FORWARD to Liberal totalitarianism

[Benvolio]

This is for those who scoff at the idea that liberals will be unable to restrain their compulsion to control everything until we have a totalitarian government, defined as one which attempts to control society totally. The EPA last year was prevented from its attempt to regulate farm dust. Now it has moved to regulate all the land along all the ditches and gullies on private land.EPA power grab to regulate ditches, gullies on private property
The Constitution give the government no such power. But here is how the liberal/democrat mind works. The Constitution allows Congress to regulate commerce among the states. So liberals assert that means they can control navigable waters. That means they get to control smaller streams going into the navigable waters. That means they get to regulate "wetlands". That means, now, they get to regulate not only ditches and gullies but land along side the ditches. Any one have a ditch in his back yard? The ditch police are coming for you. Right after the soda police.
Fortunately, the Republicans are on the case and will probably succeed in slapping the liberals down, at least for awhile.
Sodas one day, ditches the next. Democrat want to control everything, except sex.

 

[Stardreamer]

Quite correct, Republicans are quite determined to stop Democratic totalitarians because they want to be the only anti-freedom totalitarians. Which is only fair since the Democrat totalitarians have the same motivations.

 

[csb999]

totalitarianism . I would use the term authoritarianism . There is a reason why Tony Blair , the most left of the left , got along so well with George Bush the most right : their ultimate goals may have been totally different but their methods were exactly the same . Another term might be "police state" . Homeland Security ( the HS , Heimatsschutz ) sort of reminds me of something else .

 

[Stardreamer]

Totalitarianism, authoritarianism; whatever you want to call it both parties are interested in one way or another controlling your life. Controlling who you can marry, what you do with your own property, what size soda cup you allowed to have, what type of food you can eat, what size car you can have, who you should hate, who you shouldn't hate, even what you should think.

 

[Rolyo85]

More boring fear-mongering. I can never get those 2 minutes back ;_;

 

[palbert]

An Ellsworth Toohey fantasy. Consider therapy.

 

[Stardreamer]

Sodas one day, ditches the next. Democrat want to control everything, except sex.

Republicans have controlling sex locked up

 

[Kulindahr]

The smokescreen being pumped out there is unfortunately effective for a great portion of Americans, who believe the scare stories about liberals which exist for only one reason: to turn eyes away from the fact that the Republicans are aiming at an even more effective form of totalitarianism: reducing over ninety percent of the people to abject poverty, so that they have no resources with which to oppose tyranny.

Remember, all: every time someone spouts these chants and slogans, they're trying to make you forget that the Republicans want to turn this into a banana republic, where we'll all be peasants without even the money for all our basic necessities.

 

[andysayshi]

It's all the fault of illegal immigrants. They're the ones digging those ditches.

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

It's all the fault of illegal immigrants. They're the ones digging those ditches.

Benvolio's problem is with LEGAL immigrants as well. You know, those immigrants that the DEMOCRATS keep bringing in to flood our workforce and take jobs away from the white people (real Americans, get me?)

Uh-oh....what's this though?

H.R. 3012: Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011 - Legislative Digest - GOP.gov

Hope nobody tells him that one of those REPUBLICAN "Jobs Bills" they're so busy touting is designed to make it easier for immigrants to do JUST that!

Oh the BETRAYAL!!!

 

[Kulindahr]

Benvolio's problem is with LEGAL immigrants as well. You know, those immigrants that the DEMOCRATS keep bringing in to flood our workforce and take jobs away from the white people (real Americans, get me?)

Uh-oh....what's this though?

H.R. 3012: Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2011 - Legislative Digest - GOP.gov

Hope nobody tells him that one of those REPUBLICAN "Jobs Bills" they're so busy touting is designed to make it easier for immigrants to do JUST that!

Oh the BETRAYAL!!!

Of course Republicans actually want to bring in more immigrants -- American citizens want too much money to do a job. Better to leave them in poverty and make fantasies so they'll hopefully believe the Democrats are total evil and vote Republican.

 

[Rolyo85]

Btw, I am beginning to feel betrayed here. I mean, nobody ever brought me here, nobody gave me an honest American's job, freshly torn from him together with his beating heart, and nobody gave me the right to vote Democrat ;_;

 

[Benvolio]

Gee, Kul, I would have thought that as a putative libertarian, you would have shared my alarm at the government grabbing authoritarian control over much of the real estate in the country. There does not seem to be much liberty in your brand of libertarianism. Politically it is another big mistake for your party during an election year. Even some blue states have lots of farmers.

 

[MassRuss]

it's an oxymoron.

So is gay republican.

 

[Kulindahr]

Gee, Kul, I would have thought that as a putative libertarian, you would have shared my alarm at the government grabbing authoritarian control over much of the real estate in the country. There does not seem to be much liberty in your brand of libertarianism. Politically it is another big mistake for your party during an election year. Even some blue states have lots of farmers.

Didn't read my post, did you?

 

[rareboy]

What a pile of crap as usual.

This isn't about partisan control. It is about management of the the wetland and riparian environment,

It is obvious that the OP has no concept whatsoever of how water systems work. And that you can't rely on a private 'owner' of waterways not to destroy or degrade their portion of a system to the point where it can create real damage and harm to to others.

There are already likely hundreds of conservation authorities across the US...there certainly are in Canada...that have the responsibility to help ensure that all water habitats are kept safe and clean for downstream users, not to mention the fish and animals that rely on them.

It isn't totalitarianism by a long shot. And stewardship isn't a liberal or Democratic notion.

Along with Teddy Roosevelt, there have been many 'conservatives' who have led the charge to help ensure that the environment is plundered by the rapacious and just plain butt ignorant.

 

[Benvolio]

Grab you milk and popcorn kids, the liberals are coming for it. Health panel talks about wider food ban - New York News | New York Breaking News | NYC Headlines
Once liberals start to control, they just can't stop.

 

[rareboy]

It is the height of irony and cynicism that Benvolio, who wants everyone on this site to believe he is a homosexual male can continue to post nonsense about liberals controlling behaviour while at the same time, the Republicans and reactionary conservatives are so determined to regulate abortion and whether homos can marry.

When it comes to being concerned about what a homo puts in their mouth, I think the reactionary bible thumpers are way more dangerous than those who are trying to tackle the morbid obesity of the overfed North Americans.

What a crock of shit.

 

[Kulindahr]

What a pile of crap as usual.

This isn't about partisan control. It is about management of the the wetland and riparian environment,

It is obvious that the OP has no concept whatsoever of how water systems work. And that you can't rely on a private 'owner' of waterways not to destroy or degrade their portion of a system to the point where it can create real damage and harm to to others.

There are already likely hundreds of conservation authorities across the US...there certainly are in Canada...that have the responsibility to help ensure that all water habitats are kept safe and clean for downstream users, not to mention the fish and animals that rely on them.

It isn't totalitarianism by a long shot. And stewardship isn't a liberal or Democratic notion.

Along with Teddy Roosevelt, there have been many 'conservatives' who have led the charge to help ensure that the environment is plundered by the rapacious and just plain butt ignorant.

It's also obvious that Washington, D.C. has no concept of how water systems work -- or they wouldn't be imposing one-size-fits-all definitions on the entire country. Any competent ecologist knows that what constitutes a wetland isn't the same the country over; even common sense says that's stupid. I've seen two situations where the feds decided how things had to be done to "protect a wetland" that in actuality resulted in reducing or destroying wetlands, because their definitions fit the median situation in the country and aren't adaptable -- so when they try to fit situations outside the median they can cause as much or more harm than if they just stayed out of the way.

Wetlands need protecting, but all the fedgov should be doing is telling the states to do so. Oregon would do a far better job of deciding what a wetland is for its climate regimes than DC can be for the country's thousands of climate regimes. And states can do what the fedgov can't: give tax abatements for lands required to be left wild -- for example, when I visited an uncle in Nebraska back before he died, the place had changed a lot, because farmers had let strips of land along fences and easily eroded areas turn back to native woodlands. The land was removed from the tax rolls, while the farmers got the benefits of wind reduction and returning wildlife -- which they could hunt. Under federal programs, the lands people can't use still get taxed, which is insanity.

 

[bendted]

Hey, don't blame "the liberals." Your people (Republicans) brought the EPA to fruition under the Nixon (R) administration, so suck it up.