Why don't you venture into CE&P?

[Lube]

I read that report and chills went up my spine. I posted a response. . . and then I watched as it moved down the page and off the bottom. Same thing happened with Tornados in the UK and Gays in India.

Heck, even bath houses in Texas got more attention.

Ah, but cocks?

(See photo attached.)

Well I did my part and found & replied to some of them. I just happened not to be on last night during their brief (former) lives, or I would've responded then, especially the one on the gay law in India.

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[gsdx]

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How about a pat on the back and a Fluffer Nutter?

 

[snapcat]

absolutely amazing...

a guy from CE&P just took umbrage at a post of mine and instead of just addressing the issues, he made this post

http://justusboys.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1780809&postcount=37

that stuff just isnt welcome in most of the JUB forums, and it serves as a prime example of why so many people are just plain fed up.

Well, imagine that ... someone expressing a different opinion than you! Why the nerve of the guy!

Perhaps a review of some of your more "stellar" moments in CE&P are in order ...

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1622531&postcount=59

I have no blind hatred of jews

that is ridiculous, yet totally in keeping with your ilk. its just imposible in your mind to not like the death while liking the nation, right?

YOU are the Nazi, my friend, and if you are going to throw that label around, you ought to really think about it.

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1622766&postcount=69

If I knew you, I'd call you a loser, but since i dont, I'll just assume that you haven't completed a full education. LIKE JUNIOR HIGH

YOU are acting like a fucking nutcase

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1622811&postcount=71

its absolutely amazing that you rabid neocon zionists would rather sabotage a thread designed to find common interests and beliefs than try to get along with your fellow man.

And on the subject of inclusiveness, this one post pops into mind ...

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1612781&postcount=33

I get offended that the conservative guys are often out of controll without checks and when corrected or criticized, they act like bad little children.

and then there's ....

It becomes exuasting to keep up with their rabidity.

So sorry that you find our conservative friends to be "little children" and "rabid." I certainly don't find them that way. Their speech is protected just like yours is.

And as for your newfound friends in Hot Topics ...

If you are posting without refferences or sources, then you need to go back to hot topics. If you dont know how to debate without childish antics, then just go back to hot topics.

I certainly wouldn't say that Hot Topics people don't know how to debate. Maybe they just don't want to debate, or even - heaven forbid - they may not want to debate with YOU!

Of course all of this might be a bit confusing, especially given your comments here ....

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1588392&postcount=20

we dont call each other names here

it gets in the way of real debate, and well

honestly its just plain tacky

I guess you weren't referring to your comments which are quoted above.

I'd say calling someone a Nazi, a loser, or rabid is calling someone a name - wouldn't you?

And now I'll be as equally candid as you have been.

Drew, your mission on this board is just to instigate trouble. You're smart enough to know when to back away from going too far, but you capitalize on each chance you get to be dramatic.

But the "oh poor put upon me" charade is just that - a charade. If you aren't stirring shit then you're just not happy. If the focus of the board isn't on you then you're just not happy. If someone has another opinion than yours then your just not happy.

Drew, your name has been associated with more controversy on this board than anyone else.

So please, won't you come down off of the cross ... we need the wood, dontchaknow!

 

[MidnightPrism]

So delete the posts in his defense and then attack. Now I see how this place is being run. I could understand deleting the posts to try and keep things civil but then you have the audacity to post that. Very low coming from a moderator.

 

[Andreus]

Touche Snapcat.

of course, those are all taken out of context.

people can read the quotes and understand that I was responding to attacks.

If responding to attacks is what you describe then so be it.

i will answer with my two posts from that same forum dated august 14 of this year....

one

im not leaving jub, just waiting for this forum to become sane again, before I participate in this particular one

two

My post wished you all well, and if that is worthy of an attack, then you guys need to think about the direction you are dragging this forum into

three

thanks for all the well wishes

Im not stopping posting in CE&P due to anyones behavior in particular, but due to all of our behavior.

its not about xensorship

read this thread and think about if this is normal for jub.

its not

spring and snaps are what i would consider friends, but at times the behavior here is so over the top, theres no way for them to effectively moderate.

until theres a bit of self moderation on the part of individuals, im simply not willing to jump in this mudd puddle anymore

thanks again, guys and see ya in the other JUb forums

Hugs and Kisses

and

once again folks

the behaviors of the posters in this forum are contrary to the JUB way, not in keeping with it.

the posts in this thread only highlight that.

We all have to ask the hard questions every once in a while and make the hard choices. I am not on a quest for popularity, I never have been. Honest and open ideas are too important to me for that.

on a lighter note, I most certianly am a drama queen. Arent we all. Itg is one of the few things I can say that I am one of the best at here at JUB.

Arrogant? I am quite sure of how i feel about quite a many things. If self assurance is arrogance then so be it.

respectfull? If I have anything nasty to say, I do so in private, as I know the Site owners prefer it to be. It is IMO respectful and honorable that way. False agreement is not respectfull in my culture, it is an insult. If youhave recieved a less than flattering comment from me in private, then that is why.

I will be back when my personal passions revolving around world events returns to a reasonable state, and some new rules mentioned above are instated here and enforced for a while. I would only ask that you all remember that some things are not opinions, they are personal identities.

Until then, I will be talking about nothing special in Hot topics and enjoying myself. I have made friends of many enemies by trading honest and open PMs, and if any of you are interested in that kind of resolution to personal issues, feel free to send me a PM. I will answer every one that is sent, so long as it is respectful and honestly seeks to find common ground.

Later Gaters

i have never claimed to be perfect. I am a work in progress.

I have lost my temper too many times to count, but rarely has that happened recently. in fact, the only real place that it occured within this calendar year was probably in CE&P, and that is due to the nature of the forum.

I am an anomalous person to be sure.

but to assign me intentional malice ...

well, no one can read my heart or my mind.

and so the wonderfull world just spins on and on

btw.... I did not start this thread and its amazing that you would decide that it was all on my shoulders.

 

[GL]

And now I'll be as equally candid as you have been.

Drew, your mission on this board is just to instigate trouble. You're smart enough to know when to back away from going too far, but you capitalize on each chance you get to be dramatic.

But the "oh poor put upon me" charade is just that - a charade. If you aren't stirring shit then you're just not happy. If the focus of the board isn't on you then you're just not happy. If someone has another opinion than yours then your just not happy.

Drew, your name has been associated with more controversy on this board than anyone else.

So please, won't you come down off of the cross ... we need the wood, dontchaknow!

I don't know what to say. I am really just shocked to see this and very disappointed.

 

[MidnightPrism]

Because we then get the usual screams about censorship! Dammed if you do, dammed if you dont.

I was referring to posts by vanman & myself in this thread, defending Andreus. They were deleted just prior to your assault.

 

[Sausy]

(snapcat Quote).....But the reality is what it is, and more JUBbers list our forum as the one they just won't ever read or post in, and too often it's because they feel they will be attacked. And unless we manage to draw more of an audience we run the risk of this forum being discontinued and absorbed into Hot Topics once again. I would hate to see that.


I thought that should be repeated.And I agree with it.I'm not sure how many new people were drawn in to the great political forum.Seems to me...the same angry few remain....and the repeat offenders still get a pass.

I'll be accuse of whining,but the conservative/centrist alternative presence on the board is abysmal.A few jabs here and there,some whining and there are still a few valuable posts here and there..but a good forum needs a great counterpoint.Maltese,iruishvaron and desertfalcon were able to go toe to toe with the liberal-hard lefties and stand their ground.They didn't convince the lefties,for certain,but to Jubbers out there reading to see viewpoints and perspectives exchanged,that was the real strength of these posters,present the unpopular view or perspective and let them sort it out,take the best thoughts right,center,and left.It's a great time to be a liberal,progressive,whatever you want to call it,on the board now,but it's boring as hell!

 

[snapcat]

I was referring to posts by vanman & myself in this thread, defending Andreus. They were deleted just prior to your assault.

There are no deleted posts in this thread.

 

[MidnightPrism]

There are no deleted posts in this thread.

I was wondering how long it would take you to run & see

I got lost running back & forth from the other thread about CE&P.

 

[snapcat]

Well, I'm so happy that I could provide you with a punching bag for your amusement.

I personally take deleted posts quite seriously. Had someone deleted posts to better frame an argument on here that would have been both vile and reprehensible.

You know folks, depending on the phase of the moon (it seems) you guys like to take jabs at the Fun and Games crowd and the CE&P crowd. It seems the "school boy bully" mentality is alive and well in Hot Topics.

 

[MidnightPrism]

Well, I'm so happy that I could provide you with a punching bag for your amusement.

I got confused by extremely similar topics and mistakenly thought those posts were in this thread.

A little touchy aren't you Snap. Must hurt your feelings that so many people hate CE&P.

 

[sixthson]

Actually, this is an excellent thread for discussion. It finally gets to the nitty gritty of what bothers people about CE&P. Politics will never be everyone's cup of tea, so it is quite natural that a political forum should be limited in JUBber participation.

We all have to own up to our part of what is wrong with things here. We have all baited each other, been uncivil to each other or taken things too personally...or most of us, at least.
We need to remember that our words are permanent record, as Snapcat pointed out in his posts. None of us can stir the pot and pretend to be innocent. We need to be adults and admit our part in some of these riots.

When someone gets banned or gets warning points, who is to blame? The moderators? Hell no, the poster is. A lot of slack is cut for everyone here, not just a chosen few. If we get penalized we have two choices: 1. admit our wrongdoing or 2. blame someone else. Too often, it seems, many choose number 2.

 

[Sausy]

No offense taken....Obviously your points on behavior are correct,and most posts don't have to be written for the average member of the American Enterprise Society,The Heritage Foundation or the Cato Institute...I'm not an intellectual snob by any means,and political humor and zingers are great there,more of that spirit would certainly improve the situation.I just felt frustrated those who seriously devote most of their time on the political side are liberal-left,no longer centrists or conservatives.The debate aspect of the forum,as well as the manners(OR LACK OF THEM) are the two most pressing concerns I see about CP&E.I started off thinking I'd spend most of my time there,but sees enough partisanship and gamesmanship out there,I'd just rather talk with and get to know a little better nice people in other forums,and not deal with the crap and be part of a broader community of people who in their own lives largely are probably more liberal than me in their personal politics,but we put politics secondary to friendship and communication.Hugs to my Vannie

 

[Andreus]

We all have to own up to our part of what is wrong with things here. We have all baited each other, been uncivil to each other or taken things too personally...or most of us, at least.
We need to remember that our words are permanent record, as Snapcat pointed out in his posts. None of us can stir the pot and pretend to be innocent. We need to be adults and admit our part in some of these riots.

well...

as my posts in the post following snaps indicate, i have in fact, done that.

both there and here. I have never claimed innocence. I have actually clearly stated that i dont like what i become when i post in there and you have to become that to be heard in there... so i left it behind...

out of curiousity...

what are your wrongs in those riots? since we are bearing our souls and owning up to our responsibility?

seems to me theres been a bit of yelling going on in this thread in the last ten posts or so, and really a cardinal sin of jub was broken... old issues were vented in a new thread... so...

I feel now more than ever after the turn that this thread has taken, that the ce&p forum is just broken. it is my opinion and i have stated it respectfully. Some would say that I am just so smart and crafty and that i use respectfull discussion as a sheild and tool. I disagree with that assessment.

You implied that we all have blame and should own it.

I have taken quite a few hits over the years for owning my opinions and words...

what part of the riots do you own, sixthson, my friend?

 

[Andreus]

Did Snap just say wood, as in morning wood that is!

lol

i usually have morning wood as I climb off of my cross in the morning to get ready for work

 

[sixthson]

Thats all fine and dandy....so is that part of the board now becoming an exclusive club? Should jub charge admission...to see the freak show?And...is the only way you can prosper there....is if your a political scholar? Must all jubbers that step in the ring wear full combat gear? And must we all sit daily....sucking in every political article....so we are all well versed....just so we can post a few beliefs and opinions we have.....in the great political forum.... This don't seem very inclusive...for a gay board.....not inclusive at all.Its the same repeat offenders there....that need to learn how to play by the freakin rules.End...of rant....

BTW...sausage...this has nothing to do...with you and I

I think there are a select few who would love it to be elitist.

We shouldn't need to be political scholars or have cites to back up everything, just to express our personal opinion. There are definitely threads that require that, but certainly not all. But I have been told providing cites and sources are a requirement to participate. So be it. I can abide by that, but it will limit participation even more.

I am also sure that there are those not participating in this particular thread, who are sitting back waiting to call the rest of us crybabies. Who cares? This is not about Republican/Democrat, this is about feeling free to express opinions in a public forum on politics.

 

[sixthson]

Andreus, thanks for calling me friend, even if it is insincere.

Whatever I posted about incivility and making things personal pertained to me first of all before anyone else. I can only admit my own shortcomings.
ICO7 has made the point somewhere that the threads often get dragged down into personal scuffles with one another rather than dealing with the topic or idea in the thread. It becomes a matter of personalities rather than ideas and truth. I think this is right. The topic of the thread is lost in the scuffle. It is like a professional wrestling match...fake. I can be guilty of caring less about the topic of the thread and more about seeing the crude, insulting expressions of a particular poster being exposed for what they are. I should ignore more.

I could say I get dragged down into the mire of some of these threads, but the truth is, I volitionally step into it. Don't we all have free will? We lose our integrity when we play in the mud, dontchathink?

 

[jackoroe]

I like the CE&P board because of the characters who visit there. I've seen some very well thought and documented posts by folks who I don't always agree with. I do, however, appreciate their efforts and points of view. Vanman, Centexfarmer, ICO7, ds_writer, snapcat and the infamous general_alfie (just kidding!) are among the luminaries to be found there. It is sometimes weighty discussion. It is also sometimes silly banter.

It is always something to think about. You need a thick skin and your facts and or opinions to be well in order. If you haven't stopped over at least take a look and put your two cents in.

 

[Andreus]

oh yes, Sixthson, I think

that is exactly what i said a month ago.... its in the post about ten or fifteen posts back

and my words were sincere then as me calling you a friend is now

you and i have known each other and have interacted for long enough to not pretend to be nice unless we mean it. when we disagree there is no hiding it, and when we play it is really fun. faking is not either of our ways.

that history is something that can't be traded away with any debate. we know each other and have seen the best and worst of each other.

We have EVOLVED. both as people and as people who interact.

there are those that would paint me as a diabolical and manipulative gremlin, constantly perched to jump on every vulnerablilty available. I am simply not smart enough to outsmart every collective mind at JUB. To think so gives me WAY too much power.

i am just one man with opinions that are often not mainstream who has no fear of expressing them. the real truth is that I am overly opinionated and well spoken. if that is arrogant then that is what it is. I have evolved though over time. I was once much more volatile than I am now. I had to change or die. those were my options.

CE&p must now evolve or it must go the way of the dinosaurs.