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I like a Guy...At Church Camp

Oh god (no pun intended)
I totally know what you're going through
there was this guy
totally all american-christian guy
everyone thought he was gay
because of his oddity, not flambouyancy
but anyways
he didnt even notice when i told him i was gay
but then, the moment i tried to suggest something of a relationship more than a friendship, he totally went up and stopped talking to me
from one churchliker lover to another, good luck
 
I think there's a double standard going on here. You know darn well that the straight guys in summer camps pursue the girls, whether they work there or not. So at 18 I think its perfectly normal for Endlessnight500 to develop a very strong crush and for it to mean a lot to him, for him to want to pursue it. I think its well within the realm of normal.

I would just caution you to get to know the guy very well first before you come out to him or make a move on him. Just like anywhere else in your life. Good luck!
 
Don't mess around with this. Without going into details, it is a difficult road to travel and not worth the little bit of joy it might bring you. It's a heart breaker without a doubt not to mention the anguish it can cause him. Let him be.
 
Riverrick said:
1. I think there's a double standard going on here. You know darn well that the straight guys in summer camps pursue the girls, whether they work there or not.

2. So at 18 I think its perfectly normal for Endlessnight500 to develop a very strong crush and for it to mean a lot to him, for him to want to pursue it. I think its well within the realm of normal.
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1. There is no double standard. This is a staff member of camp who wants to hit on (hook up with whatever) a camper. It is wrong. I do not buy the "someone else did it so it is ok." That is a childish argument. I take and send kids to church camp, and was just there last week. Any camp has got to be safe place for kids and that means no staffer hitting on them.

2.Just because it is normal, there come a point in growing up when you realize that every impulse is not a license to act.
 
JackFTwist said:
1. There is no double standard. This is a staff member of camp who wants to hit on (hook up with whatever) a camper. It is wrong. I do not buy the "someone else did it so it is ok." That is a childish argument. I take and send kids to church camp, and was just there last week. Any camp has got to be safe place for kids and that means no staffer hitting on them.

2.Just because it is normal, there come a point in growing up when you realize that every impulse is not a license to act.
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I think a little understanding and being realistic is in order here also. He's telling us the "kid" is 18 or older so we don't have to worry about a child being safe.

And yes there is a double standard here because a straight guy would just get a scolding and behind the scenes everyone would say "boys will be boys" and a gay guy would get booted out of the congregation and ostrasized and everyone would talk about how sick he is.

I'm not advocating that he shirk his responsibility as a camp cook and any agreements that he made when he took that position. I'm just saying, its understandable that he feels this way and doesn't want to hear opinions contrary to what he wants to do. And if the other guys's 18, I guess I don't see the harm in it.
 
the on ly mention I saw of the campers age is
The youth group is ages 14-21... and I'm 18
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which is quite an age range; pleae correct me if I missed something

wrong is wrong - an adult hitting on an adult in this situation is wrong - and please don't dare to presume to judge how we would view this in a straight situation if you are going to be wrong - staff (gender and orientation non specific) hitting on campers (gender and orientation non specific) is exactly what has been discussed - and that is a universal and that is what the rest of u have discussed

in 2-4 years when this camper hits 18 and posts here about some guy hustling him at church camp, when everyone posts how disgusting that was and how sick Christians are, will anyone remember that they cheered for that type of abuse now?
 
Contrary to what some others my think, I think you are just a normal guy who has developed a crush on a guy. Nothing wrong with that. Given the "environment" you are in, it's better not to play with fire. Unless it's crystal clear that he's gay, I wouldn't pursue anything.
 
JackFTwist said:
the on ly mention I saw of the campers age is which is quite an age range; pleae correct me if I missed something

wrong is wrong - an adult hitting on an adult in this situation is wrong - and please don't dare to presume to judge how we would view this in a straight situation if you are going to be wrong - staff (gender and orientation non specific) hitting on campers (gender and orientation non specific) is exactly what has been discussed - and that is a universal and that is what the rest of u have discussed

in 2-4 years when this camper hits 18 and posts here about some guy hustling him at church camp, when everyone posts how disgusting that was and how sick Christians are, will anyone remember that they cheered for that type of abuse now?
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Oh come one. He clearly told us that there are no legality issues and that he isn't hitting on a kid. If you're going to quote him, don't pick and choose what you quote.

As for how this is being judged, just look at the title. Its about a gay guy liking another guy at....gasp! Church camp! Its the church thingy that adds the emotional factor here and I don't think I'm wrong in noticing that some of the guys are bringing a gay bias to their answers. That is, the bias of a gay man trying to stay safe in a straight world.
 
I don't get it. What is wrong with getting to know someone? He did not say they were f*cking behind the cafeteria, just that he wanted to get to know him. Isn't that what life is about? Get his contact info and then when camp is over it is on to the good stuff.
 
Well I havent been able to update much, I've been too tired from working... Camp is over now, and I have his contact information... After i got off work i Hung out with him and we talked for almost 2 hours, it was cool...I even got a Hug lol. He has a friend that lives close to me and he stays at his house often, So thats good too. I'm in such a good mood I dont even care about some of the remarks I've gotten or the critisism... I'm just happy i can keep in touch with him, Live i have said earlier, I'm going to stay in the dorms next year as a camper, and he said he is going to come back next year too.
 
Great update! Sounds like you two get along well and you never know what the future will hold. Give him a call and go hang out.
 
No relationships with anyone while you're working? Damn, I think I've lost all my potential to find a mate for the rest of my life.

Are some of you also saying that if you find someone else at work that you like, you shouldn't develop an interest for them? I know two people where I work that worked in the same place at one time, and are now dating. Maybe I should tell them it's wrong to develop a relationship at work... I'm sure I'd look like the village idiot if I did.

Church camp is a bit of a different area, though---or so some say. Law, however, is law. It's as simple as this: if you're both over 18 and strike up feelings for one another, you cannot be denied the right to a relationship.

We're quickly starting to compile places where gay guys can't look for honest, open relationships: church camp, work, at bars, movie theaters. I wonder what other places are going to be added next.

I can see the argument for not being professional---but there is a way to be private about private matters. Wait until work is over, and discretely contact the person you're interested in. If it works out, fine. If not, move on.
 
Riverrick said:
Oh come one. He clearly told us that there are no legality issues and that he isn't hitting on a kid. If you're going to quote him, don't pick and choose what you quote.
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can you quote where that was said, please, because I cannot find it, I only found what I quoted.

the responses have nothing to do with *church* camp, would be the same with boy scout camp, band camp, science camp, even gay camp - staff should not ever hit on campers.
 
theblackajah said:
Tell him Jesus told you to suck his cock.
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LOL! that literally made me laugh out loud LOL!

Dude, i have had the same situation you have had, and while i won't go into DETAILS, i wouldn't go for it. Maybe get a number, email, myspace, or just talk to him to get to know him better, but do it OUTSIDE of church camp.

Needless to say mine turned to wars **wars** So i hope it goes great in all ways possible for you!! Good luck!! :goodluck
 
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