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What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

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Way to go Michigan! Let's hear it for states' rights. (!)
Judge Friedman, the deciding judge, was a Ronald Reagan appointee. :eek:
 
No stay of the ruling either, so there may well be some time for couples to obtain licenses before one is likely issued.
 
It's significant that the impetus to extend the suit from just adoption rights to marriage equality came from the judge. Depending on your point of view, that can be taken as a good thing or a bad one -- it's definitely food for the "damned activist judges!" crew, but I see it as indicating that the judge believed the case for adoption is merely a facet of the case for marriage equality. That has to hae an impact on the next court up.
 
It will be interesting to see how far this goes. There hasn't been a judge to deny a stay on new marriages since Shelby. I am elated for all of the couples rushing to the clerks today. My advice for Michiganders: Enjoy the moment :)
 
Things will now chill for a short bit. I don't expect another ruling to come down anytime in the next six weeks, but there will be plenty of court dates.

Arkansas' state court case has a hearing on the 17th and oral arguments in Oregon are on the 23rd, so there probably won't be another ruling until early May at the earliest. A court date is expected in West Virginia very soon. The Supreme Court of Pennsylvania is also expected to calendar oral arguments in the Hanes case *snicker*. Let's see what else. Idaho's case has a motion hearing on May 5. Well that is just about the outlook for about a month or so.

All eyes are now trained on Denver where Utah's marriage case will be heard by the US Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit. Oral arguments in that case are on April 10, and then Oklahoma's case will be heard by the same panel on April 17.
 
It does suck the few weeks will be quiet ruling wise but there will still be plenty of action, the 10th circuit being the big one.
In PA, I can easily see a ruling being done by Judge Jones before mid July. We'll have to see how it goes.
 
What does SCOTUS do if there is near unanimity (barring the Fifth Circuit) among the circuits? How will it respond to a legal fait accompli? I sometimes feel they don't like being dealt a mere confirmatory role.

I view Michigan as the strongest case if only because it has a record and a factually supported decision. I can see some of the others being sent back for a record (I am not sure of the factual stipulations in many of the summary or interlocutory proceedings).

 
What does SCOTUS do if there is near unanimity (barring the Fifth Circuit) among the circuits? How will it respond to a legal fait accompli? I sometimes feel they don't like being dealt a mere confirmatory role.

I view Michigan as the strongest case if only because it has a record and a factually supported decision. I can see some of the others being sent back for a record (I am not sure of the factual stipulations in many of the summary or interlocutory proceedings).

I am excited that this is the biggest question being asked by journalists now. What will the Supreme Court do and when? The answer: It's pure speculation and any proposed answer must be preceded with a measure of probability. That doesn't stop us from discussion what we know or how people behave in general.

Lets review the facts first.

Seventeen states are marrying couples right now, and two did so for a brief period of time, so 31 states have never issued any gay couple a valid marriage license.

There are 33 freedom to marry lawsuits in 20 states, under all circuits but the 11th, the two with equal marriage, and the two in DC. Four of the aforementioned circuits have appeals right now. Two of those are in for oral arguments as of this writing, and the Ninth is soon to follow. Given five months, that places decisions in the summer before the next term of the Supreme Court. There is already one adverse precedent at the 8th, and nobody knows if another adverse one will crop up somewhere else in the future, at the 6th, 5th, 8th, or 7th. Those last three are far from having appellate decisions, and definitely not this year.

A healthy majority of Americans support marriage equality. The aggregate right now hangs around 54%, and as high as 59%. There is no backlash to the recent cases whatsoever. On the contrary, attempts by Republicans to pass discriminatory laws have been met with severe backlash. So the chances that the Supreme Court will face significant public criticism is very small. In my opinion, the cultural acceptance of same sex marriage balances out the minority of states that have equal marriage now. It is sort of the opposite situation that the Lovings faced in 1967.

Putting all the facts together, they do have the opportunity to punt, but the fact remains that this issue is heavily litigated, and won't stop until the Supreme Court takes on another case. Actually, a punt would probably incite even more cases. The justices are aware of the movement's national significance, and it would be even worse if there is a circuit split. Either way I do not see them punting on the first case that gets to them.
 
I am excited that this is the biggest question being asked by journalists now. What will the Supreme Court do and when? The answer: It's pure speculation and any proposed answer must be preceded with a measure of probability. That doesn't stop us from discussion what we know or how people behave in general.

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True, but the issue is still contentious and backlash undercurrents remain.

Do you think Roberts has the moxie to round up a unanimous decision in our favor? I think of many of the Brown v. Board progeny where Warren hammered out a unanimous court just to set a firm precedent to to quash backlashes. With the extent to which Scalia has been cited is a unanimous too much to envision? (Assuming someone wakes up Thomas!)
 
True, but the issue is still contentious and backlash undercurrents remain.

Do you think Roberts has the moxie to round up a unanimous decision in our favor? I think of many of the Brown v. Board progeny where Warren hammered out a unanimous court just to set a firm precedent to to quash backlashes. With the extent to which Scalia has been cited is a unanimous too much to envision? (Assuming someone wakes up Thomas!)

No. Roberts is not fit for the job. He sits on the most politicized court in US history and the one with the laziest workload.
 
Date for summary judgment hearing in Idaho scheduled for May 5th
 
John Roberts was willing to let his lesbian cousin whom he claims to be close with and love be treated as a second class citizen by the federal government, the idea he would get a unanimous ruling on marriage equality is a laugh considering he will likely be on the wrong side of the 5-4 ruling again.
More to the point, it will be a cold day in hell before Scalia, Thomas and Alito ever agree to rule in favor of anything pro gay rights. They are bigots to the core.
 
John Roberts was willing to let his lesbian cousin whom he claims to be close with and love be treated as a second class citizen by the federal government, the idea he would get a unanimous ruling on marriage equality is a laugh considering he will likely be on the wrong side of the 5-4 ruling again.
More to the point, it will be a cold day in hell before Scalia, Thomas and Alito ever agree to rule in favor of anything pro gay rights. They are bigots to the core.

If only Pope Francis would give Alito a phone call . . . .
 
It will probably be another 5-4 ruling. I place no hope in Roberts or Alito. They are traditional hierarchical white male straight supremacy conservatives. Thomas is an Uncle Tom, while Scalia is well, Scalia...
 
It will probably be another 5-4 ruling. I place no hope in Roberts or Alito. They are traditional hierarchical white male straight supremacy conservatives. Thomas is an Uncle Tom, while Scalia is well, Scalia...

Thomas is simply an arrogant asshole who thinks he's so special that one of the prejudices others have faced would ever happen to him.
 
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