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Is he playing hard to get, or just not into me?

saymyname

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Ever since I've been back on the dating scene, I've remembered how much of it is confusing mindgames and I'm already sick of it. The situation I'm in now is kind of similar to the last one, but not *as* sketchy.

Basically, I met this guy at a club last week through a mutual friend. I walked him back to his bus stop at 3:30 in the morning and he asks for my phone number. We talked on facebook chat when we got home too. He's really nice, gorgeous, I have a crush on him. The next night we made plans to go out to another party together. I went over to his apartment, we had a few beers, then went to the party. It was fun. I noticed that he wouldn't dance very close and thought maybe he's just looking for friends. He told me he has to be drunk to do that kind of stuff (dance sexy, make out, etc.) and that, in general, he likes to know a guy a bit before getting with him.

So on the walk home, I ask him if that means he'd like to go on an actual date sometime, and he said sure. Then when we both got back to our own apartments, he messages me on fb chat again, eventually asking me if I'm a top or a bottom, and I told him I'm versatile and he said so is he... so I don't know why he asked me that if he's not interested...

Then, I didn't hear anything from him for a few days... so on wednesday I called him to ask him on a date. We made decent small talk and he said "maybe" for sunday. So I said okay, I'll call you sunday. Then, last night, I wrote him on fb chat to ask if he was going out. He said "i don't know" to which I replied "well okay then." But then, he asked me if I was, so I told him I was, and then he started texting me saying I could come to his apartment to leave with him if I want, and before you know it we're meeting each other in front of the club, waiting for his friend to arrive who was getting us in for free. I ask him how he feels about sunday and he said it can't work because he has to study, but that we could do it later.

As soon as his friend shows up we go inside and the rest of the night felt like a mess. I feel so played. I felt excluded from the conversation, and once he even walked away (following his friend) without even motioning for me to come with him. Then I saw him inside and I said, "look, do you want to hang out with me tonight, or what? I don't want to feel like I'm following you around. You walked away without saying anything..." to which he was just like "No it's fine, of course, come with us," so I did... then later on we were outside again, talking, and I was wondering who this friend of his was, because they were clearly very affectionate with each other... so I asked him if it was an ex. This frustrated him and he said "You're boring" because he said every time he says he knows someone, I ask him how... and I was just like, "how does that make me boring? I don't know anything about you, or your history, so I'm trying to understand what role these people play in your life. I'm just curious about you. How can you call me boring when you hardly know anything about me? Do you even know what I major in?" and he doesn't because he never asked. All he had to say was "that's what it's like when you just meet someone."

Then, later on in the night, a group of us were dancing together and he was dancing REALLY sexy with his 'friend' and then walked off to another part of the dance floor with a guy I know. Outside, we exchanged a few sentences, and then he said goodnight - no hug goodbye, nothing.

I don't know what happened or what his deal is. Maybe I came off a little too eager? Maybe he's just looking for friends? But then why was he so flirtatious before and asking me what position I like? I know we've only known each other for a week, but when I like someone, I'm pretty open about it - I'll ask him on a date, kiss at a party, whatever... maybe he's just much slower than me... I've already decided that I'm just not going to text him or write him at all anymore. He knows I like him so he can decide what to do with it. Any ideas?
 
oh yeah one other thing. on the dance floor, this guy pinched his nipple, like in a friendly way, a guy that he met when the nipple-pincher was in drag last week. so he (the guy i like) SLAPPED the nipple pincher. Who the fuck fucking slaps someone like that for being a little flirtatious!?
 
OK, slow down. If you just take what comes as it comes, you'll be better off.

It didn't work with the last guy, it didn't work with this guy, it probably won't work with a couple more guys before you find a guy.

You're under no obligation to stick around, if I felt ignored, I'd probably vote with my feet and go do my own thing, maybe find another guy, and if the original guy asked me why, I'd tell him that he seemed more interested in his friend.

You did your part, you don't owe anything more, if it's up to him, let him do or don't do whatever. It's not good for your peace of mind to put any expectations on guys you just met.

If he sticks around for awhile, and seems genuinely interested in spending time with you, then you can start thinking a little more serious.

Until then, it's just another night out, and those should be fun.
 
These things can be annoying, but don't let it dissuade you from getting back out there.
This guy seems uncommunicative, so I wouldn't bother, maybe you're at a more mature or extroverted social level than he.
Just move on, if he actually wants to be your friend/date then let him be the one to take the next step. But it doesn't sounds as if you two will get along in the long run.
 
Thanks guys.

OK, slow down. If you just take what comes as it comes, you'll be better off.

It didn't work with the last guy, it didn't work with this guy, it probably won't work with a couple more guys before you find a guy.

You're under no obligation to stick around, if I felt ignored, I'd probably vote with my feet and go do my own thing, maybe find another guy, and if the original guy asked me why, I'd tell him that he seemed more interested in his friend.

You did your part, you don't owe anything more, if it's up to him, let him do or don't do whatever. It's not good for your peace of mind to put any expectations on guys you just met.

If he sticks around for awhile, and seems genuinely interested in spending time with you, then you can start thinking a little more serious.

Until then, it's just another night out, and those should be fun.

Thanks so much. I practically want to print this out and tape it to my bedroom wall. I was GOING to vote with my feet and just look around for other people, that's why I asked if that guy was his ex, and that's why I asked if he wanted to hang out and expressed that I didn't want to be imposing. But he kind of danced around both questions, so I stuck around for the most part. The thing is, whenever I *do* go out alone, or walk around a club alone, I almost ALWAYS make friends and meet someone and get a phone number. That's why I felt so pissed off at the end of the night because there I was, kind of following this guy around, being confused about him, when my last situation with a guy was that way (unbalanced) and my last relationship was unbalanced, and I'm thinking to myself, fuck this, this is what what I need, this isn't my game. I could have easily done that and probably met another cute guy, but I felt like we were sort of there 'together' or that he expected me to stay around him. Anyways, I'm just going to take your advice verbatim because it's perfect. We have an up-in-the-air coffee date for next week (since last night he said we'd do it later), so I'm going to back off and let him bring that up if he wants to.

If not, maybe he's just looking for friends or moves super slow or just thinks I'm cute but not really dating material. He is, after all, only in this city for 3 more months before moving back to Europe.
 
Thanks guys.



Thanks so much. I practically want to print this out and tape it to my bedroom wall. I was GOING to vote with my feet and just look around for other people, that's why I asked if that guy was his ex, and that's why I asked if he wanted to hang out and expressed that I didn't want to be imposing. But he kind of danced around both questions, so I stuck around for the most part. The thing is, whenever I *do* go out alone, or walk around a club alone, I almost ALWAYS make friends and meet someone and get a phone number. That's why I felt so pissed off at the end of the night because there I was, kind of following this guy around, being confused about him, when my last situation with a guy was that way (unbalanced) and my last relationship was unbalanced, and I'm thinking to myself, fuck this, this is what wha t I need, this isn't my game. I could have easily done that and probably met another cute guy, but I felt like we were sort of there 'together' or that he expected me to stay around him. Anyways, I'm just going to take your advice verbatim because it's perfect. We have an up-in-the-air coffee date for next week (since last night he said we'd do it later), so I'm going to back off and let him bring that up if he wants to.

If not, maybe he's just looking for friends or moves super slow or just thinks yI'm cute but not really dating material. He is, after all, only in this city for 3 more months before moving back to Europe.


you have just given yourself the major reeason not to waste any more time with and or on this guy.. walk away from him now - there is no future with him. sorry about that.

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Well, I'm not just going to not be friends with or date someone just because they might be moving soon. He may be moving to NYC and I could be moving there in 8 months as well.

I just can't figure out why he messages me and stuff and asks if I'm a top or bottom if he doesn't just want to date or FUCK already.
 
I'm not sure why you would want to date someone if they were moving in 3 months. However, he doesn't seem interested. He might have been interested in sex at one point, but even that has probably passed.
 
it sounds like initially he just wanted some booty.
but nope, he's not into you. just ignore him.

but that goes against everything i said about how he basically told me he only dates and does not hook up... and he asked me if i'm a top or a bottom AFTER he told me that... if he just wanted to fuck i'd be totally down for that.
 
Yeah, I missed that point in your original post, say. Regardless, I think he's not into you. You seem to be able to find a guy without too much of a hassle.

If I were you, I'd take all the energy you're using thinking about him and get out there and find a guy that's not into mindgames.
 
Yeah, maybe I just read him wrong - he's a really casually friendly kind of guy, so maybe I took that as flirting or something. Who knows. I'm gonna back off of him for a while. He's insanely gorgeous and I hate it when I let people get away with things they shouldn't just because I'm attracted to them.

I need to learn how to follow the path of least resistance a bit more. It just seems like almost every guy I meet is into mindgames. A lot of young gay guys here (and probably other cities) tend to be really image obsessed, aspiring models who just want to be as popular as fucking possible and have way too much attitude. If they aren't into mindgames because of the social aspect of shopping around, then it's because they totally enjoy the validating sense of attention they get from whoever they're stringing along.

Not that I'm totally innocent. I make out with random guys and then never want to see them again more than I should... But I'm sorry, sometimes I just want to make out and it doesn't mean anything. Maybe he just gets phone numbers and makes sex eyes at you all night and asks if you're a top or bottom and it doesn't mean anything either.
 
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Maybe he just gets phone numbers and makes sex eyes at you all night and asks if you're a top or bottom and it doesn't mean anything either.

Yeah, maybe.

Where do you meet guys? Perhaps you should try meeting guys in other places?
 
Yeah, maybe.

Where do you meet guys? Perhaps you should try meeting guys in other places?

Well, since I've been single and starting to feel good about it again, mostly at clubs and parties since that's the easiest route. Sometimes online too. But honestly, at a club or party is easiest, but it could have a correlation with why I keep meeting flaky guys. I don't live in NYC though, it's not like I can go and join a gay social group around some particular subject, Montreal is just party, party, party.

My ex I met online - only chatted for a bit before he came over. So it was basically like meeting in person. I like that kind of thing a lot.
 
Perhaps meeting a guy online could allow you to find guys that share other interests outside of clubbing? Don't get me wrong, I love clubbing, but I think you might want to ground your relationship in other interests so you get a change of scene and guys.

Good luck!
 
That sounds like a good idea. Thanks :)

and thanks to everyone else too! I've been getting great advice here lately. You guys rock.
 
Walk away and allow the guy to pursue you. You have sent a clear message that you like this guy and have actually pursued him a bit. Now it is his turn to reciprocate the gesture. If he does. great! If not, his lost!

The same advice goes for any other guy you meet. Send a clear message that you are interested. If he reciprocates, great! It takes too much energy and time to play mind games.
 
This guy is an idiot. But you are not making look any better. If a guy invited me out ignored me with his friends then called me boring, I wouldnt dream of trying to make anything work with him.

It seems like you are a little desperate for a relationship. You are never gonna find a decent guy in this state. You don't usually find a good guy when you are looking. So maybe you should just focus on oter things in your life like your education, career, and friends and the right guy will come along.

Plus you seem to want a steady relationship, not just sex. And online and clubs are not the best places to find that. For guys that are relationship material, try someone you meet through friends or through some sort of class you are taking. If you are not in school you can join some sort of group or take a cooking lessons or dances instruction.
 
I acknowledged that maybe I am coming off as being too eager. I wouldn't say I'm eager or desperate for a relationship, but I'm definitely feeling a little frisky and would like to date someone or have a fling or a romance or something. It doesn't have to be a serious relationship, but that would be nice too. I agree with you though and I've thought about you - people never find love or whatever they're looking for when they're looking so hard for it, trying so hard, which is why I said I need to follow the path of least resistance more. I was in a year long relationship and I found it a little while after I stopped looking and just let things happen and let things come to me naturally.

Although I would disagree with you about online/clubs. I'm a full time university student and I work part time, and still, most of the guys I meet are either online or through parties. I'm 22, I don't need to take a cooking lesson or dancing instructions to meet hot guys - all I have to do is walk outside ;). Anyways, I wonder what it is about being on the lookout that makes it so difficult to actually get something going - perhaps it's having expectations set unrealistically high for people one has just met.

mbamike - I agree!
 
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