A&E supsends racist "'Bounty Hunter' Duane 'Dog' Chapman for Racial Slur

[LiquidSky]

No surprise...Pretty much all whites say it behind closed doors.

BULLSHIT! I take offense to that asinine generalization. I do not use that vile word.

 

[kevbo]

And is being called a "whitey" the same as being called a "nigger" or any of the other racial slurs that I won't repeat regarding Jews, Asians, etc.? A white person is white. I have a problem equating being called "whitey" and the ugliness of the "n" word.

They are not on the same level, but they are both racism.

As for you having a problem equating "whitey" and "nigger," Japanese people are frequently called "Japs" in a derogatory way, does that mean that calling them that is fine? It doesn't matter what the hell the word is, what matters is the context behind it. Also, I checked the etymology dictionary, and the word nigger itself is derived from the French and Spanish words for black. So, given the original meaning of the word nigger, I truly believe that whitey is just as bad as nigger once was, and it can only get worse with the current usage of the word.

 

[Glafna]

I apologize for the stupidity of my posts, and let me explain what I meant(which I thought on and have just figured out). And although, yes I was trying to justify it, I was also trying(and failing) to try to dissolve the hostility diplomatically, and Jy_Star, to your earlier comment, I was raised by my parents and taught by my teachers to try to diplomatically resolve situations, how is that wrong?

Basically, the n-word is a derogatory term used by many to describe the general black population, which is definatly wrong. If I would ever use the word, it would be to describe the worst example of a black person, or out of intense anger directed at a black person, which may or may not be a correct usage of the word, depending on the situation.

In my opinion, as the word is in the English Language, and it will not be removed as long as racism exists, the only real option, besides systematically wiping out mankind to remove the word, is to adjust the meaning of the word, to one that suits the meaning. Basically, think purposefully stupid, disgraceful of those around them, abusive to those around them, possibly a criminal, overall a sad excuse for a black person. It is still an offensive definition, but if that definition for the word becomes commonly used, it may degrade the power behind the word. And that in itself is a key thing to remember, it's just a word.

 

[Glafna]

Keep your apology. Doubt it's sincere.

And that is why it is so hard to actually apologize to people, unless they have taken the time to get to know you, they always stick with their first impression.

Just a question, have you ever been so angry at someone, you were literally shaking with rage? That's what I was doing yesterday, I was so angry. Then I actually cried, and then, like with most instances of anger, I swallowed it, and tried to move ahead diplomatically.

And if you still doubt my honesty, I am ready and willing for you to subject me to any number of tests, from the lie detector to the 'truth serum' that may or may not exist.
All you gotta do is come up, and give me a time, date, and place, and I'll be there. I'll even pay for your gas bill or plane ticket.

 

[RobinGoodfellow]

First of all, the "you should have" was a cheap shot. And I wasn't sure of the spelling of the word and admitted up front. If that's not smart enough for your judgement, then too bad.

Yes, it was a cheap shot; then again, I'm not the one defending racist statements. And the spelling was not at issue; rather, the "duh" statement was re: it not being "honkey".

To say that some whites harbor racist thoughts about blacks is not inherently racist. It's a suspicion that blacks have about how things are run in this country. It's one thing to disagree with that statement but to call it inherently racist?

I agree that saying that SOME whites harbor racist thoughts is not inherently racist. However, saying that ALL whites harbor them and say racist things behind closed doors is, and that is inherently racist (saying that there are some racists in a population is, I feel, a given truth; saying that ALL members of a population are racists is an insult to that population). In essence, you are defending an inherently racist statement.

I don't agree with Pices' generalization, but I can understand why he made it. If anything , RG is downplaying the problem too much, an error in the other direction.

I'm hardly downplaying it; that's your job. I'm merely noting that the statement is racist. Now, had slammed Dog himself for saying it, and that he deserved to be cancelled, that would have been cool; that's a legit point. However, he made the point that the entire white segment of the population was racist; by taking it too far he went from making a legit point to a racist statement, and it's that statement that you are defending...

As for your remarks regarding Glafna, their garbled and confusing. Because of the historical use of the word, it isn't ok for a White to call a Black a nigger. You might not think it's fair but that's the way it is. And this world doesn't need White's to fight for their right to use the "n" word.

Using small words then: A word's usage shouldn't depend on the person's skin color for context. If you as a black person can use it to denote friendship, then I as a white person should also be able to use it for the same. I'm reminded of the Girlfriends episode in which one of the girl's white friends keeps using the word (or a an equiv), and one of the other girls is offended by it, even though she's using it just as a black woman would have used it. If she had been offended at the actual usage, no prob; instead she was offended that a white person was using it.

Bottom line: I'm not looking at fairness. I'm looking at a term whose very context depends on the color of a person's skin, and that makes its very usage racist, regardless of who uses it...

I think your response to the question of why "honkey' doesn't have the same power to hurt whites as "n***" to hurt blacks is shallow and glib and doesn't answer the question.

Not that glib, actually. You're just lacking historical context; almost all of the racist terms for non-blacks were pretty much drained of their power by the 70's. Only one major term remained (guess which one...), and that's because the race in question had decided to make it part of their culture as a way to do depower it rather than rejecting it outright. Thus, rather than running its course as the other terms did, it's still here...

You see what you see when you look at Blacks. I see what I see. There are some Blacks who oppose use of the n- word among themselves. Your observations don't negate mine.

I wasn't trying to negate yours; I was trying to point out how you are defending racist statements. Just by pointing out that there is a difference between the way we see black people says more about your attitude than mine.

And when has Pices Ken made good points?
Right here in this thread.

What are these points? Unless of course you mean his racist ones....

And since this has gotten ugly, I'll just say that you're sarcastic, nasty attitude only undermines the points you're trying to make.

At least I'm not the racist...

RG

 

[Glafna]

Jy_Star, very good points. But there are a few key things you should remember. Also, my apology, it was someone else who had said not to be diplomatic.

From some thinking on my part, IMO every person, due to the intake of our society, is partially racist, which I decided upon by the reactions here, and by my experiences in the world.

Just because WE don't use the word, does not mean that the rest of the world doesn't, which I pointed out in my statement, "Systematically wiping out mankind"

I am ashamed to admit it, but I would use the word in those situations, but not as a truly racial motivated use of it. The first case it would be used as a degregation of the word, and also to make the word more of an insult then a racially derogatory. In the second case, as previously said, it would be used as an insult, which is designed to either inflame or hurt the receiver.

And, unless you can see into the future and 100% guarantee that it would not work, then you cannot say for certain that it won't, although it is probably about a 1 in a million chance.

 

[falconfan]

Re: A&E supsends racist whitey.."'Bounty Hunter' Duane 'Dog' Chapman for Racial Slur

Well I'm not surprised by the responses from falcon, jy_star, latinostar(who gives a damn about your ethnicity), and the others... They will always be in denial, and bring up the most ridiculous responses, and ignore the TRUE topic of this THREAD. You always go OFF subject.. truly amazing!!

SoapSkank, I really do appreciate some of your responses, and you actually did reply to the subject at hand.. along with ljhotboy, who did bring up a great point.

Most whites will smile in your face, and will talk to you sometimes.. but marry one of their children, or date one.. TRUE colors will be revealed, that goes for the majority of whites... sorry, but that's the facts.

I didn't agree with some of what you stated, but interesting responses nonetheless. There are some good whites.

BTW where is "Glafna" he hasn't replied yet.

Dude I'm not in denial of anything. I blatantly stated that this was an actual instance of racism as is the first few lines of your post.

You're in denial about yourself. Get some help. Racism isn't just a problem among white people.

 

[-Ryan-]

If you were referring to post #43 the "H" word was not "Honkey" In fact as my new Hawaiian friend pointed out that "H" word is misunderstood by many to be derogatory but isnt.

yes, its something else

its not spelled hali, i seen another post that spelt it that way but too lazy to quote it xP

anyway, yes it is misunderstood, really, by MANY who have been called by that as deragatory, and in reality also, misunderstood by most of the people who use it themselves.

the 'h' word is haole - meaning, out of breath.

when captain cook came, hawaiians use to greet each other by standing in front of each other and inhaling and exhaling breaths. of course, captain cook didnt know that so the hawaiians called them haole...

moving forward...

since hawaii is such a multicultural place [im speaking in local terms of course], haoles most generally refer to white people. and who calls them haoles///

the rest of us. mostly asians =P sad to say, but true...

it should really only be hawaiians that use it, and it really isnt a deragatory term, although its come to be that way like cracker and such...

so i hope that clears it up a bit from a maui boi ^.^

 

[Glafna]

As I said before, where's the party gonna be?? I'll bring the booze!

 

[gabriel1]

If he was suspended, I wonder why A & E was showing a bunch of their episodes the other day?

 

[Glafna]

Or they were hit short notice and had no choice but to air the episodes because they didn't have anything to replace it with, and they would also have to make a commercial or something talking about a new "date and time" for whatever show they picked to replace Dog with.