Hillary up by less than 1% in Iowa

[BenDan]

80% votes in

Hillary 49.8
Bernie 49.5

CNN polling data suggests Hillary will hold on

90% in

 

[BenDan]

Looks like it's over as she's expanded her lead to a full point

with 94% in

50.2 vs. 49.3

O'Malley at .5%

 

[hotatlboi]

Hillary is now up by only 0.2 percent.

 

[zombiekiller]

Sanders is too left leaning for my comfort. He may attract a lot of supporters in the primaries, but in the general election the more moderate candidate will win.

 

[eastofeden]

Sanders is too left leaning for my comfort. He may attract a lot of supporters in the primaries, but in the general election the more moderate candidate will win.

ITA., I like Sanders a lot but the one thing I have not yet said is that I WANT to vote for Hillary..and I have my own very good reasons...

I will often say I liked Richard Nixon...and it is because he was a good statesman. The reason this is important is that I am a Liberal and I can overlook politics to recognize and appreciate a good statesman. I think Jimmy Carter was a good statesman..as was Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.

I think Hillary Clinton may be better than all of them.

I remember watching her on C-Span or one of those Congressional Channels when she was in the Irish Parliament trying to negotiate a change...and I almost got a hard on. She is a SMART...even BRILLIANT Statesman. I love listening to a good statesman and for a President.... it is more important to me than just about anything else.

I was dying the whole time Papa and Baby Bush were representing America. O M G.

So I put a mental SOLD tag on her. Nothing I have seen since has convinced me she is not worthy of my vote. It is true she is not as left as Bernie..but she is not as right as a lot of people are trying to suggest...and since Mr Obama has sold me on governing from the center left...and I am impressed at how he managed to get things done with little help...she has my vote. Since Hillary already knows the ropes..has been in the White House..and brings Bill along for a double dose of kick ass statesmanship...I am solid for her.

I also believe she is the single most capable person for the job from either side of the aisle.

 

[hotatlboi]

Sanders is too left leaning for my comfort. He may attract a lot of supporters in the primaries, but in the general election the more moderate candidate will win.

The more moderate candidate would be Sanders if he's going against Cruz.

 

[TickTockMan]

It has been reported that some people that were suppose to count, didn't. Reports are that happened in about 90 places.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Sanders is too left leaning for my comfort. He may attract a lot of supporters in the primaries, but in the general election the more moderate candidate will win.

The constant negativity is what I find so funny about Bernie, people didn't expect him to get this far, yet here he is and I doubt people expected Iowa to be so close.

 

[lambdaboy]

Both work for me but watch ass holes try to do a write in of the one that does not win the convention and watch 4 to 8 years of a republican piece of crap in charge. American and now with a dual citizenship in the UK I will never live there again if a republican wins I will never visit the States again. Please all gay people vote for the dem that wins the convention.

 

[rareboy]

^ I'm not sure that people will vote Democrat just to make sure you can visit again.

 

[T-Rexx]

Final result was Clinton 49.9%, Sanders 49.5%

The Democratic polls were accurate, showing Clinton with a tiny (but statistically insignificant) edge going into the voting.

Republicans polls, on the other hand, were way off. Every one of the last 13 polls conducted before the election had Trump the victor.

 

[rareboy]

^ I would like to know if Donald ducking the FOX debate might not have finally been something that hurt him in the eyes of voters.

I have to think that most of the undecided would see it like many of us did.

A chickenshit tantrum by a 3 year with a grab bag of emotions.

 

[T-Rexx]

^ I would like to know if Donald ducking the FOX debate might not have finally been something that hurt him in the eyes of voters.

I have to think that most of the undecided would see it like many of us did.

A chickenshit tantrum by a 3 year with a grab bag of emotions.

We'll never know, but personally I suspect Trump's boycott had nothing to do with the outcome. Even polls conducted AFTER he skipped the debate had Trump well ahead. My own theory is that it had something to do with the public nature of the caucus process. Republicans were intimidated into voting for Cruz by peer pressue in the caucuses. Remember, this is Iowa, where evangelical Christians run the show.

The Democratic and Republican polls were the same polls, conducted by the same people. The Democratic side was highly accurate. Something happened on the Republican side.

 

[kallipolis]

Remember, this is Iowa, where evangelical Christians run the show.

You are correct for in Iowa nearly 60% of Republicans are staunch Evangelical Christians, nevertheless it is noteworthy that evangelical Ted Cruz received less than 30% of the evangelical vote, with Trump the beneficiary of the rest.

 

[kallipolis]

Sanders has the momentum with him, and should take NH...

 

[hotatlboi]

We'll never know, but personally I suspect Trump's boycott had nothing to do with the outcome. Even polls conducted AFTER he skipped the debate had Trump well ahead. My own theory is that it had something to do with the public nature of the caucus process. Republicans were intimidated into voting for Cruz by peer pressue in the caucuses. Remember, this is Iowa, where evangelical Christians run the show.

The Democratic and Republican polls were the same polls, conducted by the same people. The Democratic side was highly accurate. Something happened on the Republican side.

No, on the Republican side they vote by secret ballot, so there is no pressure or intimidation. Only the Democraric side is the public stand in a group kind.

 

[rareboy]

Sanders has the momentum with him, and should take NH...

Well he is from Vermont.....and while NH is a Republican state...they would take a New Englander over Hillary any day so no surprise that he was always going to take NH.

 

[kallipolis]

Surprises are sufficiently common, not to take anything for granted.

 

[Vitamin]

Well he is from Vermont.....and while NH is a Republican state...they would take a New Englander over Hillary any day so no surprise that he was always going to take NH.

NH hasn't gone Republican since 2000, but you're right that nobody will be surprised when Sanders wins the New Hampshire primary.

The truth of the matter is this tie thing is terrible for both campaigns. While Iowa just had one of it's biggest caucus turnout rates in it's history, both Sanders and Clinton failed to turn out their bases which caused this whole mess. Bernie somehow managed to convince Obama's youth collation to show up 4 points less than what they did for Barrack, and Hillary's moderate Democrats showed up a colossal 12 points less than in 2008.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallp...6-things-that-explain-the-iowa-caucus-results

Did moderate Democrats not come out because they dislike the left direction Hillary has taken her campaign thus far, or are they just growing tired of her overall? Can Bernie actually convince Millennials to come out in the general election(not to mention blacks)? None of these questions will be answered in New Hampshire. We have to wait for Nevada and South Carolina to see, but both of these assholes better shape up and stop focusing so much on each other, and just start paying attention to their respective bases.

Ultimately there were not two winners last night, or even one in Iowa, but two losers. This does NOT need to become a trend.

 

[T-Rexx]

Hillary "lost" Iowa by coming in first.

And Rubio "won" Iowa by coming in third.