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On-Topic Did Obama Just Throw The Entire Election Away?

Jack Springer

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The first three paragraphs of the article spell it all out.

The Pew poll is devastating, just devastating. Before the debate, Obama had a 51 - 43 lead; now, Romney has a 49 - 45 lead. That's a simply unprecedented reversal for a candidate in October. Before Obama had leads on every policy issue and personal characteristic; now Romney leads in almost all of them. Obama's performance gave Romney a 12 point swing! I repeat: a 12 point swing.

Romney's favorables are above Obama's now. Yes, you read that right. Romney's favorables are higher than Obama's right now. That gender gap that was Obama's firewall? Over in one night:

Currently, women are evenly divided (47% Obama, 47% Romney). Last month, Obama led Romney by 18 points (56% to 38%) among women likely voters.
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Who knows what will happen in the next fours weeks -- the tide could easily turn the other way -- we have two unusual men running for president.

You can't blame anyone but Obama for his performance.

I read in a NYT article that his campaign management was already plotting the new strategy during the debate -- while he was still on the stage.

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http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/10/did-obama-just-throw-the-entire-election-away.html
 
It just goes to show how many people value form over substance. It wouldn't be the first time gullible people were swayed by a smooth talking con artist politician.
 
It is silly to think that a failed Presiident like Obama can be reelected. In a few years the welfare class will be able to rule and ruin the country, but not yet.
 
The Dems response should've been:

1 debate - 2 + VP more
Take your lumps
Give your opponent his due

Anything else and you're denying the truth
Pre Poll also had 60-22 Romney debate win

Instead:
Romney is a liar
Stupid people couldn't see past the lies

It's not true and worse its bad POLITICS

They're stealing a page from the Romney play book
 
Sullivan has been clutching his pearls and hyperventilating that Obama "lost the election in one night" since just a few minutes after the debate ended. One more ridiculous and overwrought meltdown from La Sullivan is just that, another ridiculous and overwrought meltdown.

It's hysterical to me that conservatives have spent MONTHS claiming that polls can change and they don't really matter UNTIL, that is, their guy gets a temporary bump and now the polls are not only gospel, but unchangeable.

meh....
 
When I watched the debate I was thinking "What the hell are you doing dude? You were winning the election by a country mile. Why are you performing so badly?" At the same time I could tell Romney was lying through his teeth because he was counteracting EVERYTHING that Obama was accusing him of, when its obvious what the Republicans are all about. Romney is just good at flip flopping, and people are so stupid that they would fall for it. If Obama doesn't bring his A game into these next two debates, he's in big trouble, and so is the country, because Romney will CRASH America.
 
Well... at least the right on this forum seems to accept the results of a poll... that's a start I suppose... :=D:

Of course, the job numbers and every other poll pre-debate are still made up... ;)

I will point out that this poll is the most favorable one to Romney released and there is already evidence that polls are moving somewhat back to Obama... let's wait until Wednesday/Thursday (let the jobs numbers digest) before we jump to conclusions, boys. One thing the polls do show though is that voters are far more fickle than most anticipated... which does raise the stakes for the remaining debates.
 
chance1 said:
The Dems response should've been:

1 debate - 2 + VP more
Take your lumps
Give your opponent his due

Anything else and you're denying the truth
Pre Poll also had 60-22 Romney debate win

Instead:
Romney is a liar
Stupid people couldn't see past the lies

It's not true and worse its bad POLITICS

They're stealing a page from the Romney play book
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The Romney is a a liar approach is 100% true (ask the fact-checkers) and the correct response by the Obama administration. Feel free to list off the most substantive big ideas that Romney made (don't waste your time btw... there weren't any ;)) and I bet you I can match you one-for-one with a bigger lie told by him.

As for the POLITICS side of it, how exactly is saying "we got trounced" a better spin politically? That's ridiculous... if the president got destroyed by being listless and refusing to call out Romney on his bullshit during the debate... how exactly is this the best strategy post-debate?
 
GiancarloC said:
I think Obama will come swinging at the next debates, jstud. And I think this was perhaps a ploy to get Romney out in the open. Mitt opens his mouth and it feels like a win for conservatives... it'll backfire. That's my belief. And it'll backfire big time. The dems are already releasing political ads highlighting the lies in his debate.
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Yeah my boyfriend said this. I hope its true...

and yes it was clear Romney was lying because no one says "I didn't say that" multiple, multiple times during a two hour debate if they're not lying. I knew exactly what was going on. Not sure everyone else did though.
 
Its crazy because I'm actually a moderate/conservative when it comes to many economic issues, yet I don't think Romney is the answer because A. he is too backwards on social issues and B. I don't think he has the ability or brains to fix the economy.
 
A couple of reasons this is so big is that this is the biggest bump of the entire election season and the other is the HUGE jump in the polls for Romney with women -- almost 20%.

To ignore this and say it's all Romney lying and Americans just falling for his lies is not an honest reaction -- there is more to it.

Polls can change -- the opposite performance can happen at the next debate -- however, two points that I think are important ... can Obama reform well without the teleprompter and can Obama change to accept criticism face-to-face in a debate without showing so much disdain?

People read body language. I think if you were to watch that debate with the sound turned off -- you would say that Obama lost.
 
You'll note in another thread that the most recent polls taken after the employment figures were released have cut into Romney's lead.
 
please Jack.

Romney needs the electoral college, and there are simply few paths for him to get there now. For him to win, he needs to sweep all remaining toss up states.

to do that he needs to have four weeks in a row like he just had, and it's not going to happen. I know it sells commercials on news shows better when people think there is an upset in the race, but this is Romney's first bounce in polls in 18 months, and it will not be enough.

The fight is still real and it is still hard for both sides, but at the end of the day, no matter what anyone says, this is about turn out, nothing more or less, and hate has never been a motivator of the uninformed portion of the electorate.
 
Spread the word. No reason to vote. Obama has it in the bag.
 
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