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Your opinion about Trans?

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Hi there.
I hope you all doing good today, I know this is not the best place for ask this type of question, after all, this is a gay forum but I want to read your opinions about trans people, their movement and what experiences you had with these people.

Go all out if you want to rant, I will happily read all your answers :)
 
Of the Trans people I know or have interacted with. all were nice, except one, and that's probably going to be true of any group of people.

I have no opinion of Trans people as a whole. I hope you aren't asking people to stereotype all of them. Their "movement" is the same one we all have: to assert our right to live our lives without being attacked.

I will have the back of any person who has mine. End of story.
 
Hi there.
I hope you all doing good today, I know this is not the best place for ask this type of question, after all, this is a gay forum but I want to read your opinions about trans people, their movement and what experiences you had with these people.

Go all out if you want to rant, I will happily read all your answers :)
Honestly, that's like asking "What do you think of gay people?" or "What do you think of Asians?".

Trans people are not a uniform group. It varies on a spectrum from people who like to wear clothing or assume gender roles as a fetish to those who seek medical gender reassignment.

My only reservation about the current state is that there's a very strident group of activists in that community who aren't tolerant of people's individual experience and are pushing specific solutions and treatments.
 
My only reservation about the current state is that there's a very strident group of activists in that community who aren't tolerant of people's individual experience and are pushing specific solutions and treatments.
They're just loud, the rest of the community doesn't expect them to get anywhere. I certainly don't. It's considered verboten to question someone's hrt/surgery/lack of surgery, etc. in-community unless they ask (and plenty of people do ask, fwtw). The activists who tend to go the 'specific solutions' route have a stick up their collective ass and are generally sneered at. Personally I'm more worried about the lack of bodily autonomy for both minors and adults. Since one must go thru puberty ya might as well pick the one you want.
 
I don't think I've ever met someone trans. I've met a few drag queens that can pass as female, and very pretty, too.
I guess I don't get out much.
 
I've met a few. They were older and not the kind that command you too address them this and that way. Im sorry but this pronoun shit is over done. It really comes from what I call transtrenders. I also don't think a child or their parents should transition a child when they don't know what they are and I've seen a wave of this more a few years ago than now. The restroom issue is a double edge sword. I guess biology that I understand is too sexes. Gender isnt a spectrum. That's just my opinion. Some people get off on gender fcking peoples head just so they can correct that person and like confrontation and attention. Why are people making everything more complicated than it needs to be?🤔
 
I've met a few. They were older and not the kind that command you too address them this and that way. Im sorry but this pronoun shit is over done. It really comes from what I call transtrenders. I also don't think a child or their parents should transition a child when they don't know what they are and I've seen a wave of this more a few years ago than now. The restroom issue is a double edge sword. I guess biology that I understand is too sexes. Gender isnt a spectrum. That's just my opinion. Some people get off on gender fcking peoples head just so they can correct that person and like confrontation and attention. Why are people making everything more complicated than it needs to be?🤔
Your opinion is uninformed.
 
Oh, you've prolly met several of us. We don't generally stand out past a couple/few years in.
Quite possible. I try to be a "you do you and leave me alone" person. About anyone I can think of I sort of hated were bull dykes. But they had much more than a chip of being obnoxious on their shoulder.

For what little it matters, one of my favorite movies is "Priscilla, Queen of the Desert". Bunch of good folks.
 
Your opinion is uninformed.
You see what you did? You're trying to invalidate me all fir sharing my personal opinion. I'm so uninformed? You cant even carry a conversation with your ideas of why you think I'm uninformed. Very dismissive to say that because my opinion. Lets you want your voice to be heard. But I should just shut the fck up right. How old are you? Why not enlighten me instead of one sentence dismissal? People grow from sharing ideas theories and opinions even when we don't agree. You haven't walked in my shoes just the same as I haven't walked in yours. I have met so many different people in my life and I enjoy hearing their side and about their life.So instead of slamming doors when you don't like others voices share yours so you don't come across as a close-minded child. Please do share. ✌️
 
...Personally I'm more worried about the lack of bodily autonomy for both minors and adults. Since one must go thru puberty ya might as well pick the one you want.
But that's also part of the problem. There's a lot of empiric examples but not a lot of objective research. You are correct that puberty is inevitable for the majority of people but the body matures much sooner than the brain. YouTube and TikTok have become more of a source for information because medical research has lagged behnd and in some cases, is being suppressed by the polar ends of the activists: on one extreme the most strident of the trans community who want medical solutions but don't want to be considered a medical problem; and on the other end, the evangelicals who are determined to suppress everything LGBT-related.

Your opinion is uninformed.
And this is why we are where we are. Telling someone that they are uninformed isn't accomplishing much beyond shutting down discussion. People only get informed by learning about the experience of other people but to have those exchanges, both sides have to be willing to listen and not shut down the other person.
 
And this is why we are where we are. Telling someone that they are uninformed isn't accomplishing much beyond shutting down discussion. People only get informed by learning about the experience of other people but to have those exchanges, both sides have to be willing to listen and not shut down the other person.
I disagree; when someone tells me I'm uninformed I go and do research. Considering he has no issues with stating uninformed opinions I doubt he cares overly much about any actual information I could give, like sex being a bimodality instead of the fifth-grade science he's working with of 'only two sexes!'.

Besides, his first sentence screamed ignorant ass; he apparently doesn't intend to even use the correct pronouns because Uppity Trans People Correct Him. That's not a mindset that indicates willingness to, well, learn a damn thing,

-edited to add that one may have a point about replying with info to the (I strongly suspect) willfully uninformed so that others in the wings may benefit but on this site I think most are likely already entrenched in their views.
 
"That's not a mindset that indicates willingness to, well, learn a damn thing,"

To be clearer, when the man can't even handle a pronoun correction and said he refuses to listen to trans people (Aka, me) there is no conversation to be had about his comedy of errors. He likes cis people, one of you should talk to him.
 
I disagree; when someone tells me I'm uninformed I go and do research.
That's you. If you want understanding, you should be willing to try to understand others' viewpoints, too?
 
I don't get the "pronoun" issue, either. What on earth is wrong with addressing people how they ask to be addressed? What does that cost anyone? It seems that when people object to respecting people's wishes like that, it is willful. How would any of us like people to do that to us?
 
I don't get the "pronoun" issue, either. What on earth is wrong with addressing people how they ask to be addressed? What does that cost anyone? It seems that when people object to respecting people's wishes like that, it is willful. How would any of us like people to do that to us?
It wasn't difficult when it was binary and the choices were "he" or "she". However they were presenting is how you addressed them.

I got lost when it became "zhe" and "they" and gender became ambiguous.

For those of us who didn't grow up speaking English, referring to one person as "they" or reading a news article where a unitary individual is referred to as "they" is both confusing and maddening.

It's also a little presumptuous for one group of people to dictate how language is spoken and written, contrary to the grammatical rules.
 
It wasn't difficult when it was binary and the choices were "he" or "she". However they were presenting is how you addressed them.

I got lost when it became "zhe" and "they" and gender became ambiguous.

For those of us who didn't grow up speaking English, referring to one person as "they" or reading a news article where a unitary individual is referred to as "they" is both confusing and maddening.

It's also a little presumptuous for one group of people to dictate how language is spoken and written, contrary to the grammatical rules.

Grammatical rules rule out all modern slang. Are we going to complain about that? Go back a hundred years, and half of your vocabulary and usage is ruled out by grammar.

There are no rules in grammar. just common usage that is always changing. No language on earth is static.

I'm going to call people whatever they want me to call them, if that is you being he. so be it; if it is someone calling themselves zhe, so be it.

What does that cost me?

Nothing.

I doubt that bothers you all that much, either. having read your posts over the years. People who insist on forcing their definitions on someone else, however, do indeed have an agenda. There is a difference between being confused about new pronouns and calling transwomen "he" because one is a fucking dick and refuses to believe they exist.

the person using grammar to force themselves on someone else is the person denying the existence of the other one. No calling themselves "zhe" is trying to force you to pretend "he" doesn't exist.
 
I doubt that bothers you all that much, either. having read your posts over the years. People who insist on forcing their definitions on someone else, however, do indeed have an agenda. There is a difference between being confused about new pronouns and calling transwomen "he" because one is a fucking dick and refuses to believe they exist.
You are correct. My general rule is, "As long as you aren't hurting anyone (including yourself), then you be you."

But I also don't think that anyone has the right to tell anyone else how to think, speak or feel.

A couple of examples of how confusing it all is:

The WIkipedia article for actor Nico Tortorella:
Tortorella is a native of Wilmette, Illinois, and a graduate of New Trier High School. They are of Italian descent. In May 2009, The CW ordered a 13-episode first season of the drama series The Beautiful Life: TBL.

In an October 2016 interview with Vulture, Tortorella identified as bisexual. In November 2017, Tortorella and Bethany C. Meyers (who they had been dating for 11 years) talked about being in a polyamorous relationship, a revelation that got them uninvited from their respective families' Thanksgiving dinners. Tortorella is also demisexual.

Tortorella civilly married Meyers on March 9, 2018, at a Manhattan City clerk's office before exchanging vows at St. Paul's Chapel. Tortorella announced that they are gender fluid during a video collaboration with drag queen Trinity the Tuck in the same year. Tortorella uses they/them pronouns. Tortorella and Meyers have one child, a daughter, born in 2023.
Is "they" in the second sentence referring to the graduates of New Trier High School? Is "they" in the third paragraph referring to Nico and Bethany... or just Nico?


Actor Tommy Dorfman's Wikipedia article, which in 2016 had "he" pronouns, was rewritten in 2018 to use "they" pronouns and was rewritten again in 2021 to use "she" pronouns.
Dorfman is queer. Dorfman and Peter Zurkuhlen became engaged in April 2015 and married in Portland, Maine on November 12, 2016. In July 2021, Dorfman revealed she and Zurkuhlen had divorced but remain friends.

In November 2017, Dorfman came out as non-binary and began using they pronouns. On July 22, 2021, Dorfman came out as a transgender woman and began using she pronouns. She revealed in an interview that she had already been "privately identifying and living as a woman" for almost a year. She chose to retain her birth name of Tommy, to which she feels "very connected" and which honors her mother's brother who died when Dorfman was a month old. In April 2022, Dorfman identified as a lesbian.
 
this subject is tricksie. Ive read some posts and tried to listen and be open to reframing my perspective, become more 'informed' and certainly more aware, but I also need to have reliable exposure and the chance to have conversations. TBH this kind of discussion is one of the main reasons I sought out the JUB Forums in the 1st place. (eye candy has been a huge bonus).
I can't stomach newsfeeds, because there is TOO Much information, FAKE information or SLANTED and the media are (IMO) more Spin Doctors, Info-Lobbyists, and Propagandists (I feel strongly about it, yeah).

I get made uncomfortable by the folks within our community who take such offense at innocent misgendering. I have not recognized an individual's 'preferred' pronoun accidently and received such condemnation for my lack of awareness. But people are people; I remember the times before when some folks who had hairstyles that made gender identification errors more plausible would get offended when misgendered.
 
Difficult decision for some while others not so much

"Feelings do matter"
 
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