HIV and giving oral sex?

[HartfordGuy]

Well, as you said the info out there is kinda sketchy at best.

Semen has alot of the HIV virus in it. Oral sex is less risky than bareback sex because of the type of injury it causes. Injury meaning anal sex can cause small tears in the anal lining from the force of entry/exit no matter how much lube is used. The bigger the guy or rougher the sex, the more likely you will bleed alittle down there. And if your partner is HIV+ and you guys skipped the condom guess what? You just created the perfect conditions for infection. It is not known how much of the virus is in precum.

Getting back to oral sex. It is less risky because typically we don't have the open sores or cuts inside our mouths that allow semen/precum into our blood system. But if you do and the guy cums in your mouth guess what? Whether you swallowed or not is irrelevant. Swallowing vs. spitting is no more or less risky. Both are bad if you have cuts in your mouth. Although in theory swallowing would be worse if you had an active bleeding stomach ulcer.

So obviously if you just went to the dentist you may not want to be giving anybody a blowjob until your gums have recovered from the hygenists scraping, etc.

As for trusting your partner? No no no! I personally know people who caught HIV because they thought they were safer fooling around with a regular fuck buddy vs. a total stranger. And as for asking a hook up if they are clean? Don't believe their answer either. After all, they are about to get blown. Do you think if it will squash their chance by answering "yes, I'm HIV+" that they'll be truthful? Don't count on it.

And then there is the fact that 1/3rd of the guys with HIV don't know it yet. Too many guys are afraid of getting tested. I have been told by more than one friend that they never get tested because they don't think they could handle the news.


So basically ALL sex is risky. Anal sex with a condom is the least risky providing the condom doesn't break. Ask him not to cum inside you even wearing a condom.

Oral sex is LOW risk. The person at risk is the person sucking. Just make sure you have no cuts/sores in your mouth and that'll eliminate 99% of the risk.

HIV is hard to catch in all other ways. You can't get it from casual contact. Not from kissing (unless you bite each others lips) not from shaking hands, sharing a toilet, drinking glass etc.

There has to be contact between semen or blood via a cut or blood vessel. Or blood and blood (sharing needles). The other way is if you get a cum shot in your eyes from a guy with HIV. Your eyes are full of blood vessels. That is why in pornos the guys all close their eyes tight when getting a facial.

 

[Soilwork]

If your doctor says that oral sex is just as risky as anal sex... you need a new doctor. The one you have is an idiot who speaks without knowing the facts.

you CAN get HIV from oral sex but the evidence is anecdotal at best.

Every time a study has been done, nobody in the control group is infected.

there was a study in San Francisco a few years ago that studied... um... a lot of men. I can't remember the number. They only had oral sex... no anal ever.

None of them used condoms for oral sex and in SF, HIV is everywhere.

Not a single one of them caught HIV.

A Study in France involving HIV+ and HIV- couples found that in 10,000 instances of unprotected oral sex, there were 0 infections.

Does this mean that the chance is zero?

No.

but it DOES mean that a doctor who tells you that oral sex is just as risky as anal aex either is a moron or has an agenda. Get a new one.

YEs.. risk goes up if you let the guy blow in your mouth. Don't let him do that if you're not willing to take the increased risk. Cuts or sores in your mouth.. same thing. Dont' risk it if you're not comfortable with the risk...

Know the risks, accept the consequences.

 

[Orlandude]

Soilwork is right. You need to find a new doctor who is aware of the current status, prevention and treatments for hiv. Most medical professionals now attend on-going seminars and procedural updates related to the virus and many hospitals and ER's mandate this ongoing training. Some even require regular certification.

As for the "oral" I would only add that common sense is a big part of it as well. Obviously, if you just recently had any dental work done (teeth cleaning, extractions, fillings, etc...) you should refrain from oral for a few days to allow yourself to heal. Even brushing and flossing may cause mircroscopic tears so don't have oral immediately after doing these things. Common sense. If it remains a concern for you then don't participate in unprotected oral sex. Yes, oral sex is considered "very low risk". Only you can decide what level of acceptable risk is for you, if any.

 

[luminum]

The risk is lower than from anal/vaginal sex.

Someone cumming in your mouth increases risk (but is still lower than anal/vaginal contraction) and a way to lower risk is by swallowing or spitting it out, which are equivalent in terms of risk.

Your doctor needs to attend some seminars.

 

[jockboy01]

The doctor is wrong. Oral HIV transmission risk is much lower than anal/vaginal. However, I don't know the studies that soilwork is referring to, but there have been several studies that show that oral transmission does occur.

 

[Diego_Ryan]

If your doctor says that oral sex is just as risky as anal sex... you need a new doctor. The one you have is an idiot who speaks without knowing the facts.

you CAN get HIV from oral sex but the evidence is anecdotal at best.

Every time a study has been done, nobody in the control group is infected.

there was a study in San Francisco a few years ago that studied... um... a lot of men. I can't remember the number. They only had oral sex... no anal ever.

None of them used condoms for oral sex and in SF, HIV is everywhere.

Not a single one of them caught HIV.

A Study in France involving HIV+ and HIV- couples found that in 10,000 instances of unprotected oral sex, there were 0 infections.

Does this mean that the chance is zero?

No.

but it DOES mean that a doctor who tells you that oral sex is just as risky as anal aex either is a moron or has an agenda. Get a new one.

YEs.. risk goes up if you let the guy blow in your mouth. Don't let him do that if you're not willing to take the increased risk. Cuts or sores in your mouth.. same thing. Dont' risk it if you're not comfortable with the risk...

Know the risks, accept the consequences.

That test you mentioned does not sound ethical at all, what kind of idiot would agree to participate in a test to see whether you can catch HIV?

Also, it can never be too safe you can have a cut in your mouth and not even feel it or see it. Sometimes brushing your teeth can cause bleeding yet when you look for the cuts you can’t see them (at least in my case).

 

[Diego_Ryan]

How risky is it giving oral sex in regards to getting HIV from it?

Is it easy? My medical doctor once told me how it's just as easy to get HIV from giving oral sex as it is from unprotected anal/vaginal sex. Hard to get it? I've heard from gay/bi male friends that you're more likely to die/get in a car accident than get HIV from giving oral sex.

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I looked it up and this is what the CDC has to say about it: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/qa19.htm

Yes, it is possible for either partner to become infected with HIV through performing or receiving oral sex. There have been a few cases of HIV transmission from performing oral sex on a person infected with HIV. While no one knows exactly what the degree of risk is, evidence suggests that the risk is less than that of unprotected anal or vaginal sex.

If the person performing oral sex has HIV, blood from their mouth may enter the body of the person receiving oral sex through

the lining of the urethra (the opening at the tip of the penis);
the lining of the vagina or cervix;
the lining of the anus; or
directly into the body through small cuts or open sores.
If the person receiving oral sex has HIV, their blood, semen (cum), pre-seminal fluid (pre-cum), or vaginal fluid may contain the virus. Cells lining the mouth of the person performing oral sex may allow HIV to enter their body.

The risk of HIV transmission increases

if the person performing oral sex has cuts or sores around or in their mouth or throat;
if the person receiving oral sex ejaculates in the mouth of the person performing oral sex; or
if the person receiving oral sex has another sexually transmitted disease (STD).
Not having (abstaining from) sex is the most effective way to avoid HIV.

If you choose to perform oral sex, and your partner is male,

use a latex condom on the penis; or
if you or your partner is allergic to latex, plastic (polyurethane) condoms can be used.
Studies have shown that latex condoms are very effective, though not perfect, in preventing HIV transmission when used correctly and consistently. If either partner is allergic to latex, plastic (polyurethane) condoms for either the male or female can be used. For more information about latex condoms, see "Male Latex Condoms and Sexually Transmitted Diseases."

 

[Soilwork]

That test you mentioned does not sound ethical at all, what kind of idiot would agree to participate in a test to see whether you can catch HIV?

don't take it up with me... these are couples where one was positive and one was negative.. they were having sex anyway.. why not study it?

Also, it can never be too safe you can have a cut in your mouth and not even feel it or see it. Sometimes brushing your teeth can cause bleeding yet when you look for the cuts you can’t see them (at least in my case).

I'm quite sure that the people in both studies brushed their teeth.

 

[Diego_Ryan]

don't take it up with me... these are couples where one was positive and one was negative.. they were having sex anyway.. why not study it?

I'm quite sure that the people in both studies brushed their teeth.

Did you read the CDC article I posted? They don't agree with you.

 

[Soilwork]

they don't agree that the people didn't brush their teeth?

Or that the couples were having sex anyway and why not study it?

 

[Diego_Ryan]

they don't agree that the people didn't brush their teeth?

Or that the couples were having sex anyway and why not study it?

They said you can still get it like the people in their test and the exact percentage is not known (meaning they haven't been able to do that many tests to make more data available) so why risk it?

Can you link your claim that no one in the study you described became infected?

 

[Soilwork]

Nobody has claimed that it's not possible to get HIV from oral sex. I'm not arguing with the CDC thing that says it's possible.

But the studies that I've read (and yes... fine... I'll see if I can find them) haven't found any cases of actual transmission. I know there are some.. they're just very rare.

 

[3stripes]

Nobody has claimed that it's not possible to get HIV from oral sex. I'm not arguing with the CDC thing that says it's possible.

But the studies that I've read (and yes... fine... I'll see if I can find them) haven't found any cases of actual transmission. I know there are some.. they're just very rare.

Very rare? It seems some professional organisations wish to disagree with your dismissive attitude http://www.thebody.com/index/safesex/oralsex.html

 

[edgeattraction]

It is very possible to get HIV from Oral Sex...that has been proven. However, it is shown that the risk is low. Planned Parenthood states that only rare cases have been caused by unprotected oral sex. Why risk it though? I've had unprotected oral sex and I regret it everyday because I have to wait 6 months to get tested to find out for sure if I have HIV. (Found out later that partner cruises alot with strangers.)

 

[luminum]

It is very possible to get HIV from Oral Sex...that has been proven. However, it is shown that the risk is low. Planned Parenthood states that only rare cases have been caused by unprotected oral sex. Why risk it though? I've had unprotected oral sex and I regret it everyday because I have to wait 6 months to get tested to find out for sure if I have HIV. (Found out later that partner cruises alot with strangers.)

Well, depending on the test, you can get 95% accuracy in 1 month, 98% in 3 months.

 

[Soilwork]

Very rare? It seems some professional organisations wish to disagree with your dismissive attitude http://www.thebody.com/index/safesex/oralsex.html

Funny, I dont' see anything on that page or any of the links that disagrees with me.

 

[bigpayback]

Oh man, you're guys are scaring me half to death. Let me say this: if both guys have no cuts in their mouth and both are HIV negative then could HIV be contracted at all? I cummed in a guy's mouth, does that put me at risk?

 

[Soilwork]

Um... if you're both HIV negative he can bleed in your mouth and you can't catch it.

You also can't get pregnant from kissing a boy in a bathing suit.

 

[Diego_Ryan]

Funny, I dont' see anything on that page or any of the links that disagrees with me.

You make it sound like it's nothing to worry about by saying that the evidence is anecdotal at best and even mentioned studies that have resulted in 0 infections, but you have yet to show them. All the tests that the CDC has performed have shown an infection, so they’re not taking it as lightly as you; any risk is dangerous (even if it’s less) especially when we’re dealing with HIV.

 

[Soilwork]

You make it sound like it's nothing to worry about by saying that the evidence is anecdotal at best and even mentioned studies that have resulted in 0 infections, but you have yet to show them. All the tests that the CDC has performed have shown an infection, so they’re not taking it as lightly as you; any risk is dangerous (even if it’s less) especially when we’re dealing with HIV.

CDC hasn't done a study.

Of course any risk is dangerous.

but I ride a motorcycle in LA.. life is about understanding risk.


here..
http://www.ucsf.edu/pressrel/2001/08/081401.html

http://www.altpenis.com/penis_news/20021024212541data_trunc_sys.shtml

And the big one..

http://www.aidsmap.com/en/news/9119DA7D-74C3-4E96-B2B2-75EC08394FD8.asp

including the passage..

"On average, the men in the study had had receptive oral sex with three different men in the past six months (range 0 – 400). The overwhelming majority, 98%, of oral sex was without a condom and 35% of men reported getting semen in their mouths, 70% of whom swallowed.

None of the men in the study tested HIV-positive, meaning that the individual risk of being infected with HIV by oral sex was zero. As the average number of oral sex partners in the past six months was three, the investigators also calculated the population attributable risk percentage for men with one, two and three partners. Although the population attributable risk percentage increased with the number of partners, it remained extremely low, at 0.18% for one partner, 0.25% for two partners and 0.31% for three partners. "

And this one.. (I was wrong.. it was Spain and not France)

http://www.aidsmap.com/en/news/2AF5DF5C-ECEF-4854-80BA-09F86B483A02.asp

how about this passage..

"Over 19,000 instances of unprotected oral sex did not lead to a single case of HIV transmission amongst a cohort of 135 HIV-negative Spanish heterosexuals in a sexual relationship with a person with HIV. The study, conducted between 1990 and June 2000, is reported in the June 2002 edition of AIDS and adds to the growing number of studies which suggest differing levels of risk of HIV transmission from oral sex when compared to anal or vaginal intercourse. "

Happy now?