In at least 40 states, Republicans have introduced laws that would make voting more d

[White Eagle]

http://www.protectingthevote.org/?s...m_source=obama&utm_campaign=20111202_dws_full

I received an email from Debbie Wasserman Schultz. You know her, she's the Chair of the Democratic National Committee. The information in this site is paid for by the Democratic National Committee, so if you have problems with Democrats, I will save you some time, you can quit reading now.
This site has a string of pix showing all the states that have passed new laws that would make voting more difficult for everyone -- particularly minorities and young voters. Republicans have introduced laws in at least 40 states to keep minorities and young voters from voting. They admit it!
In the black banner at the top of the pix is a link to download the report. It is a pdf with more info about this action.

The National Voting Rights Institute is another site that has list upon list of actions the Dems are taking to correct this.

http://www.nvri.org/about/new.shtml

The National Voting Rights Institute is a non-partisan, non-profit organization committed to making real the promise of American democracy that meaningful political participation and power should be accessible to all regardless of economic or social status. NVRI is based in Boston, though NVRI can be found wherever in the country voters are disenfranchised.

In the Spring of 2006, NVRI signed a formal collaboration agreement with the organization Demos. You can read the press release about this collaboration agreement here. As of January 2007, all NVRI staff were hired by Demos, and now work out of Demos. NVRI as an organization continues to operate on a more reduced scale, supporting work done by Demos and continuing to further the goals of NVRI.

 

[Jack Springer]

This subject is so old.

If you're a legal citizen of the United States and follow all the rules to vote -- you can vote.

No one is keeping anyone from voting.

However, people do want to keep illegal people from voting and people from voting more than once.

It's that simple.

The NVRL is a about a non-partisan as Debbie Schultz. Look where they get their funding.

 

[Seasoned]

If it only were that simple! There is very little voter fraud. That is a fact. These new regulations target minority voters who are likely to vote Democratic. It's that simple. This is an assault on full voter participation. It's ugly and it's, quite frankly, anti-American. The Republicans are now the old Dixiecrats. Brilliant strategy which will bite them in the ass as soon as a respected Republican calls them out on it. Karl Rove should crawl back to the mire from which he emerged.

 

[andysayshi]

It's extraordinary just how hard it is to vote in the US.

 

[White Eagle]

If it only were that simple! There is very little voter fraud. That is a fact. These new regulations target minority voters who are likely to vote Democratic. It's that simple. This is an assault on full voter participation. It's ugly and it's, quite frankly, anti-American. The Republicans are now the old Dixiecrats. Brilliant strategy which will bite them in the ass as soon as a respected Republican calls them out on it. Karl Rove should crawl back to the mire from which he emerged.

You say it better than I. Thanks.

 

[JayHawk]

What is extraordinary is how failure prone voting systems and machines were found to be when the Bush/Gore controversial vote occurred.

Democratic voters felt betrayed at that point and yet have done very little to change or shore up the vote and make the process tamper proof.

Why don't Democrats offer up alternative bills and work them into circulation to fix what was perceived as inadequate.

Don't cry fucking wolf and then get upset when things are set into motion to change the way the system works. To make it more difficult BUT to ensure those eligible ARE the people voting.

Go figure politicians in the United States making laws and policy that benefits themselves and the party of people they represent. (or for that matter any fucking where)

 

[White Eagle]

This subject is so old.

If you're a legal citizen of the United States and follow all the rules to vote -- you can vote.

No one is keeping anyone from voting.

However, people do want to keep illegal people from voting and people from voting more than once.

It's that simple.

The NVRL is a about a non-partisan as Debbie Schultz. Look where they get their funding.

If you will look at this site,
http://www.protectingthevote.org/?s...m_source=obama&utm_campaign=20111202_dws_full

on the 8th slide you will see this about Dorothy Cooper.

Dorothy Cooper is a 96-year-0ld resident of Chattanooga. She was born before the 19th Amendment was ratified and grew up during the height of Jim Crow. She had never experienced any problems voting -- until Tennessee Republicans enacted a photo ID mandate in 2011. In October, she went to her local driver service center, bringing numerous residency and identity documents. But Tennessee refused to issue her a photo ID because she did not have a marriage certificate.

This is but one example. Voter fraud is extremely rare and like you are always saying, "Open your mind" and look at the examples at both links I gave in the first post. The pdf is only 73 pages long. Have fun reading.
The Republicans ARE passing laws to keep certain Democrat prone voters from registering.
Read Seasoned's post again He describes it extremely well.

 

[JayHawk]

To review a non partisan (sorta) source here isa few line from politico on Dems defense of voting.

We witnessed the culmination of these positive changes in the 2008 presidential election – which had the largest and most demographically diverse electorate in U.S. history.

^^ That is pretty stating that reality occurred.

• 
  * Census: U.S. becoming more diverse
  Latinos, African Americans, Asians and other minorities account for about a third of the U.S. population. Hispanics are the fastest-growing group.
  * Obama's Hope: A Younger, More Diverse Electorate
  * Just do a search for your region and there will be an edifying article on the growing diversity in your community

Now I wont in the least bit argue that Republicans are attempting to regulate voting because it benefits them. I would also say that swinging wide the doors and having no checks benefits Democrats. I would even be willing to say a Democrat would willingly take illegal immigrant voting and add it to their bottom line.

To those who say there isnt any fraud occurring I would ask one thing. How do you know if there were no qualifying requirements in the first place? If you didnt check the first time then how can you go back and claim there was no fraud?

 

[JayHawk]

If you will look at this site,
http://www.protectingthevote.org/?s...m_source=obama&utm_campaign=20111202_dws_full

on the 8th slide you will see this about Dorothy Cooper.



This is but one example. Voter fraud is extremely rare and like you are always saying, "Open your mind" and look at the examples at both links I gave in the first post. The pdf is only 73 pages long. Have fun reading.
The Republicans ARE passing laws to keep certain Democrat prone voters from registering.
Read Seasoned's post again He describes it extremely well.

My mother is somewhat in the same boat. She has a birth certificate that says her middle name is Lavonne but all of her teachers thought a little white girl ought to be a Yvonne so they changed it for her. She has gone her entire life with the name Yvonne. Now that she is trying to regain a Ohio drivers license the new rules in effect after 9/11 are preventing her from doing so until she goes to probate.

Yet that is an isolated case of providing the correct proof after a life of essentially living under a false name. After the hijackers came to this country and then obtained drivers licenses in state with little to no proof of who they are I would like the strength in identification. I have no issue with that what so ever. DO the democrats desire to make it easier for hijackers to get licenses?

 

[jackoroe]

It's extraordinary just how hard it is to vote in the US.

Well, some would have you believe that to be the case. I vote in every election that I'm allowed to. That's a school board election, sometimes a fire board election and the general election in November. I don't get to vote in primaries.

If there is no line, I'm in and out in under two minutes. Voting should be harder than it is. Too many uninformed people elect too many uninformed politicians. There should be a test of basic knowledge about how government works before they let you vote.

 

[JayHawk]

I disagree Jack. i think if you are of age then you should be allowed BUT I also believe that you should be a citizen. 11 million and counting illegals should not be voting.

Espeicially if you consider one party desires to simply brush off the illegal act and grant benefits to those already here. While the other party desires to set a penalty bar for those who chose to go around the system.

Which side do you think those 11 million desire to vote for?

 

[jackoroe]

I disagree Jack. i think if you are of age then you should be allowed BUT I also believe that you should be a citizen. 11 million and counting illegals should not be voting.

Espeicially if you consider one party desires to simply brush off the illegal act and grant benefits to those already here. While the other party desires to set a penalty bar for those who chose to go around the system.

Which side do you think those 11 million desire to vote for?

I'm sure I'll catch grief for this, but I do seem to recall democrats lobbying for convicted felons to have the vote. Experience tells me that they would only do so if it were to their advantage. That simply makes sense. So, I think it reasonable to conclude that people who break the law might tend to support democrats. On the other hand, the republicans tend to attract all manner of pervert and deviant known to man. So, you pay your money and you takes your choice.

 

[opinterph]

Voting should be harder than it is. Too many uninformed people elect too many uninformed politicians.

Simply eliminating Party affiliation from the names listed on the ballot would render many voters clueless.

 

[White Eagle]

Herein, JayHawk, jackroe and the rest of us have the problem of deciding if there really is a case for fraud or not.
Republicans are saying there is fraud a lot, but the dems say it is not that much of a problem. So, what is it?

 

[Jack Springer]

Simply eliminating Party affiliation from the names listed on the ballot would render many voters clueless.

Sounds simple and effective. However where I live, the democrat party hands out sample ballots and voters are allowed to bring them into the booth so they know how to vote.

 

[Kulindahr]

If you will look at this site,
http://www.protectingthevote.org/?s...m_source=obama&utm_campaign=20111202_dws_full

on the 8th slide you will see this about Dorothy Cooper.



This is but one example. Voter fraud is extremely rare and like you are always saying, "Open your mind" and look at the examples at both links I gave in the first post. The pdf is only 73 pages long. Have fun reading.
The Republicans ARE passing laws to keep certain Democrat prone voters from registering.
Read Seasoned's post again He describes it extremely well.

I call that voter fraud. Just because it's the government doing it doesn't change that.

A proposed amendment:

No law shall be permitted which places impediments to voting on more citizens that the firmly established figure for voter fraud.

 

[frankfrank]

Now I wont in the least bit argue that Republicans are attempting to regulate voting because it benefits them. I would also say that swinging wide the doors and having no checks benefits Democrats

It shouldn't matter at all whether one Party or the other BENEFITS from the maximum numbers of people voting. (Jay, I think you were trying to say "Republicans aren't..." - right? - that would be the corollary of your sentence about Democrats.) If instead Republicans benefited by having the maximum voter turnout, betcha they wouldn't be trying to put in restrictions of any kind, and they'd even want the voters mentioned in my final jackoroe quote below.

Too many uninformed people elect too many uninformed politicians.

Uninformed and stupid people have lives, too, and they deserve the right (as with anybody else) to vote for who they want most to [allegedly] represent them.

I do seem to recall democrats lobbying for convicted felons to have the vote.

The last I checked, I'm not aware that convicts LOSE their citizenship or basic human rights (other than, of course, to come-and-go and travel at will). I believe voting to be a universal and very basic human right which, once earned, is inalienable outside of Constitutional criminal conduct (i.e. conviction for treason).

The right is "earned" by attaining the age of 18 years old, or 21 years old if you're listening to Rick Perry.

I believe even people on Death Row should be allowed to vote. I'm not sure, though, "WHERE" their vote should count...in the district where the prison is, or in their last known home district?

I'm still torn about the policy whether "illegal aliens" should be allowed to vote, though. My thought is that I would say NO to it but, if they went "back home" and applied for legal immigration, they would be on the voter rolls as soon as they have been recognized to have filed for legal immigration.

(On that side issue, I also feel that all people here illegally should be allowed to file for legal immigration - WHICH SHOULD BE STREAMLINED to take no more than two or three weeks...we have COMPUTERS and DATABASES and all that-there stuff y'know. In fact, illegal immigrants should be REQUIRED to file for legal immigration...with a date-certain, if they fail to file, that they will be deported if caught. I think the interminably long wait, which still takes years legally, is the biggest reason that so many come in illegally by "jumping to the front of the queue" if I may say so.)

Even better, I wish that we had a system like they do in AUSTRALIA - where everybody is required to vote after the qualifying age and, if they do not vote, there is a fine that's large enough to hurt.

 

[JayHawk]

No I was trying to say they ARE trying to change the flow of voters because it benefits them JUST as the Democrats want it to stay the same because it can benefit the Democrats if say illegals can vote.

I still fail to see how people come back and say later there was no fraud if you had no quality assurance when the voter was standing in front of you. The more appropriate statement would be we detected no fraud. I also drive to work at around 80 in a 65 with 100 of my fellow metro dwellers and nobody gets tickets.... so I guess no body was speeding.

 

[Kulindahr]

Let a thousand illegals vote so long as one eligible citizen can.

 

[jackoroe]

The last I checked, I'm not aware that convicts LOSE their citizenship or basic human rights (other than, of course, to come-and-go and travel at will). I believe voting to be a universal and very basic human right which, once earned, is inalienable outside of Constitutional criminal conduct (i.e. conviction for treason).

Actually, a convict is considered to be civilly dead. That's the whole premise behind restricting their right to move about, speak freely, enter into contracts, freely associate and of course to vote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_death



Some states disallow criminals the ability to vote while on probation or parole. Some make the disability permanent. That's their right, because we are a country made up of 50 states.

Sex offenders are frequently prohibited from voting. Now, if the DNC wants to go fight for the rights of sex offenders and child molesters, be my guest. I don't think decent people are going to line up behind them. On the other hand, some things shouldn't be felonies. Posessing drugs that the state has deemed dangerous to your health should not be a barrier to voting. The definition of felony is what is important in this discussion.