Tell me more about Andreus

[BostonPirate]

But you did attend his funeral and everything ...

No I attended his service here in this city, not his funeral.

hmmmmm

all this excitement killed Enchanted.

I told everyone it would all be in fun until someone expired.

He sent me a note on the way out. It was not unpleasant.

 

[G-Lexington]

He sent me a note on the way out. It was not unpleasant.

He sent me one, too. It was...informative.

Lex

 

[Telstra]

Care to share BostonPirate and Lex

 

[G-Lexington]

Care to share BostonPirate and Lex

No. Because it's a PM, and the P stands for private. If he wanted everybody to read it, he would've posted it in the forum for all to read. I'll just say it confirmed some things I had thought, and leave it at that.

Lex

 

[bankside]

This is astonishing.

Boston Pirate has named Andreus as a friend in the real world on more than one occasion and in more than one thread.

Since some people do have real lives away from the keyboard, and since I have no information to the contrary, I accept that claim at face value.

So far we have baseless suspicion
a) that someone invented Andreus
b) that perhaps Andreus was real but faked the circumstances of his death and came back in the guise of a brother named Mitri
c) that perhaps those people were real but Boston Pirate is just some kind of puppet persona next in the line of fake personages regaling us with their tales.


It just sounds bonkers. Tin foil hat bonkers.


The closest thing to a fake I'm aware of on JUB is not a fake person, but a fake patois manner of posting that is exaggerated in some kind of performance art piece that I just don't find very entertaining.

 

[BostonPirate]

The "internets" is as good as an excuse to lie as is being drunk is an legit excuse for doing something wrong. There are real people on here who make real connections, so much so that people tend to meet up.

Your logic just seems like you are making excuses for crappy behaviour.

Your logic allows you to participate in crappy behavior. How many aliases have participated here to accuse me of being one? I fail to see the humor in that.

 

[justaguy]

Since some people do have real lives away from the keyboard, and since I have no information to the contrary, I accept that claim at face value.

You weren't here though when Andreus's problems were dominating the forum and people minds. Sometimes you just can't help being sceptical, and there's just too much about this whole thing that is worthy of scepticism, in my opinion. Perhaps I shouldn't have expressed it in public, but I still thought Andreus would have discussed the Iraq and surrounds situation with BP and if not, he would have said so by now.

 

[G-Lexington]

The "internets" is as good as an excuse to lie as is being drunk is an legit excuse for doing something wrong. There are real people on here who make real connections, so much so that people tend to meet up.

We once had a long discussion here on JUB. I don't even recall what the topic was, but I pulled out this analogy. I'll repeat it here, because I think I may need it soon.

As a pedestrian, I've been struck by a car twice. Both times, I was in an intersection, and I had the walk signal. Both times, I was struck by a car which had a red light, but which was turning right into oncoming traffic. They had looked to the left to verify no car was coming, but not to the right to check for a pedestrian. In both cases, the driver was clearly in the wrong, and I was in the right.

Now, each time I'm crossing the street, I keep a lookout for just such a scenario. With a car turning right on red into oncoming traffic, I make very sure that they see me, and to leave myself an escape route if they attempt to make a run for it without looking. Sometimes that means not even crossing until after the car makes their turn.

In the previous discussion, I pulled this story out because the argument was running along the lines of "But you're not doing anything wrong! You're in the right! Therefore, you shouldn't have to do anything!" Which is true of me in the case of my car story, as well. But see, I don't like to get hit by a car. It's not fun. Being "in the right" won't be much comfort if I have a broken leg or an extended hospital stay. I'd rather skip the hospital trip if at all possible. And that means taking extra steps even though I'm not doing anything wrong.

So what's this got to do with this topic? Well...

Your logic just seems like you are making excuses for crappy behaviour.

I'm not excusing the behavior. I'm just aware that it occurs, the same way I'm aware (now - it only took two car strikes) that these right-turners exist. Yes, those car should look in the intersection before driving off. But guess what - some of them don't. And, as you've seen, I can't count on them doing so. So I have to take some extra steps to protect myself. Because I can't regulate their behavior - I can only regulate my own.

I feel the same way about online relationships. Some of them are whimsical and fun and casual, like most of my gargoyle-on-JUB relationships. Some of them are more serious than that. I met more than one sexual partner online, and I'm partnered to one. But I didn't trust these people to "do the right thing" when I first met them. I went in knowing full well they could be lying through their teeth. Maybe for malicious reasons, maybe for shits and giggles. So I proceeded slowly with those relationships. When I feel a bond growing, I work on verifying it. I move from PM to e-mail to phone. I skype sometimes. I'm aware that everything being told to me that I can't verify might be utter bullshit. Not because I think it's great that people lie, but because I'm aware that they do.

I don't want to suggest that if you fall for a sock puppet, you're some sort of rube. I don't "blame" you and let the sock puppet off the hook. I just think the smart move is to proceed with caution, because these things do happen.

Lex

 

[BostonPirate]

You weren't here though when Andreus's problems were dominating the forum and people minds. Sometimes you just can't help being sceptical, and there's just too much about this whole thing that is worthy of scepticism, in my opinion. Perhaps I shouldn't have expressed it in public, but I still thought Andreus would have discussed the Iraq and surrounds situation with BP and if not, he would have said so by now.

Why do you think you are entitled to every bit of info on what he did and didn't share with me? Why do you think I would tell you IF I knew that answer? Because you've been such a kind and sweet person? Because you knew him? You said you didn't. What is left... revenge?

On a dead man?

I have no clue who you are. None whatsoever, and even if you told the forum here who you were before, the best I could do is wait for people to respond to you to figure out what all of this is about.

 

[Telstra]

Why do you think you are entitled to every bit of info on what he did and didn't share with me? Why do you think I would tell you IF I knew that answer? Because you've been such a kind and sweet person? Because you knew him? You said you didn't. What is left... revenge?

On a dead man?

I have no clue who you are. None whatsoever, and even if you told the forum here who you were before, the best I could do is wait for people to respond to you to figure out what all of this is about.

Its not normal to response like this if you are not Andreus.
Its normal to laugh and have fun if the accusation is not true.

 

[Joeking]

Kahil could clear this all up.

 

[BostonPirate]

Its not normal to response like this if you are not Andreus.
Its normal to laugh and have fun if the accusation is not true.

Who has laughed besides you? Where would that be?

Believe me, I am not amused, and you are one of the people that I find most disturbing.

 

[justaguy]

Kahil could clear this all up.

That's actually not a bad idea. All it needs is a date and place of death. If I can get that info, I'll see if I can get the death certificate. I'd like to clear it up in my own mind.

 

[BostonPirate]

I completely get what your saying.

I mean I do expect to see people exaggerating or lying or fabricating about who they are. I've met quite a few people from the internet, a few from JUB, a few from online games, etc. I think what gets me is the extent of it, if it turned out to be true. People do form connections and these people take advantage of the people who aren't as cautious as you might be. Kind of like a bully picking out a "weaker" kid because he/she is the easier target. So even if I am not a person affected by the person lying about something, I can't help but feel very aggravated that someone would use someones feelings and emotions to this extent for their own entertainment.

And let be re-state to say I am talking about this hypothetically, if all of this turned out to be a lie. I am not saying it most definitely is I just have my own skepticism about it.

--

And man I forgot all about Kahil, that really, really brings me back on here.

Hypothetically?

Hypothetically you are doing the exact thing you profess you are trying to stop. You're outrageous. This for you is revenge, as it is the other aliases that are on the attack in this thread.

I have my own skepticisms about you as well, champ.

 

[G-Lexington]

So if I get the gist of this thread, the entire forum is populated by two or three people with multiple aliases.

Damnit, that was me. Forgot to sign out as Ashy and back in as Lex. Sorry 'bout that.

Lex

 

[BostonPirate]

So if I get the gist of this thread, the entire forum is populated by two or three people with multiple aliases.

Apparently so. Apparently everyone is someone else and was someone else. FOur of them now have come forward, and somehow they are using this as proof that someone ELSE is not to be trusted. And Oh yeah...No one is real until the group votes, and everyone gets to act like escapees from a nut house because when Andreus was alive he took too much attention from them?

I mean really. It's the worst display I've seen of the worst behavior that humanity has to offer. That it's done by them in a bizarre hunt for obsessive justice is the icing on the cake.

I am at a total loss.

 

[justaguy]

BP, do you have an approximate date of death please, say within 3 or 4 days either way, and a place of death in Greece. That way we can clear it up, and I will humbly apologise to you. And I, for one, will rest knowing that the incredible story was actually real.
<edit> You should probably add his full name as well.

 

[pat grimshaw]

Sorry, I can't find a picture of him on my computer, guys.

I will check with a moderator or admin to make sure that it's ok, and if it is, I will scan the picture of him I have on the wall in my office and post it tomorrow. ...

that'd be interesting

 

[bankside]

I find the idea of looking up the death certificate of an internet stranger to prove a point on a discussion forum to require no rebuttal other than to simply draw attention to the statement.

 

[BostonPirate]

BP, do you have an approximate date of death please, say within 3 or 4 days either way, and a place of death in Greece. That way we can clear it up, and I will humbly apologise to you.

I don't know you and I have NO reason to trust you. NONE.

IF you are a stalker of some sort of his, then you are the LAST person I will be disclosing personal info about to. It's just that simple. You didn't know him by your own estimation. He was a major part of your life for years and yet he never NOTICED YOU?

Are you kidding me?

And you want his death certificate? Really? Don't you think international courts will be involved in that endeavor?