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first dates suck...

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Because you sold yourself short. If you think highlighting your flaws works then you just proved yourself wrong by the way you feel now.

I think there's a time and place where you can be totally honest about your flaws or negative qualities, but the first date is not. You don't have to lie about yourself but you do not have to put yourself down too.

Like you said though, you weren't expecting anything out of it other than a friend but it seems like you two don't have the same things in common anyway.
 
I'd say try to relax and see it for what it was. It's called a date for a reason. A companion for a specfic, finite period of time. In regards to on-line dating, an honest physical description is required as is being on time. A date may end at any time and for any reason. Move on and have fun.
 
we made plans to just chilll and watch movies at my place, after meeting for a beer or so.
Many plans for a first date ..

first he was 1.5 hr late ( held up from bible study) which didnt really bother me
Uh what? I would have been gone by then ..


i could tell he wasnt digging me (physically - yeah i got a belly now)
"now"? Kinda sounds like that was news for him and you .. sent him old pics or so?


his first beer is done (my 4th - but i was still fine) [...]
i could not convince him... he mentioned earlier he wanted to go to a gay bar, i told him ( before too) i was personally not comfortable going 'out' yet, but id take him there ( he didnt have a car).
Driving after 4 beers?


i guess the main thing, besides me physically, that he didnt 'like' was that he thought i highlighted my faults/negatives. i see it a different way... im a realist and in tune with myself and i think its very important to recognize ur own faults to they can eventually not be negatives.. also why hide who you are - working on my negatives is my biggest imspiration to living.
You "guess"? Well personally I wouldn't want to go on a date with a guy and only hear negative stuff either, but unless he said so - it's a guess.

ok.. after all that, why do i feel so sad/ shitty, going into it not really expecting alot?
Maybe you told yourself that you were not expecting much - but obviously you did.
You chatted to this guy for some time and invested a lot of time. Then you even invested more time by waiting 1.5hours .. you were expecting something for sure.

My advice .. don't overdo the chatting before. Check if someone is interesting, talk enough to be sure that he is genuine (and just in case: use current pics of yourself, too) and just meet for a drink a meal or whatever. If that goes well you can still make further plans.
 
I agree with Corny's points, but honestly: First dates will be sucky 99% of the time. I can guarantee you that you will go on other dates in your life that will be bad, too. It hurts, but you HAVE to move on; It's inevitable.

Remember: Dating is basically weeding through garbage to find something good that someone else threw away. Don't expect your first reach in to give you anything good. . .or the 5th, or even the 9th. When you finally find someone you connect with, the date won't suck*. I promise


*(but you will :D)
 
Hard to add to the already excellent advice guys have given you.

One thing, though. Why don't you want to come out? Sounds like you could've extended the evening if you went with him inside the gay bar.
 
you need to be prepared to go through many, many first dates before you find someone you want to be with. and even then its not a guarantee that you two will become romantically involved. you could just end up friends. dating is a numbers game by nature.
 
UAJock said:
...first he was 1.5 hr late ( held up from bible study)...

I'm gonna guess that "A" in UAJock is Alabama or Arkansas. The South is a little different place but if someone is going to go on a gay bar after Bible study, then they're not conflicted- they're just plain-ol' fucked up.

That was a bad sign.

Not having a car? Bad sign.

1.5 hours late? The Bible's a big book but how much studying does one need before going on a gay date? Or to a gay bar?

Seriously, though... you had the right attitude just with the wrong person. Throw that fish back in the water and let him grow a little bit more. And then bait your hook and get your line back in the water. Better luck next time.
 
Good points, Kara, but I think a college guy without a car is no big deal.
 
Honestly, and that's just me.... I would have run after the words "Bible study".

That rarely ends well.
 
Others have tread this ground, but I'll see if I can point out all the problem areas.

>>>i'm jockish and dont normally 'date'.

Meaning what, exactly? Jockish people date.

>>> still went on date and was actually really excited to meet him and get to know him better. we made plans to just chilll and watch movies at my place, after meeting for a beer or so.

Not a great idea for a first date. Better to keep things in a neutral location, so if you don't feel comfortable, it's easier to make an exit. What if he'd come to your place, and you decided you didn't like him at all? How do you gracefully say "I've decided I don't like you, so you can go now"?

>>>first he was 1.5 hr late ( held up from bible study) which didnt really bother me...

I've never known Bible study to run long, but that's just me.

>>>in the back of my head i kinda thought i wasnt his type after haring him talk about other guys, but i literally didnt want anything out of the date except to get to know him better and get a second date.

I don't follow. What's on the second date that isn't on the first date?

>>>after 5 min. i could tell he wasnt digging me (physically - yeah i got a belly now) but he wouldnt come out and say it

What was he expecting? Did you play up your "jockish" side so much that he was expecting something other than what you were?

>>>i can read people well.

I'm not so sure you can. Read on.

>>>i guess the main thing, besides me physically, that he didnt 'like' was that he thought i highlighted my faults/negatives. i see it a different way... im a realist and in tune with myself and i think its very important to recognize ur own faults to they can eventually not be negatives.. also why hide who you are - working on my negatives is my biggest imspiration to living.

There's nothing wrong with "working on your negatives". But it's one thing to say "I'm a total klutz", and another thing to say "I've always been klutzy, so I recently started a tai chi class to work on my body awareness". One is a derogatory statement, and one shows that you are in fact "working on our negatives".

But what I don't understand is why he found your negative talk offputting. He'd spoken to you (presumably) several times on MSN and phone. Were you not as negative then? Did you act significantly differently in his physical presence than you did online and over the phone?

I may be reading between the lines too much here, but I'm guessing this is what happened.

You met this guy online, somewhat clicked, and decided to meet up. You meet him, and he's late, which between the beers and time may have put you off-guard a bit. Things didn't go precisely the way you'd hoped, as they are wont to do - a few too many silences and/or awkward looks. Which you interpreted as him deciding he wasn't into you. Look, if he wasn't into you, he wouldn't have met up with you. He liked you enough to meet with you and invite you to a gay club. If he wasn't overly chatty, it's almost certainly because first dates can be full of awkward silences and confused looks. But you decided it meant he didn't like you, so you turned on the self-flagillator. You start pointing out your faults heavier, probably in that "Of course he doesn't like me. I'm too heavy, I'm too inconsiderate, I'm not good at chit-chat" mode. Which of course does nothing for your cause.

I think him bagging on the movies at your place was a good call. You didn't appear to be in good form, and going there might've just extended the awkwardness. Send him a note, thank him for meeting with you, and apologize if you came across a bit too negative.

>>>... im never dating again.

Then start working on THIS negative of yours. Because I think it needs working on. :)

Lex
 
One thing, though. Why don't you want to come out? Sounds like you could've extended the evening if you went with him inside the gay bar.

Well, it sounds like they come from a heavily-Christian area (Bible study, and whatnot). . .that, and let's face it: The majority of guys who're first starting to come out don't want to be seen in gay bars. There's also a lot of gay people that just hate the whole bar scene, too.


you need to be prepared to go through many, many first dates before you find someone you want to be with. and even then its not a guarantee that you two will become romantically involved. you could just end up friends. dating is a numbers game by nature.


That's why there are people who AVOID the "dating scene" and only go out with people they already feel a connection with. I mean sure, the dates can still be bad but you won't have any "first date awkwardness", that's for sure.
 
>>>That's why there are people who AVOID the "dating scene" and only go out with people they already feel a connection with. I mean sure, the dates can still be bad but you won't have any "first date awkwardness", that's for sure.

Well, that's just it. OP talked about "MSN and phone conversations". It sounded like they already DID have a connection.

Lex
 
One and a half hours late from Bible Study??????????????
 
Lets take into account that:

1. Bible Study does run late at times
2. He doesn't have a car, public transportation isn't the greatest in every city.
3. Your meeting some self-deprecating guy..Yeah do I really want to spend the night with that? No.
4. Lets try the gay bar route...oh he's too scared to go into one..fuck it let me cut my losses and get wasted with somebody in the bar.
 
Well, that's just it. OP talked about "MSN and phone conversations". It sounded like they already DID have a connection.

Lex

And forgive me if this makes me seem like an asshole, but it doesn't sound to me like they connected very well, or shared very much info with each other before they went out. If the guy would even be surprised at all that you have a gut now, or would have so many hang-ups about your appearance, then that probably means that you withheld a lot from him while you were "connecting" online, right? It'd probably also mean that you did NOT see each other over webcam, and perhaps only showed him a picture of yourself from awhile ago, right?



Meeting online is perfectly fine nowdays, so don't get me wrong. All i'm saying is that I would definitely cam, voice and ask the right questions for awhile before I agreed to go out on a date with someone I met over the internet. . .or at least try to get a picture of them holding today's newspaper. :p
 
I have to say, I feel for the guy that went on a date with you. You might think you did all the right things, but you didn't.

1. Never give someone a picture that's more than a couple of month old. You probably sent him a picture of when you were hot and from the get go, he was annoyed at you.

2. Why would you expect/wish for a second date when even the 1st date hadn't happen? There are many people who are a lot different online vs in person.

3. If you don't respect yourself, no one is going to respect you. I'd give him 20 mins most before walking out after trying on phone first.

4. If you're not ready to go out with a man on a date wherever it might be, then you shouldn't be trying to date. Your too stuck on not being out.
 
He was probably watching you drink down those beers as he drank down his one.

You should keep a more open mind about going to a gay bar. It's not like you can catch being out of the closet or promiscuity or whatever is your afraid of there.
 
^ Not very helpful. If the OP isn't comfortable at a gay bar, why should he keep an open mind about it, particularly as a closeted homosexual who may be afraid of being recognized by other classmates etc.?

What I don't understand is how you didn't end up talking about your dislike of gay bars or public settings for dates in the 'IM/convo' phase before you got together.

If you're not comfortable going out to some public place where you might be noticed, this is likely something that you should discuss early on, because for a lot of guys who are cool with their sexuality and/or who are very sociable, it would be an early deal breaker.

But all in all, just mark it down to experience and better luck with the next guy.
 
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