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About the 'gay cure' thread...

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Anyone else a little disappointed that 30% here would either consider taking the 'cure' (what a f*cking word) or definetly would take it?

I'm glad a good number would NOT but to have 3 in every ten give it serious thought is quite disheartenting.

I guess all people have their own situations. Maybe some posters have families or parents who don't understand, but it is absolutely NOT their problem. Society needs to catch up.

I hope one day such a poll would barely even lift 5%.

People are always wanting to change themselves too. If I could take a pill that give me raven hair instead of light brown and would make me 6' instead of 5' 9" then yeah I'd take those.

But being gay is part of our souls. It's not for changing.

Could some of the people who said 'Yes' explain why. No judgements from others.:confused:
 
Mind you, that's all Old Testament. And we know what else is in the Old Testament, don't we?

The whole idea of the New Testament was a simple update of the Old, with newer, simpler, more relevant rules that would stand the test of time that the Old rules did not. Bearing false witness, coveting, the sabbath, these rules are flouted by perfectly good people every day, so the rules have been changed (for the better).

Anyway, this is how we were created. If I might say to you, I wouldn't worry what God thinks of gay people, but what he thinks of how we all treat each other and do or not do.
 
I never answered the poll but my thoughts are this. I accept that I am gay and don't want to change that. But if I had of had the choice to be straight from birth - I would be sorely tempted to say yes. I would have made life that little bit easier!
 
actually, that's not all old testament, the new testament also condems homosexuality, says it's an abonomation. and that they won't enter the kingdom of god. i got rid of my bible and other bibical literature when i decided that a god that ceated me gay and condems me for it isn't a just god.
sorry, don't me to offend anyone
 
I'll take the pill.

No, homosexuality isn't something that needs to be cured nor is it some kind of disease; it's just that life would be so much easier. I don't see being gay as an advantage verses being straight. I see it as something that was thrust upon me.
 
I would take the pill. Because I feel like its a flaw, a mutant gene, something that went wrong. Guys are suppose to like girls, its as simple as that - that is how we were intended to be in order for life to continue and evolve. The first step to recovery is acceptance. I've come to accept who I am and will admit I'm not perfect. I want to better myself and be normal like everyone else. If the pill is ever available to the public, I'll be the first one in line. I find comfort in this forum because there are others like me, all in diff stages and dillemas. A lot of you will disagree with me, but Im sure many can relate. To each their own...

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To say that is to say that there is a right and wrong, and that would simply be wrong. There is only different, and things that occur more than others. Just because we are supposed to evolve that does not mean that everyone was given that task. Some of the most intelligent people in the history of the world did not have children, were possibly gay, their addition to the world was something different. Not all straight couples decide to either, they have something else to bring to the world.

Everyone is unique in their own way. 10% of the population is also left handed..is that some sort of issue? Its not normal, its only 10% of the pop. We dont really discuss it much because its the fuckin hand you like to use more, but its the same concept.

The point is, you have to accept yourself. There are people in this world who may hate you for your skin colour, how you look, how much you weigh, what you wear, how you speak, and yes, who you have sex with...but that is also how the world works. We all evolve as we become less ignorant.
 
To be honest I would'nt take it

I'm gay and I wouldn't change that for ANYTHING.
 
I appreciate the life I have because I'm gay and the perspective it's given me, bad times de damned, so I often find it sad that some people would choose a life free of enlightenment from a perspective of life and settle for the banality and 'safety' of being in the majority.
 
Could some of the people who said 'Yes' explain why. No judgements from others.:confused:

Well...

I call myself bisexual because I don't know where I fit in - I have strong physical feelings for both guys and girls. I have enjoyed intimate, although few, experiences with both. So what am I - gay, straight-curious, or the elusive (and largely mythical, according to those in the know who view it merely as a transitory state) bisexual?

A confounding factor - I have only met girls whom I would like to spend an eternity with. I have not met any guys who I could see as a long-term prospect or a soul mate. I can't see myself falling in love with a guy at all. I have dozens of guy friends but they just don't do it for me, as it were.

There are two girls in particular I have loved and lusted after at various stages in my almost-30 years. In both cases it was their intellect and personality which drew me, not their bodies - I never managed anything physical with either of them. But were either of them to call me up out of the blue right now and suggest we run off together, I would do it in flash.

Personally, if someone could find a biological reason for my seemingly-mismatched neural connections, which implies it could be corrected if I wanted it to be corrected, I would embrace it. For my own piece of mind more than for anything else.

Incidentally, this is the first time I have ever spoken of this to anyone. I guess in a way it's a coming out of note.

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I appreciate the life I have because I'm gay and the perspective it's given me, bad times de damned, so I often find it sad that some people would choose a life free of enlightenment from a perspective of life and settle for the banality and 'safety' of being in the majority.

I agree! As Ally McBeal once said "Who wants to be normal?!?!"

joeslifenewyork said:
You ever considered that some people just dont want to be gay. Even if friends family and society approve, some people just want to be straight and not gay.

Some people WANT the wife and 2.4 kids lifestyle as opposed to the single gay mans lifestyle.

I do appreciate this and it is a reasonable desire. However my opinion is that desire is a result of a conditioning process from straight parents and straight media that makes the person think want to be like the norm.

It is in our nature to love men (those of us who are gay anyway). It is not some affliction that happened along while we were walking the straight road and diverted us from normality. I think the potential was always inherent in us and it is the straight desires that are being imposed on us.

I wanted the whole 2.4 kids and wife, but when I realised I preferred men I also realised that a wife and kids was not realistic for me. A pill would be an intrusion to our true nature.

This is just my opinion. I could be totally wrong.
 
I'm actually surprised the percentage of people who would take a cure wasn't higher. Personally I wouldn't now, but a year ago I would have. Life can be that bit more difficult for guys because they are gay and this is especially true for those in the teenage years, who are confused and anxious about it. It's all very well for us to say "it's society that needs to catch up," but it hasn't yet.
 
Yes, that is a disappointment. I'm pretty happy inside my own body--- I wish everyone felt that kind of ease with themselves.
 
I was not surprised that so many would take a "straight pill," only saddened. I didn't spend much time in the original poll thread because I knew from past experience that I'd get upset by the positive responses.

One of the things I've learned during my time here on JUB is just how different we all are, and the validity of opinions that I've never previously understood. Wanting to not be gay is certainly a valid standpoint, and I am learning to understand it, where in the past I would have summarily condemned such an attitude.

However, in many explanations of "Why I'd take the pill," I see two myths constantly recurring: Biblical proscription of homosexuality, and the belief that heterosexual life is "easier." Neither are true.

First, on the Bible: the OT describes homosexual behavior as an abomination, not a sin. An abomination is a ritual uncleanness... non-kosher food, mildew, running sores, and a bunch of other weird things are all abominations, and trafficking in any of these things makes you ritually unclean and unable to enter the Temple until a certain number of animal sacrifices are made. However, the Abominations were nullified by the ultimate sacrifice, the crucifixion of Christ. The Ten Commandments are upheld and summarized in the New Testament, but ritual law is completely irrelevant.

The NT does not mention homosexuality per se... those three or four modern versions of the Bible that contain the word "homosexuality" are plainly and simply misinterpreted. The bulk of the New Testament was written in Greek, you see, and the Greeks did not have a word for homosexuality... they took the whole thing rather for granted, they didn't even need to describe it; the word "homosexual" was itself was not even coined until the late 19th century.

None of the proscriptions against sexual behavior are contained in the teachings of Christ, only in the Epistles of Paul. Paul was against all sex, by the way, not just adultery and fornication but even non-reproductive sex for married couples. He believed and taught that complete chastity and celibacy was the best and most righteous manner of life; for those who simply could not control themselves, marriage and child-bearing were the second-best route.

Furthermore, most of the specific mentions of sexual proscription are concentrated in his letter to the church at Corinth, which was the ancient world's version of Las Vegas... a city dedicated to Venus/Aphrodite, in which sex played an enormous role in public life. It was a common practice for the citizens of Corinth to have sex with temple priests and prostitutes (male or female) on festival days and to curry favor with the goddess, and it was this practice that has been translated in later versions as "homosexuality."

For more information on this, check out this page at the Metropolitan Community Church website. FYI.

Now, about straight life being easier... I never really realized before how difficult it is to be gay in other parts of the world. I live and have always lived in a metropolitan area beside an international gay mecca, and it's fairly easy to be gay here... not a walk in the park, by any means, I still deal with homophobia and prejudice, even in my own family; but we don't have a lot of powerful churches here, and politicians daren't rile us. But I see now that my life would have been even harder if I had been brought up in the Great Plains or the Deep South, or some small town where I was the "Only Gay in the Village." It wasn't until I started participating in JUB that I really came to understand what you guys who don't live in big enlightened cities go through.

Nevertheless, while it is certainly easier to be straight than gay in these places, the tone of people who say they would take the Straight Pill is one that seems to allow this difficulty... as if homophobia were right somehow, as if people were entitled to make life difficult for us.

See, it's not the homosexual lifestyle that is difficult: it is the ignorance and hatred of people who don't understand homosexuality and don't care about anyone different from themselves who make life difficult for us.

We are not in the wrong, they are. I cannot stress that enough.

And really, straight life isn't any easier than gay life. Everybody's life is hard. One life may look harder than another from the outside, but each person's life is individual and on a certain level incomprehensible to anyone but that individual. We cannot know the pain that people who look like they have everything go through every day... it's the same pain that everyone else feels, it's just stimulated by different situations.

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, you know. And just because someone isn't being actively persecuted by the Religious Right and our own government doesn't mean that they don't have just as many sorrows and troubles as the rest of us.

So think about that before you volunteer for any ex-Gay studies, m'kay?(*8*)
 
It's kind of a moot point. there's no cure and there never will be.

But that being said... there's so many people who think that being straight would make life easier.

They're wrong.

I know lots of gay and straight people who all think that if they could change that ONE thing.. life would be better.

I used to think that if I was a bit better looking or a bit taller or a bit thinner or better at Volleyball that I'd be happier in life.

Maybe if I liked Gin and not beer.

But life sucks for people who blame their unhappiness on something out of their control... it's easier for them to throw their hands up and say "I can't do anything about it and it's why my life sucks".. they dont' have to get up off their asses and do anything but complain.

Live is about living. Life is a game that you can't win if you don't play.
 
If gay were okay now, I feel like some of these pro-cure guys wouldn't take the cure. But don't they get that the whole idea of society now and later isn't about us, it's about them? So we were never the issue in the first place.
 
actually, that's not all old testament, the new testament also condems homosexuality, says it's an abonomation. and that they won't enter the kingdom of god. i got rid of my bible and other bibical literature when i decided that a god that ceated me gay and condems me for it isn't a just god.
sorry, don't me to offend anyone
Let me see if I can say this loud enough for all of you to hear:

THE BIBLE DOES NOT CONDEMN HOMOSEXUALITY !!
I've studied the Bible in the original Hebrew & Greek for more than 25 years, and I can tell you that the English-language scriptures are mistranslations. Don't believe me? Read this essay I wrote for recovering GLBT Jehovah's Witnesses. Fair enough?

 
Straight people have no creativity, imagination or anything like that (especially once they get married/have kids), so somebody else has to do it!

Come now. Plenty of creative people may be gay, but there are just as many who are not. I can think of dozens of musicians and writers and artists who are straight without having to put much thought into it at all.


It's shameful to see how many people on JUB hate themselves so much.

And I'm not sure I hate myself, either. I merely find my own physical and emotional responses to stimulus confusing and paradoxical, which gives rise to uncertainty and a few questions.

Beyond that, I am quite comfortable in my skin.

-d-
 
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