"And the sky's the limit." The story behind Star Trek: TNG's finale, "All Good Things".

[Willie Boy]

Yeah, Enterprise could have been wonderful, but along with many others the only way I could tolerate it was by deciding it was in some alternate universe, since crap kept coming along that couldn't possibly have been in Kirk's past.

Except Kirk wouldn't be born for a couple hundred years or so. It wasn't meant to be in Kirk's past, but the beginning of Star Fleet and the forming of the Federation. I found it to be an interesting look into that. That ship wasn't even the same ship as Kirk's Enterprise.

 

[Kulindahr]

Except Kirk wouldn't be born for a couple hundred years or so. It wasn't meant to be in Kirk's past, but the beginning of Star Fleet and the forming of the Federation. I found it to be an interesting look into that. That ship wasn't even the same ship as Kirk's Enterprise.

Um, the forming of Star Fleet and the Federation were by definition in Kirk's past. But the only way to fit that show with Kirk is to say it was a different universe.

 

[Kulindahr]

My problem with "Enterprise" and "DS-9" were the WAY too long Story Arc's.

Now I'm going to have to go back and watch DS-9 all the way through again -- I don't remember any too-long story arcs.

 

[borg69unimatrix]

Now I'm going to have to go back and watch DS-9 all the way through again -- I don't remember any too-long story arcs.

I found the whole DS9 war with the Gem'Hadar and the Changelings to carry on way too long.

 

[ElmosToe]

^the Dominion war.

There needs to be consensus and a movie about the origins of the Borg.
Then get seven of nine in there somewhere.

still jack off to Jeri Ryan.

 

[borg69unimatrix]

^the Dominion war.

There needs to be consensus and a movie about the origins of the Borg.
Then get seven of nine in there somewhere.

still jack off to Jeri Ryan.

Cell phone/internet addiction. They created more and more technology to stay "connected", eventually implanting the tech... thus the collective was born.

 

[Willie Boy]

Um, the forming of Star Fleet and the Federation were by definition in Kirk's past. But the only way to fit that show with Kirk is to say it was a different universe.

Not at all. The show fit into the history of Star Fleet. But Kirk's past would be those things which happened in his lifetime. Beyond that it is somebody else's past and not his. An individual's past begins when he/she is born.

 

[Kulindahr]

Cell phone/internet addiction. They created more and more technology to stay "connected", eventually implanting the tech... thus the collective was born.

I've read articles from "futurists" who say that's our destiny.

OTOH, there are those who think that each person's brainwaves are as individual as fingerprints or retinas, which would make a collective a bit outside possibility.

 

[borg69unimatrix]

Archer's universe did have more tech and capabilities than it should have according to Roddenberry's original vision, the earlier cannon history and tech manuals. Archer also ran into more alien races than he should have. That's the problem with predating Kirk so far as it would have been mostly unrecognizable to casual Trek fans... they had to add the tech and aliens fans were used to to make it recognizably Trek. Kirk should be about 80-100 + years after Archer.

 

[borg69unimatrix]

I've read articles from "futurists" who say that's our destiny.

OTOH, there are those who think that each person's brainwaves are as individual as fingerprints or retinas, which would make a collective a bit outside possibility.

AM, FM, UHF, VHF, cell phones, cordless phones, ham radio, CB's ... all operate on separate frequencies. You just need the right receiver to listen.

 

[Kulindahr]

Archer's universe did have more tech and capabilities than it should have according to Roddenberry's original vision, the earlier cannon history and tech manuals. Archer also ran into more alien races than he should have.

That kind of sums it up.

 

[Native Son]

Sounds fun.

 

[Kulindahr]

AM, FM, UHF, VHF, cell phones, cordless phones, ham radio, CB's ... all operate on separate frequencies. You just need the right receiver to listen.

It's not a matter of frequency, but of the brain's equivalent of "machine language" in computers. Unless something has come to light that I missed, each brain essentially "writes" its own code, so the signals from any given brain will be unique. In essence, every brain has its own language, so even if you know the "frequency", all you'll hear is gibberish when you tune in. It's possible we may find out that there's a basic root language we all have in common, but unless we do, nothing like telepathy is happening.

 

[Willie Boy]

It's not a matter of frequency, but of the brain's equivalent of "machine language" in computers. Unless something has come to light that I missed, each brain essentially "writes" its own code, so the signals from any given brain will be unique. In essence, every brain has its own language, so even if you know the "frequency", all you'll hear is gibberish when you tune in. It's possible we may find out that there's a basic root language we all have in common, but unless we do, nothing like telepathy is happening.

But your hypothesis would allow for such things as twin telepathy..... Being as they were essentially one person their brains would have similar code. At least to begin with. As they mature their brain activity begins to individualize and that is borne out in marked diminishing of the proverbial "twin telepathy" until, in adulthood it almost passes as having been merely imagined. Even if you are incorrect about each brain having its own code it would be back to simple brainwave frequency.... And that would still suggest some form of "twin telepathy", not so much as actual telepathy (in reading each others minds), but as an picking up each others signals. And with the rare occurrences of "reading someone else's thoughts", that could be simply that - for the moment - the persons are simply on the same mental wavelength.

 

[Kulindahr]

But your hypothesis would allow for such things as twin telepathy..... Being as they were essentially one person their brains would have similar code. At least to begin with. As they mature their brain activity begins to individualize and that is borne out in marked diminishing of the proverbial "twin telepathy" until, in adulthood it almost passes as having been merely imagined. Even if you are incorrect about each brain having its own code it would be back to simple brainwave frequency.... And that would still suggest some form of "twin telepathy", not so much as actual telepathy (in reading each others minds), but as an picking up each others signals. And with the rare occurrences of "reading someone else's thoughts", that could be simply that - for the moment - the persons are simply on the same mental wavelength.

Identical twins, if given implants at birth that could talk to each other, could very well become telepathic that way -- although it would risk them growing up as essentially one person in two bodies.

The only way for the rest of us to do it would also be with implants at birth, and training in using them, by thinking, to manipulate a common language, so we would be able to perhaps send the mental equivalent of text messages through a central computer... IFF the computer had followed development from birth and could thus send to an implant and not merely receive.

Still, it would be nice to be able to text someone with a thought.......

 

[borg69unimatrix]

Even with something like these, which I see as within our future capabilities, would bring us that much closer to being tied in to a "Collective".

http://kcida1.blogspot.com/2010/07/bionic-contact-lens.html