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A Halloween Horror: 149+ Seoul Korea Revelers Crushed in Crowd Surge

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The deaths were mostly youth, some too young to have IDs.

I cannot bear to be in a huge crowd, even in a stadium. These mass deaths, often at soccer matches, just seem unimaginable.

So many grieving.

What a horror.

Another 150 were injured.

Condolences to the families of the dead.
 
I'm still trying to understand why a Halloween celebration would draw half the population of Seoul into the narrow streets of the entertainment district. While it doesn't make sense to me, the young population of the city must be starved for social contact.

 
It's all too easy to forget the huge numbers involved. There are churches in Seoul that may have 7,000 in their congregations. Massive numbers are everywhere.

This was just a busy party night in the bar district. Chaos ruled.
 
I guess I'm a bit agoraphobic. I can remember a few times at the San Gennero festival feeling overwhelmed by crowds and people bumping into me and feeling like there was no outlet.

Sad story :(
 
All the specious journalist comments talking to "experts" about "know your surroundings," and "have a plan."

Well, fuck.

There is no way to have a plan when hemmed in by 100,000 people surging into you. And knowing you're in a narrow alley or market doesn't mean anything.

It's just a horror. And telling viewers you might plan to survive such a thing borders on disrespecting the victims, as it implies unpreparedness.
 
I'm still trying to understand why a Halloween celebration would draw half the population of Seoul [/MEDIA]
If 100,000 is half the population of 10 million, 10 million is the whole population of the American Midwest.
But in a country in which one would call "neighbour" someone living ten miles away...
 
While it doesn't make sense to me, the young population of the city must be starved for social contact.
Being too young, they probably don't have access to JUB or social media in general, so they are forced to search for a life in the streets.
 
All the specious journalist comments talking to "experts" about "know your surroundings," and "have a plan."

Well, fuck.

There is no way to have a plan when hemmed in by 100,000 people surging into you. And knowing you're in a narrow alley or market doesn't mean anything.

It's just a horror. And telling viewers you might plan to survive such a thing borders on disrespecting the victims, as it implies unpreparedness.
Indeed: ride the subway, "know your surroundings," and "have a plan"; attend a concert, "know your surroundings," and "have a plan"; go to a sports event, "know your surroundings," and "have a plan"; enter a lift, "know your surroundings," and "have a plan."
 
If 100,000 is half the population of 10 million, 10 million is the whole population of the American Midwest.
But in a country in which one would call "neighbour" someone living ten miles away...

Not sure what your data source is telling you the Midwest is, but your numbers are way off, not that the numbers matter, since Edd was making a general statement, not literal.

The population of the U.S. Midwest is over 70 million souls. Ohio alone is more than 10 million.

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As for neighbor being literal, it hasn't been limited to that definition since before Jesus used it figuratively.
 
Not sure what your data source is telling you the Midwest is, but your numbers are way off, not that the numbers matter, since Edd was making a general statement, not literal.

The population of the U.S. Midwest is over 70 million souls. Ohio alone is more than 10 million.

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As for neighbor being literal, it hasn't been limited to that definition since before Jesus used it figuratively.
Don't pick on me, I was dealing with EddMark's logic and accounting methods: it's very clearly stated in my post.

In a municipality of around 10 million, 100,000 is not even clse to a huge gathering, so his metaphor of "half the population" does not make sense even as very symbolic and stretched metaphor. It's even average for a metro area half that size like BCN.

And yes, I was curious to search for the exact size: Wikipedia lists it at around 70 million, so I thought "good, as senseless a stretch as Edd's".
 
Yeah, but you did it by botching your own swag. It was clearly wrong in your post.

If minutiae matters, it matters. Being off by 60 million seems a pretty big miss for someone picking on Edd for a figure of speech.
 
As for neighbour, neighbour as in "a nice house in the middle of nowhere, USA, miles away from the next one". I have sometimes wondered how American psycho thrillers hardly ever involve the hardships of mail deliverers.
 
If 100,000 is half the population of 10 million, 10 million is the whole population of the American Midwest.
Yeah, but you did it by botching your own swag. It was clearly wrong in your post.

If minutiae matters, it matters. Being off by 60 million seems a pretty big miss for someone picking on Edd for a figure of speech.
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I was counting on someone missing the "if" and being too focused on America's greatness being belittled :LOL: ... even as a joke :roll:

I guess having added a "then" after the comma would have been of no greater help to you.

About "botched swags"... :rolleyes:
 
Yeah, but you did it by botching your own swag. It was clearly wrong in your post.

If minutiae matters, it matters. Being off by 60 million seems a pretty big miss for someone picking on Edd for a figure of speech.
As wrong as Edd considering "100,000" "half the population of Seoul". And then you go on picking on me for just playing along that same figure of speech.

If minutiae matters, it matters to read why whole comment stating very clearly that, even as a metaphor, it does not make sense to make of 100,000 gathering a more extraordinary event than rush hours in any major developed Western or Eastern city, or just any club or entertainment venue, in which supposedly very adult people must be, always according to Edd's worldview, the supposedly adults "must be starved for social contact".

What was indeed different, and I am sure you will ignore this and focus on the previous paragraph, is the gathering in very narrow alleys and yet, again, that has been happening all the time in our century of the masses, and not just in religious mass gatherings in India.

^ADD TO THE ABOVE:

: the inauguration of a new building, a market, or the street attendance of a festival like Book and Lovers Day on April 23 in BCn, before the city hall decided that people could not just be kept being packed in very narrow streets, or even wider ones, in old downtown areas.

Along with racism or inequality, mass management (not just people, its extension to the logistics involved in and related to their daily lives, from deliveries to social mandates like, say, mass vaccination) will be the issue of the new century... and I always assumed that the solution will come rather "naturally", with people avoiding "herding" themselves in their daily life choices.
 
From the very first moment during the breaking news treatment of the incident, it was reported that attendants had expressed concern in the social media about "not feeling safe" because of the packing in narrow ways.

It still seems very easy to dismiss it all as some "youth" thing, "starved for social contact" as if clubbers, or people dining out or watching a filn in theaters instead of at home would be any different... let alone when they do gather in the ten thousands up to 100,000 in a sports competition event, in which they DO need to be there together "cheering" for or against (remember how sad felt the teams being forced to play without any attendance in the stands).

It can be argued that there are already safety protocols for those occasions, which only proves that they ARE as dangerous that of the incident: what was different in the Itaewon case is that it was an unexpected venue. Still, even when in a more controlled context, as common mass gatherings in dense old urban areas in, say, Europe, you are always risking a stampede, because you do not necessarily need "young people starved for social contact" for something or "someone" to trigger such an event.
 
Again, the mark of our times: there had been an increase in police agents, they were prepared... but they were surpassed and, most important, there was no clear protocol for an informal situation in which there is no definite plan and promoter. The mass devouring itself... and the authorities by-standing as impotently as the rest of society.


That sort of situation is only cared about when there is profit involved: otherwise, you are left to luck.
 
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