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What is new on the Gay Marriage front?

VXQZ69 said:
when do you think that'll happen?
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Which part?

The 5th Circuit will make a decision on Judge Garcia's preliminary injunction after a round of briefs and perhaps a hearing. Whatever the appeals court's decision, it will be returned to Judge Garcia for a final memorandum and order. There is no telling how long that will definitely take, but perhaps a few months, placing a final lower court decision sometime in the summer. Now I neglected to mention that there are two other Texas cases that could get decided before Garcia ever gets the chance to.

A case is going to the Supreme Court by October without question. Several appeals cases are going to be heard in April and May, putting decision time in the summer. If the high court is so inclined, it could take up a case immediately and decide it quickly, but a decision in June 2015 is more likely. For this and several other reasons, it looks like the justices will mandate marriage equality nationwide within 15 months.
 
Alnitak said:
Which part?

The 5th Circuit will make a decision on Judge Garcia's preliminary injunction after a round of briefs and perhaps a hearing. Whatever the appeals court's decision, it will be returned to Judge Garcia for a final memorandum and order. There is no telling how long that will definitely take, but perhaps a few months, placing a final lower court decision sometime in the summer. Now I neglected to mention that there are two other Texas cases that could get decided before Garcia ever gets the chance to.

A case is going to the Supreme Court by October without question. Several appeals cases are going to be heard in April and May, putting decision time in the summer. If the high court is so inclined, it could take up a case immediately and decide it quickly, but a decision in June 2015 is more likely. For this and several other reasons, it looks like the justices will mandate marriage equality nationwide within 15 months.
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I wish Australia will legalize same-sex marriage too. They are the last Anglosphere nation that has marriage inequality. It is legal in Canada, the UK, South Africa, and New Zealand.

Yes America doesn't have gay marriage, but we have it in like 22 states (& D.C.) and states like Kentucky and Oregon recognize it from out of state. And like three Tennesseans too...LOL
 
VXQZ69 said:
I wish Australia will legalize same-sex marriage too. They are the last Anglosphere nation that has marriage inequality. It is legal in Canada, the UK, South Africa, and New Zealand.
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The US, Northern Ireland, Ireland, and Australia probably will all have it in two years. Tony Abbott will be forced to relent eventually, so will the DUP in Northern Ireland.

Yes America doesn't have gay marriage, but we have it in like 22 states (& D.C.) and states like Kentucky and Oregon recognize it from out of state. And like three Tennesseans too...LOL
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Effectively it is 16 states, nine counties of Illinois, and a thousand or so marriages from Utah.

Our victories in federal court place the legal number at 21, which includes Oklahoma, Virginia, and Texas.

I am not tracking narrow issues in the courts. There are just too many such lawsuits for a sane person with a job and college work to follow every lawsuit over recognition and piecemeal rights, but I do read about them.
 
Alnitak said:
The US, Northern Ireland, Ireland, and Australia probably will all have it in two years. Tony Abbott will be forced to relent eventually, so will the DUP in Northern Ireland.



Effectively it is 16 states, nine counties of Illinois, and a thousand or so marriages from Utah.

Our victories in federal court place the legal number at 21, which includes Oklahoma, Virginia, and Texas.

I am not tracking narrow issues in the courts. There are just too many such lawsuits for a sane person with a job and college work to follow every lawsuit over recognition and piecemeal rights, but I do read about them.
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it's getting so messy. We just need to legalize it federally already!!

Cool how you know who Tony Abbott is. I follow Australian and Kiwi politics as well as US.

Whatever is the Australia/New Zealand version of an Anglophile that would be me. :lol:

You think Ireland would legalize it? That's a tough one me thinks.......
 
VXQZ69 said:
it's getting so messy. We just need to legalize it federally already!!
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Very soon. That may be obvious to some pundits now, but coming appeals victories will make that abundantly clear. It is messy, and that's one reason why I think the Supreme Court has no choice but to resolve it next year. One other reason is that there is no practical way of going back on a judiciary that emphatically, and as of June unanimously supports same sex marriage.

You think Ireland would legalize it? That's a tough one me thinks.......
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A referendum will be held next year and 76% of the Irish support same sex marriage.
 
Tony Abbott is another bigoted asshole who also has a lesbian sister, once again showing that for many of these bigots, bigotry will trump all no matter what.
As for the states, other then PA, I think you're simply going to see summary judgements done and no more trials after MI.
The court could keep punting but I don't see that happening, this issue isn't going away anytime soon.
 
Ninja108 said:
As for the states, other then PA, I think you're simply going to see summary judgements done and no more trials after MI.
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The reason why they won't is that these are not cases at first impression. Hollingsworth was. Windsor was, but not the current ones. True, the Michigan trial was probably warranted because of the developments over the last four years. We needed to shut down Regnerus hard, he went back home to a department that shamed him forcefully. I think Friedman will destroy him, and an influential opinion it will be coming from a Reagan appointee.

Because the facts are so obvious today, there really isn't a need for another trial. Judges try to avoid them if they can. Trials are expensive and taxing physically and mentally for everyone. The Republican appointees seem inclined towards trials, perhaps for formality's sake or to preserve the esteem of their position, though Heyburn in Kentucky didn't even hold so much as a hearing on any issue.

The court could keep punting but I don't see that happening, this issue isn't going away anytime soon.
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The only instance of this happening is if the courts of appeals stand unanimous. Even I admit it is a rosy prediction to make. We probably will lose a combination of the 5th, 6th, 7th, or 8th circuits. Punting in a split like this will do harm to the judiciary and its image. It will result in an even more awkward patch of laws than we have now, and even more couples will sue than we thought possible.

SCOTUS tried to punt last year, and look at the millions of dollars in litigation jamming the courts now. Cases involving all aspects of the issue now number in the 60s. The justices won't punt, because we won't let them.
 
I found these in my travels today. The URLs are very similar but 2 different stories. I also ran across another one. Ohio, I think. The part I read is "feds side with marriage" . Don't know why I didn't copy the link. Probably a good google.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/natio...31108,0,4411689.story?track=rss#axzz2wKuIFBkr

Hawaii House passes same-sex marriage bill

By Soumya Karlamangla

November 9, 2013, 2:56 a.m.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/natio...31109,0,4477226.story?track=rss#axzz2wKuIFBkr

With Hawaii vote, same-sex marriage wave continues to grow

Hawaii is poised to join the list of states to allow same-sex marriage after the state’s House of Representatives on Friday night approved a bill legalizing such unions.
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http://www.latimes.com/nation/natio...rriage-20131108,0,4411689.story#ixzz2wKwHbaYV

By Soumya Karlamangla

November 9, 2013, 1:27 p.m.

When Hawaii’s House of Representatives passed a same-sex marriage bill late Friday, the state joined a wave of activity -- mainly of lawsuits and legislation -- that has been rapidly growing since the U.S. Supreme Court struck down parts of the Defense of Marriage Act in June.
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Indeed Alnit, if the justices thought this issue was going to go away, they though wrong. The bans where you are married in one state and not another simply can't last.
 
Ninja108 said:
Tony Abbott is another bigoted asshole who also has a lesbian sister, once again showing that for many of these bigots, bigotry will trump all no matter what.
As for the states, other then PA, I think you're simply going to see summary judgements done and no more trials after MI.
The court could keep punting but I don't see that happening, this issue isn't going away anytime soon.
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Pennsylvania's getting a full trial?
 
Alnitak said:
Yes, June 9, but the length of the trial has not been set as far as I know. I will try to attend. Harrisburg is not that far from me.
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Okay yah that's what I thought. I thought Ninja was implying that it was going to be several days long like DeBoer.
 
scream4ever said:
Oregon appears poised to have marriage equality by the beginning of summer:

http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2014/03/gay_marriage_oregon_ready_to_a.html

It's now easily the most liberal state to not have same-sex marriage.
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It is an interesting dynamic between appellate and lower courts. Normally lower courts stay proceedings if an appeals court is so close to deciding the same question, but that doesn't appear to be the case here. Victory in Oregon will probably swoop in before the 9th Circuit decides Sevcik for it, so that will be yet another eloquent decision from Judge McShane and he should have the opportunity to do so. If it happened in the reverse order, he would probably just issue a one line ruling. What happens after Sevcik is decided controls the other states on the west coast obviously. The cases in Arizona and Idaho will have to be decided summarily in one line. The cases in those four states could all be lumped together in one appeal to the Supreme Court. It is the same case for the 10th and 4th.
 
I still wonder why our side didn't try to repeal the ban in 2012, I guess they felt the votes weren't there.
 
scream4ever said:
Oregon appears poised to have marriage equality by the beginning of summer:

http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2014/03/gay_marriage_oregon_ready_to_a.html

It's now easily the most liberal state to not have same-sex marriage.
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Oregon has a very vibrant -- and vicious-- "Christian" network that has only recently begun to realize they can be defeated. Having seen that organization from the inside, it didn't surprise me at all that they could twist our politics as they have.
 
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