug and soulless then.
 
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Right, I was trying to say that there's more to winning than just being "nice" or not being the one nobody wants to win. Mick wasn't Russell and he was probably considered "nice" which a lot of anti-Natalie fans try to argue as the only reason she won, but what they always miss is that the jury didn't respect the game of either male finalist. Natalie was in with most of the Galu women and Brett and the edit showcased that while also showing how A) Mick didn't know a fucking thing about anyone with his complete failure to answer Brett's "bro date" question and B) nobody respected Russell for being a sociopath.
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A great explanation like this deserves a church hand.

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slipintothefog said:
Right, I was trying to say that there's more to winning than just being "nice" or not being the one nobody wants to win. Mick wasn't Russell and he was probably considered "nice" which a lot of anti-Natalie fans try to argue as the only reason she won, but what they always miss is that the jury didn't respect the game of either male finalist. Natalie was in with most of the Galu women and Brett and the edit showcased that while also showing how A) Mick didn't know a fucking thing about anyone with his complete failure to answer Brett's "bro date" question and B) nobody respected Russell for being a sociopath.
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People did respect Russell, his downfall was he didn't play as good a social game as Natalie did in Samoa. Russell did get jury votes, but not as much as Natalie did. Natalie was smart in letting Russell run the show and take all the bullets from everyone. She knew she had the better social game and all she had to do was get to the end. She won because she was nice.

Russell also screwed up his social game in Heroes vs Villains. He's basically one of those people that wants to go as far as possible without caring about the jury and/or without playing a social game.

I do agree with you, I just pointed out that saying "nobody votes for nice" was bull. The only reason Natalie won was because she was nice and had a great social game.
 
Right. I think I am just grouping being respected enough to get the majority of the votes in as a good social game, which also includes being nice or at least nicer than your opponents in a "lesser of three evils" way. You really need to have both facets and Natalie did while Mick had one and Russell really had neither despite getting two votes from delusional Shambo and wannabe master player John.
 
Bottom line: while you might be able to make an argument that a Final 2 came down to "voting against one person", you cannot make that argument with a Final 3. If the jury was "voting against Russell" then there were still TWO other options that had to earn those votes against each other. Natalie earned them, Mick didn't.
 
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