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Good [Kirk Cameron denied story-hour slot]

He can go fuck himself.

Just another Christian as victim story. There are enough other faith based clubs and programs that can mount these story hours.

Not every library is doing LGBTQ positive story hours, which incidentally don't rely on the Abrahamic religions...just stories about acceptance of oneself and others.


This is just another chance for FOX to stir outrage.
 
I think the drag queen thing has invited this sort of attempt at countering the foray into children's time. Teaching acceptance doesn't have to be done with a poke in the eye. Not even all LGBTQ support drag, which is not an orientation or a gender, but an act, usually one that is heavily laced with satire and adult material, so really not a natural fit with small children.

That said, it's a free country. Communities can support or reject as they will. But, using the library to peddle religion with a likely angle of proselytizing is easy to oppose. I have seen public school teachers who abused their position and evangelized students while telling half-truths about it. It was classic end-justifies-the-means rationalizaiton.

As noted, this is just a dog-whistle for Fox and others to whip up the losers of the culture wars. But, it would have been less likely if the drag queens hadn't pushed their spin first.

It's also noteworthy that Cameron alleged he was sexually abused in his work as a child actor, and he seems to be on a mission to oppose LGBTQ persons in general. He saw the drag queens using public access to teaching time and he sallied forth to counter. Just another chapter in the ongoing culture war.
 
He can go fuck himself.

Just another Christian as victim story. There are enough other faith based clubs and programs that can mount these story hours.

Not every library is doing LGBTQ positive story hours, which incidentally don't rely on the Abrahamic religions...just stories about acceptance of oneself and others.


This is just another chance for FOX to stir outrage.
Yt christians be like: please PLEASE can I have a crumb of oppression?
 
Churches still exist.

Kirk Cameron should appear in churches and Sunday Schools. Why doesn't he? Less money? Less publicity?

Well, bluntly put, because the children in churches are already indoctrinated. There's no evangelism within the walls of a church. That has been understood by the Fundamentalists for over a century now, if only talked about within the fold. But, with diminishing birth rates, that spells decline for all except Catholics and Mormons.

And, to be fair, the proselytizing is following the drag queen contingent to where the next generation is, or at least to the ones whose parents take them to libraries. Children were not ever in attendance in night clubs or gay spots where drag queens go onstage. Drag queens don't typically appear in grocery stores, football stadiums, skate parks, or other places with kids who are disposed to listening and learning.

So, drag queens sought out reading times in libraries. Unquestionably gay men were already there in those roles, but without sequins and wigs. Kids were already hearing from gay men. When those kids went home, if they were at an age when they were questioning sex or gender roles or pair bonding, conversations ensued about "why does Mr. Smith live alone?" But that wasn't enough. The drag queen advocates needed to make a statement and wanted to invite a controversial avenue.

So, it's not enough to decry the attempt at indoctrination by the religious or conservative while pretending it wasn't happening by the drag queen side. a

Drag is not the definition or equation of being gay. It is a small subset. It got standing because it was brave enough to stand up and be outlandish, but it doesn't represent gays any more than Jeffrey Dahmer did. It represents gays who want to defy gender roles in an audacious, and sometimes entertaining, way.
 
Drag is not the definition or equation of being gay. It is a small subset. It got standing because it was brave enough to stand up and be outlandish, but it doesn't represent gays any more than Jeffrey Dahmer did.
Our daily dose of "arguing points nobody made."
 
I have to be honest. Before this thread I had forgotten he existed.
I have no idea what he even looks like today and can hardly remember what he looked like before - I remember him and his vibe from years ago being on some TV show and I remember thinking he was creepy.
 
Our daily dose of "arguing points nobody made."
Except that the LGBTQ+ lobby--which includes the Human Rights Campaign (the most prominent gay political organization), the Democratic Party and most media organizations--inextricably link "gay" and "trans", be it drag queens or transsexuality. The world--and certainly your avatar--sees gay to drag queen to transsexual as a continuum. I hold that the latter two have no more to do with me than they do to a heterosexual male.

There is an oft repeated and sometimes ironic question, "But is it good for the Jews?" I look at these issues and ask, without irony, "Is it good for the gays?" I doubt it is.
 
Except that the LGBTQ+ lobby--which includes the Human Rights Campaign (the most prominent gay political organization), the Democratic Party and most media organizations--inextricably link "gay" and "trans", be it drag queens or transsexuality. The world--and certainly your avatar--sees gay to drag queen to transsexual as a continuum. I hold that the latter two have no more to do with me than they do to a heterosexual male.

There is an oft repeated and sometimes ironic question, "But is it good for the Jews?" I look at these issues and ask, without irony, "Is it good for the gays?" I doubt it is.
So what do we want, separate drinking fountains for drag queens and trans girls? :confused:
 
His sister Candace Cameron-Bure is just as bad so she left Hallmark channel because they are making movies featuring gay characters and stories and not "Traditional marriages" and went to GAC Family. hmmm... :rolleyes::##:
 
His sister Candace Cameron-Bure is just as bad so she left Hallmark channel because they are making movies featuring gay characters and stories and not "Traditional marriages" and went to GAC Family. hmmm... :rolleyes::##:
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Well, bluntly put, because the children in churches are already indoctrinated. There's no evangelism within the walls of a church. That has been understood by the Fundamentalists for over a century now, if only talked about within the fold. But, with diminishing birth rates, that spells decline for all except Catholics and Mormons.

And, to be fair, the proselytizing is following the drag queen contingent to where the next generation is, or at least to the ones whose parents take them to libraries. Children were not ever in attendance in night clubs or gay spots where drag queens go onstage. Drag queens don't typically appear in grocery stores, football stadiums, skate parks, or other places with kids who are disposed to listening and learning.

So, drag queens sought out reading times in libraries. Unquestionably gay men were already there in those roles, but without sequins and wigs. Kids were already hearing from gay men. When those kids went home, if they were at an age when they were questioning sex or gender roles or pair bonding, conversations ensued about "why does Mr. Smith live alone?" But that wasn't enough. The drag queen advocates needed to make a statement and wanted to invite a controversial avenue.

So, it's not enough to decry the attempt at indoctrination by the religious or conservative while pretending it wasn't happening by the drag queen side. a

Drag is not the definition or equation of being gay. It is a small subset. It got standing because it was brave enough to stand up and be outlandish, but it doesn't represent gays any more than Jeffrey Dahmer did. It represents gays who want to defy gender roles in an audacious, and sometimes entertaining, way.


Drag Queens do not encourage violence against Christians in dark alleys. You are participating in homophobic violence, by pretending that there is some kind of similarity, some kind of parity. That is just a lie you try to push on everyone else because you sympathize with the hater on some level. There would be no Drag Queens demonstrating their humanity if the people you just excused were not crucifying us to fenceposts. We all understand internalized homophobia, and in the end, it's just homophobia.

This is a vile apology for gay bashers trying to sound like reason. Pretending there is equivalence, pretending there is a similar motive, pretending to be accepting while supporting the hate, bigotry, and violence that is the foundational reason that gay men reach out to everyone and try to explain that we are all Human together.

Fuck this dishonesty, I do not care to make excuses for any of us to appease the hatred and fear of bigots who think you are just as vile a pervert as everyone else who sucks cock no matter how diligently you promote their hatred.

You know what, I CELEBRATE our diversity. Let the whole world see the strength, the fucking courage, the artistry, the determination to be who we are in the face of all their hate, to be ourselves no matter what.

You know what. Some of us ARE just that fabulous and that is the reality, and fuck anyone who tries to hide it. Fuck anyone who goes with hat in hand to bigots to apologize, to excuse, to try and shame us into silence in service of hate.

FUCK that.

This song you're selling, it's old, it's tired, it's self-loathing, and it's suicidal. Running and hiding will not save you when they come to your door, no matter how much you try to sell out the Drag community, the people whose opinion you'd like us all to be terribly concerned with appeasing, already hate you just as much.

I don't want to be liked by haters. I demand equality.

No one ever took their equality by hiding in the dark.
 
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