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Am I stupid or what??!!

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Some of you might have read my previous thread – long story short - met a guy, fell for him, he told me he had a bf, I felt like I was being used as a ‘backup’.......but in the end, we still talked a lot and somewhat remained as ‘friends’.

I know many people have advised against being ‘friends’ but I just felt like I couldn’t leave him because he seemed genuine in needing a friend who could understand him, whom he could just let everything out, be there to support him – and I ain’t trying to be saint, but I felt like I could do that for him and he had acknowledged that.

So for the past 2 days, I have been telling myself there is nothing more to us than just friends. He had asked me to hang out today which I did and I went out with no expectations, and I felt I could really control myself from thinking that it is still possible. I wasn’t down or anything and it seemed like we had a good time and I came home not feeling sad or anything, unlike last week.

I went to his place and the conversation touched on his bf. So, he started letting it all out – telling me how he is always drunk, how he has been really sarcastic him and controlling, how the bf did not seem to have the will to take care of the visa paperwork to move over here (it’s been 2 years), the list goes on. I was sympathetic with him but I refrained from making judgments or making him think that I’m still into him. All I said was “maybe he had his reasons, maybe he is stressed with work, you need to give him time, it’s all coming together, it will be OK, bla bla bla”. He was frustrated, I could tell and I didn’t think he was telling me all that to lead me on, on purpose.

We went out and I drove. We would talk and laugh, and he has touched/squeezed me on my legs twice while I was driving. I didn’t respond. He kept on telling me that I’m very special because I could see him anytime, I am welcome to drop in at his place at anytime, how he usually would not respond to his friends’ requests immediately (like if they needed help getting a document or something but he would do it for me in a heartbeat – which he did today!). We talked about his bf a little bit on the road.

Then, we went back to his place and sat aimlessly in front of the computer, listening to music. Then, I suggested that he tell his bf to read this particular book about accepting him being gay and how it had helped me to accept myself several years ago. He didn’t really seem interested. Not long after, I told him I should go. He said “What about my laundry? You promised to iron my clothes.” LOL. I said “You didn’t remind me earlier” and he said “Well, I shouldn’t have to.” Then he quickly went to grab his ironing board and took out those stuff he wanted ironed. I worked through it while he did some real work on the computer. He asked if I needed a massage or anything while I was ironing and I said “No thanks.

Ironing done in 45 minutes,and I said I should leave but we ended up talking for another 30 minutes! He gave me a big long hug before I left and as I walking out the door, he asked me “did you leave your heart behind?” I laughed and said “I don’t know”.

Am I being stupid???
 
Stupid? No. But you are teasing yourself. And I don't understand why you are ironing for him. If this friendship is leaving you frustrated it isn't good for you. If you are there because you remain hopeful you need to be careful as to not hurt yourself. I hope you are making other efforts to meet people.
 
Why are you being his maid? Is there some reason he can't iron his own damn clothes?

This guy sounds like a user.

...You are so wonderful, so great, I could love you forever...or at least as long as you do my laundry...

Hell no. Be his friend fine, but don't pick up his chores while you're at it, and if he doesn't like wrinkles, he can do something about it himself.
 
... telling me how he is always drunk, how he has been really sarcastic him and controlling, how the bf did not seem to have the will to take care of the visa paperwork to move over here (it’s been 2 years), the list goes on...

It's not unusual for a person to bitch to their friend(s) about their boyfriend/girlfriend.

What makes this different is that he seems to want to be more than just friends with you. That puts you in the difficult position of being the sympathetic friend who benefits with the dissatisfaction.

It just seems that anywhere this could go doesn't have a good outcome for you. You're investing a lot in a relationship that is not going to return anything on your investment.
 
I'm not trying to defend him or anything, nor do I actually like doing chores but I only did it for him because we kinda joked about it the night before. We didn't talk about it while we were hanging out but I just felt like it was an excuse to keep me there longer.

I initially said "Awww, I'll come back and do it sometime this week". This sounds weird but, I could feel some sadness in him so for some reason, I ended staying and ironing.

And then when I was done, I told him I should get going for the second time, and he came up with all these questions about how to care for clothes and bla bla bla. Now that really made me feel like he was really trying to keep me for longer!

I am not sure if I am frustrated with him. I do sympathize him but at the same time, I would be lying if I said that I was 100% over him already.

What makes this different is that he seems to want to be more than just friends with you. That puts you in the difficult position of being the sympathetic friend who benefits with the dissatisfaction.

This is exactly what I feel, and perhaps is also my greatest fear.

He has reminded me way too many times that I'm a great friend, a very special friend and at times, I have caught him giving me that "look" or "stare". I don't know what to think of it so I tried to ignore it as best as I can.

Last night, after seeing him in the afternoon, I was talking with him on MSN. I brought up the topic of his bf's sexuality and I said "here are some articles that he should read" but he kept on insisting that his bf is "just procrastinating". I urged him to refrain from judging until he knows what really is going on.

Then his bf came online and he talked to him. I said I should leave but he told me not to - he said "please don't leave me". Although he was chatting with him, he was still very quick to respond to me......most of my other friends would take forever when they are on MSN with their bf/gf. Anyway, in the end, I told him I had to go to sleep while he was still talking and we wished each other goodnight and I logged off.

Maybe I am just reading into his words and actions a little too much but I just can't help it.
 
>>>Maybe I am just reading into his words and actions a little too much but I just can't help it.

You can. But you choose not to.

Lex
 
Some of you might have read my previous thread – long story short - met a guy, fell for him, he told me he had a bf, I felt like I was being used as a ‘backup’.......but in the end, we still talked a lot and somewhat remained as ‘friends’.

I know many people have advised against being ‘friends’ but I just felt like I couldn’t leave him because he seemed genuine in needing a friend who could understand him, whom he could just let everything out, be there to support him – and I ain’t trying to be saint, but I felt like I could do that for him and he had acknowledged that.

So for the past 2 days, I have been telling myself there is nothing more to us than just friends. He had asked me to hang out today which I did and I went out with no expectations, and I felt I could really control myself from thinking that it is still possible. I wasn’t down or anything and it seemed like we had a good time and I came home not feeling sad or anything, unlike last week.

I went to his place and the conversation touched on his bf. So, he started letting it all out – telling me how he is always drunk, how he has been really sarcastic him and controlling, how the bf did not seem to have the will to take care of the visa paperwork to move over here (it’s been 2 years), the list goes on. I was sympathetic with him but I refrained from making judgments or making him think that I’m still into him. All I said was “maybe he had his reasons, maybe he is stressed with work, you need to give him time, it’s all coming together, it will be OK, bla bla bla”. He was frustrated, I could tell and I didn’t think he was telling me all that to lead me on, on purpose.

We went out and I drove. We would talk and laugh, and he has touched/squeezed me on my legs twice while I was driving. I didn’t respond. He kept on telling me that I’m very special because I could see him anytime, I am welcome to drop in at his place at anytime, how he usually would not respond to his friends’ requests immediately (like if they needed help getting a document or something but he would do it for me in a heartbeat – which he did today!). We talked about his bf a little bit on the road.

Then, we went back to his place and sat aimlessly in front of the computer, listening to music. Then, I suggested that he tell his bf to read this particular book about accepting him being gay and how it had helped me to accept myself several years ago. He didn’t really seem interested. Not long after, I told him I should go. He said “What about my laundry? You promised to iron my clothes.” LOL. I said “You didn’t remind me earlier” and he said “Well, I shouldn’t have to.” Then he quickly went to grab his ironing board and took out those stuff he wanted ironed. I worked through it while he did some real work on the computer. He asked if I needed a massage or anything while I was ironing and I said “No thanks.

Ironing done in 45 minutes,and I said I should leave but we ended up talking for another 30 minutes! He gave me a big long hug before I left and as I walking out the door, he asked me “did you leave your heart behind?” I laughed and said “I don’t know”.

Am I being stupid???

Honestly?

It sounds to me like this guy really needs a friend, and that you need to keep maintaining your boundaries! ..|

There's a reason why you keep asking yourself all of these questions (and us), and that's helping you to keep it "real" with this guy.

You're not stupid!

Not in the least. I think that what you're looking for here is validation for your own feelings, for what your heart and mind are already telling you. (*8*)

You're doing good, I'm proud of you. :kiss:
 
Honestly?

It sounds to me like this guy really needs a friend, and that you need to keep maintaining your boundaries! ..|

There's a reason why you keep asking yourself all of these questions (and us), and that's helping you to keep it "real" with this guy.

You're not stupid!

Not in the least. I think that what you're looking for here is validation for your own feelings, for what your heart and mind are already telling you. (*8*)

You're doing good, I'm proud of you. :kiss:


Thank you texpatriot. (*8*)

While I don't feel as depressed as my previous breakups or failed relationships, I must admit that I don't really know what my heart and mind are telling me right now. I'm definitely trying to be a good friend for someone who is need, yet at the same time, there is this little piece of me that is hoping for something more.

I saw him on MSN this morning and this is what confuses me all the more......

Him: Good morning
Me: Good morning
Him: I have been thinking of you this morning
Me: Awww.....thanks
Him: I'm serious
Me: I didn't say you were not.

And I quickly changed the topic.......I knew that he had a chat with his bf last night so we talked about that. Apparently, it did not go too well, and his bf had been very sarcastic with him again so there was no conclusion.

And then the conversation turned to sex. He kept on asking me if he was attractive enough for me, if he was fat and why didn't I comment or made a move on him when he stripped and changed while I was in his room yesterday (!oops!).

I had to tell him many times that he was hot and good looking and he even jokingly ask if I would rape him?! :eek: I answered "Rape is a crime. I would love to sleep with you and make love to you but my respect for your relationship is far greater than my desires and urges".

I don't know if I should have said that, but oh well, it's been said.

The thought that he could be a player and was really only looking for sex did cross my mind......but......would someone want to go through such lengths to get laid?? I'm not even half as good looking as he is, and I'd be very confident to say that he would any guy he wants on the dancefloor to go home with him!
 
I'll be over on the side having coffee...
 
One last shot, you don’t know what he actually said to his boyfriend, nor do you know how his boyfriend is actually behaving. Nothing you posted about him makes me think he’s scrupulously honest. He’s attempting to manipulate your feelings while you do his laundry. I can’t say it plainer than that.

He hasn’t had to go to many lengths at all, you put yourself in his path, he plays his games, and you do his chores, you stroke his ego, you present the opportunity. Do you see that pattern? Eventually, he’ll play his games while you get him off. Do you really want to go there?

If he was your friend, he wouldn’t try to string you along while dating someone else. If he was your friend, he wouldn’t make heavy handed insinuations while telling you his BOYRFRIEND was an ass. If he was your friend, he wouldn’t use you to do his housework. If he was your friend he wouldn’t try and drag you into his drama.
 
Look, you know where your lines are. And he presumably does too. And if not, it doesn't hurt to lay it down in black and white.

"I like you. I'd love to have sex with you. But you're in a relationship, and I don't have sex with people in relationships. That's a line I don't cross. And, in fact, the fact that you keep nudging me to do so even though you're in a relationship makes me think less of you, and thus makes me less likely to go to bed with you even if you WEREN'T in a relationship."

And stop spending so much time with him. The first thing they tell addictive gamblers is "don't go to the casino".

Off to pick up some scones and lemon curd.

Lex
 
"[STRIKE]I like you. I'd love to have sex with you. But[/STRIKE] you're in a relationship, and I don't have sex with people in relationships. That's a line I don't cross. And, in fact, the fact that you keep nudging me to do so even though you're in a relationship makes me think less of you, and thus makes me less likely to go to bed with you even if you WEREN'T in a relationship."

Corrected. (grin)
 
I hate to say this, but in my experience I've found it to be true:

No matter how hot this guy is to you, no matter how cute he is, or how many guys that he can "pick up on the dance floor," there's somebody somewhere that's sick and tired of his shit!

Have you ever wondered why it took his boyfriend two years to get his paperwork together for his visa?

Maybe his boyfriend's heart has some reservations about putting out the effort for little return.

I'm just saying, that with the information that you already have, how could you honestly trust this guy?

Be a friend, but I can't help but think that you deserve better.

I'm not saying, I'm just saying. (*8*)
 
You don't live in Miami, do you?

This sounds eerily familiar.

Anyhoo, yeah, I think he's keeping you around just-in-case. Thought, from the outside, he would seem to me to be codependant and possible thrives on the situation he has with his bf.
 
Have you ever wondered why it took his boyfriend two years to get his paperwork together for his visa?

Maybe his boyfriend's heart has some reservations about putting out the effort for little return.

Hmmm.....it has never crossed my mind but you do have a point!
 
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