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I need some advice?? an analysis? similar experiences?

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So lets start with some info about me first. I'm bi, not out. No relationship at the moment.
I'm currently having an issue with a guy i think of as a close friend. He seems to be ignoring me. Which came out of the blue, seeing as how close i thought we were.

So this guy and me have been friends in college. Our friendship is very intimate for two guys. He was a virgin until his early 20's and i would encourage him to go out there and get with chicks. i would tell him in great detail about my exploits with women, so detailed it was pretty much verbal pornography. We used to talk about what chicks we were into, what we would do with them etc. Well he got a steady girlfriend and soon enough they were married, had a house and had a baby. But during this same period we'd still continue our talks about everything, work, politics and especially sex.

i would openly ask him if i could bang his gf and now wife (who im a mutual friend with btw) and he wouldn't feel insulted or get aggressive,he seemed to like the idea of us three in a threesome together. I showed him photos of my erect penis, which he admits looked 'nice', he said he even thought i was 'good looking' and 'wanked thinking about me fucking women'. He even said he'd like to have my sloppy seconds (post-creampie) and wouldn't mind fucklicking a chick i was fucking.

Well one time i suggested i see his cock for comparison as he's seen plenty of mine through pics and always bragged about his. he said he wouldnt take photos of it, but i suggested to him to compare in person. he seemed shocked but open to the idea. Well anyway after college we still chatted about the same things, but recently he had his son and since then he hasnt talked to me at all.

i at first thought he blocked me on social media, but he looks like he doesnt use facebook etc at all. which i confirmed through mutual friends. I normally would of texted him but have lost his number. I direct message him but get no reply. its been like a year since i last talked to him.

I thought it's not unusual with him working, his wife being on maternity leave and a new baby that he didnt have much free time. But to not even text message or to even ask how i am or anything kind of hurts.

So i kind of started to analyse the friendship. We work in the same industry and when i was unemployed he never offered to put in a good word for me or anything, but when our other acquaintance was looking for work he asked me if i knew of any jobs going around? Then i think about how i wasnt invited at his wedding but two people who knew both him and his wife were, who i know for a fact arent as close to him or her as i was. He even invited his work colleagues.

Now its got me thinking that maybe this whole time our friendship was merely a networking opportunity for him as we were in the same industry. Though im not that well connected to be some sort of great prize. I also think how in 99% of all our contact im the one to initiate the conversation, direct message first etc.

So i kind of want to know what you guys think of this friendship? i'm not attracted to him in a sexual way. i just assumed if i was open about sex and other topics and allowed myself to be vulnerable id have a deep and meaningful lifetime friendship. but now thinking back on everything i feel as if i was just used as wank fodder and gotten rid of as soon as life got serious and i couldn't be used as an opportunity. If he doesnt want to talk to me anymore or hates me, or just used me thats fine. but i long for the closure of a 'fuck you', or 'okay, well cya when i cya' or anything.

I genuinely felt that we were close, kind of like best friends and that we'd continue to be friends throughout our lives. I now have mixed feeling of confusion, sadness, anger, betrayal, rejection its kind of like a bad breakup. I think about if we ever met in the future, like worked for the same employer. Should i even acknowledge that i know him, or just pretend he doesnt exist. im just really hurt by the whole thing. So please guys give me your thoughts?
 
You said you are not sexually attracted to him, but it doesn't sound that way from what you shared. It sounds like much of your relationship was taken up by sex chat, a form of foreplay.
Since you are also friends with his wife, does that mean she has cut off contact, too? You never know what family dynamics might be in place that have caused him to change his mind about friendship with you.
Also, if you have never had a baby, you may not know that life as you knew it pretty much stops or changes drastically, at least for awhile.
 
He might be feeling guilty, or perhaps is sexually attracted to you, and wants to protect his marriage. Let him alone for a while. He might re-establish the relationship.
 
You said you are not sexually attracted to him, but it doesn't sound that way from what you shared. It sounds like much of your relationship was taken up by sex chat, a form of foreplay.
Since you are also friends with his wife, does that mean she has cut off contact, too? You never know what family dynamics might be in place that have caused him to change his mind about friendship with you.
Also, if you have never had a baby, you may not know that life as you knew it pretty much stops or changes drastically, at least for awhile.

No his wife and i get along fine. it wasn't foreplay, i just felt that if your completely open about topics that are otherwise taboo between straight men then maybe a deeper friendship would form. kind of like people who have done military service together are close, or been in sports team are close. i'm not a fan of this superficial friendships where they put up a fascade and talk about the weather, work or drink beer.
 
I am not trying to judge you. I just think you are not completely honest with yourself about your interest in him. Who send dick pics and asks to compare cocks with someone they are not attracted to. He says he has jacked off thinking of you and he in a threesome. I bet you have too, right. There is nothing wrong with how you feel, just be honest about it. I'm sure a big part is that is that you are closeted and enjoy this kind of sexual interaction with another male. I just wonder if now that he is married he is afraid of where your relationship is going sexually. Give it some thought?
 
I think you were too forward and too manipulative trying to force the friendship where YOU wanted it to go. He was polite and played along for a while, but he eventually became an adult and chose that life over the prying one with you. Asking to bang his wife was SO inappropriate. Asking to see his junk was too. Boundaries... get some!
 
Post #6 is good, nothing to add.
I noticed you wrote "sloppy seconds (post-creampie)". Is that what Sloppy seconds meant ? :)

Oh by the way,
there is one gay guy frequent in a public sauna & steam room (no nudity). He is a very good talker.
He always like to chat with young straight good looking men about sex mostly and they chat with him like old friends LOL. He is trying to get their cocks i think. One time i over heard him saying "no matter how good looking a gay guy is, he is not attracted to them" I was thinking mmmmmm bitter queen missing out something, trying to get what he cannot have.
 
I guess im just a horrible person. I guess its better off that we arent friends anymore. thanks everyone.
 
I guess im just a horrible person. I guess its better off that we arent friends anymore. thanks everyone.

No you are not.
You just horny and want to play.
The guy i talked about wasn't you.
 
I've decided that if said friend ever bothered to re-establish contact ill just tell him to fuck off. Whats the point of being a friend to someone who isnt a friend to you.
 
johnswiz, Sir, you had expectations which were dashed. Into your emotions you feed projections that are askew. Do not bitter yourself with the past. Leave the past behind. You are not the only boy to crush on a straight friend. We must enjoy the friends who surround us. We must love our straight friend because he makes the world beautiful and we see him our with intimate eyes. You see beauty. Good for you. Leave bitterness behind too, because without it you are beautiful.
 
Hey man,

I know exactly how you feel. I had a really close friend in high school and college that I thought was going to be a lifelong bud. The boundaries quickly got blurry...we talked about all things, but sex, our dicks, body grooming (even helping out with that), eventually cuddling, comparing, watching porn together and more (no sex). It morphed into something else. I cared big time about our friendship and I thought we were buds for life.

He got a girlfriend and things changed. They weren't an inclusive type of couIple they wanted to be alone a lot. I had a girl at the time too, but he withdrew big time and finally, he flat out just cut me off one day without saying a word. No response to text or calls or messages. It put me into a really bad tailspin. I was anxious, moody, depressed. Obviously the girl I was seeing bounce. It felt like shit.

Everything exploded finally at a group bday party in Vegas when I pretty much ruined everyone's time by getting super drunk and disappearing to the point where everyone was looking for me (so dramatic...yesh). I was so angry, felt so rejected, felt so self conscious. I HATED myself. I thought I was a bad friend. It felt difficult to trust people.

The hardest part was not getting the closure. Like, dude if you don't want to be friends that's fine but at least man up and tell me that, not just totally ghost. Either way, it was a horrible experience.

Sometimes, it still gets to me today because obviously we had some really awesome good times. But I'm telling you right now, man, don't beat yourself up with it. It's not worth it. If a person doesn't want to hang out with you, then fuck them, that's their problem. Take all the good memories you have with your buddy, cherish them, but don't spend too much time thinking about how it ended. It's not worth it! Fill the void by going to the gym or spending time with friends you haven't seen in awhile. I know it's hard but you can do it. Please spare yourself all the trouble and don't beat yourself up over it! Move on and go be with your friends.
 
Hey man,

I know exactly how you feel. I had a really close friend in high school and college that I thought was going to be a lifelong bud. The boundaries quickly got blurry...we talked about all things, but sex, our dicks, body grooming (even helping out with that), eventually cuddling, comparing, watching porn together and more (no sex). It morphed into something else. I cared big time about our friendship and I thought we were buds for life.

He got a girlfriend and things changed. They weren't an inclusive type of couIple they wanted to be alone a lot. I had a girl at the time too, but he withdrew big time and finally, he flat out just cut me off one day without saying a word. No response to text or calls or messages. It put me into a really bad tailspin. I was anxious, moody, depressed. Obviously the girl I was seeing bounce. It felt like shit.

Everything exploded finally at a group bday party in Vegas when I pretty much ruined everyone's time by getting super drunk and disappearing to the point where everyone was looking for me (so dramatic...yesh). I was so angry, felt so rejected, felt so self conscious. I HATED myself. I thought I was a bad friend. It felt difficult to trust people.

The hardest part was not getting the closure. Like, dude if you don't want to be friends that's fine but at least man up and tell me that, not just totally ghost. Either way, it was a horrible experience.

Sometimes, it still gets to me today because obviously we had some really awesome good times. But I'm telling you right now, man, don't beat yourself up with it. It's not worth it. If a person doesn't want to hang out with you, then fuck them, that's their problem. Take all the good memories you have with your buddy, cherish them, but don't spend too much time thinking about how it ended. It's not worth it! Fill the void by going to the gym or spending time with friends you haven't seen in awhile. I know it's hard but you can do it. Please spare yourself all the trouble and don't beat yourself up over it! Move on and go be with your friends.


Thanks for replying, this is the kind of response i was looking for. helps me heaps. thanks.
 
I've decided that if said friend ever bothered to re-establish contact ill just tell him to fuck off. Whats the point of being a friend to someone who isnt a friend to you.

I'm sure that might let you sleep at night, but it's never going to happen. Stop being bitter, and start trying to have a relationship with a guy that is gay or bisexual. Trying to get into a nerd's pants that gets his first girlfriend seems like a waste of time.
 
I'm sure that might let you sleep at night, but it's never going to happen. Stop being bitter, and start trying to have a relationship with a guy that is gay or bisexual. Trying to get into a nerd's pants that gets his first girlfriend seems like a waste of time.

johnswiz, PacificBeach is on the money. Dude, we respect you and want you to be happy. You may not have "him," but you've got us.
 
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