To No A Veil

[JASON0980]

the world is full of different people. i think she should win. it was clearly religious discrimination. i don't understand how anyone could deny that. i understand that muslims are not exactly popular at the moment, but she is living her religion and i would be happy to have my child in her class.

children need to see the world as a place for everyone. her views are different from mine. and i don't think that women should be held below men, but not everyone holds my views. if wearing the veil is her religious choice than she should have the right to wear it. no matter where she is working.

it is time that we let people live. and stop trying to force everyone to fit the mold!!!

 

[unclaimedblessing]

The bottom line seems to be intolerance.
Get back to me when there is a cathedral, a synagogue and a Buddist temple in Mecca. Also let me know when western women don't have to dress a "respectful" way in other countries to accomodate their religion or culture.
Then I'll beleive intolerance doesn't exist on both sides of this issue.

 

[greaves]

jason: Muslims have been living in the UK for decades. Click here to see how many mosques there are in the UK:

http://www.mosques.co.uk/

This thread is not about Muslims. It's about Islamic fundamentalists.

Indeed, it's about ALL religious fundamentalists.

 

[Andreus]

this thread has been artificially kept alive by one man's grudge for far too long

i find it offensive

 

[NameTaken]

I thought this was finished already... X_X The side I was argung for already came up with a much more reasonable argument... it's not worth my repeating or continuing to argue since it's painfully obvious those that don't see the light never will, but if you're new to the thread and want to be enlightened just read the first 4 pages...

But seriously... why is this thread alive again?

 

[BenF]

My views about Islam and other religions are well documented on this site - it's all nonsense and akin to believing in fairies.

If people want to wear peep-scarves in the privacy of their own home, it's up to them. Just don't take it into the workplace - it's just not the place.

Does my bomb look big in this?​

 

[greaves]

this thread has been artificially kept alive by one man's grudge for far too long

i find it offensive

Why do you find it offensive?

 

[xxxsultanxxxx]

Does my bomb look big in this?

F**k you, bigot.

delete this thread...

It's not people dressed like them that are the threat to "democracy".. it's people who sit on their asses while their government bombs the shit out of my people. Extremists attacked two buildings on 9/11... Extremists attacked two countries. One of them, we have no control over.. the other, you vote in.

 

[greaves]

This topic will never go away.

You might not like it. But the assassination Benazir Bhutto cannot be ignored.

She was educated, pro-democracy, and female.

Unlike her killers who are uneducated, pro-theocracy, and male.

Let's hope her death was to no avail...

 

[greaves]

From today's London "Times":

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4347204.ece

 

[Apollo]

They denied her citizenship because she wears a burka. Bullshit, it's racism. I usually hate painting anything as "racist" but this is blatantly racist.

I love how Europeans like to say how "free" and "forward thinking" they are, and at the same time doesn't allow this woman to freely practice her religion as she pleases. This is just France I understnad. But you just have to look at posts from a certain European on this board to see just how "forwad thinking" people are.

/end rant

 

[Chalchalero]

From today's London "Times":

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4347204.ece

I agree with the French government on this one. According to the French Constitution:

La France est un tout indivisible, laïque, démocratique et sociale République. Elle assure l'égalité de tous les citoyens devant la loi, sans distinction d'origine, de race ou de religion. Elle respecte toutes les croyances. Elle est organisée sur une base décentralisée.

Translation:

"France shall be an indivisible, secular, democratic and social Republic. It shall ensure the equality of all citizens before the law, without distinction of origin, race or religion. It shall respect all beliefs. It shall be organised on a decentralised basis."

Anyone who wishes to be a French citizen should be required to respect and adhere to its constitution. A woman who does not feel she is willing to integrate into French society should not be attempting to acquire French citizenship. It is that simple.

If she wishes to live according to Salafist customs, she should go to a country where that is the norm, or else be satisfied with her present status in France as is.

Citizenship is not a right, it is a privilege.

 

[Chalchalero]

Salafisms calls on its followers to betray the country they live in to establish in Islamic state there.

This is not actually necessarily the case. While Salafists tend to reject the laws and customs of the countries in which they live and prefer Sharia, they have never called for establishing Islamic States and betraying the countries in which they live.

People are constantly confusing actual Islamic sects such as Salafism and Wahhabism with extremist groups that in truth have no formal knowledge based background in Islamic scholarship and call for ridiculous jihads and overthrows which have no sound basis in Islam at all.

These are primarily the Qutbists or followers of the Egyptian ideologue Sayyid Qutb. Osama bin Laden is a Qutbist, despite erroneous claims in Western media (which would hardly know the difference anyway) that he is a Wahhabist. Almost every fundamentalist movement in Sunni Islam has been strongly influenced by Qutb. Qutb urged his followers to withdraw from the moral and spiritual barbarism of modern society and fight it to the death.

Most Salafist scholars reject and criticise Qutb's teachings as too extreme and his interpretations of the Qur'an as exaggerated and slanderous of many figures of Islam.

There is an article about him here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb

In case you're interested...

 

[Apollo]

Don't engage Harke. He is blatantly racist agaisnt Muslims, and believe all of them are no good. There is no reason to even try to engage him in this subject.

If it isn't racism, it is descrimination agaisnt her right to religion. Is religion free in France? Funny, the muslims got the head scarfs from Christians.

 

[tbonez]

belamy...i missed your nonsense. thank god you're back.

Yes, but could he do something about that bloody font!

I wanted to read what he had to say but the choice of 'day old menstrual fluid red' and squished insy weensy italics made my eye's bleed.

Honestly, I just gave up.

 

[tbonez]

"France shall be an indivisible, secular, democratic and social Republic. It shall ensure the equality of all citizens before the law, without distinction of origin, race or religion. It shall respect all beliefs. It shall be organised on a decentralised basis."

And that is the point IMO.

This is France, not the U.S. or the U.K.. You can not apply someone elses 'rules' and standards to another soviern country.

It is this woman's perfect right to challenge France's laws but until (and if) they change, she is obliged to live within them...or 'face' the consequences. (Pun fully intended!)

Citizenship is not a right, it is a privilege.

Particulary for people wishing to obtain it.

 

[RobinGoodfellow]

Obviously silly question: This woman is being denied citizenship by practicing her religion. Isn't that right guaranteed by the French constitution? It is in the section that keeps getting quoted here...

RG

 

[tbonez]

Obviously silly question: This woman is being denied citizenship by practicing her religion.

You missed the issue.

My last post should have read "sovereign" not "soviern". Don't know where that came from...Got to lay off the pipe!

 

[tbonez]

I'm not a legal expert, but I think France can grant or deny citizenship to this woman for any given reason it sees fit.

No kidding!

Geese Louise! Look... France has laws, FRENCH laws... Not American or English or Lower-Solbovian laws. Nothing arbitrary about it!

BTW, this happened in ENGLAND, not France!

 

[Apollo]

No kidding!

Geese Louise! Look... France has laws, FRENCH laws... Not American or English or Lower-Solbovian laws. France has handled her as required by FRENCH law. Nothing arbitrary about it!

lol, if we did this in America, you and everyone else on this board (except Harke) would be screaming up and down shit creek.