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Is there a point to "coming out" if youre single?

ladude2011

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Just a thought ive been having lately. Ive trying to get used to the fact of being gay more and more, of course its still a secret. Even from myself still at times. I feel like im making progress though. Anyway, I just was thinking that I really dont need to tell anyone if I'm single because whats the point anyway? If I had a bf then I can see why its not fair to either person to hide it. But just telling people that I'm attracted to men, I dont see the point. It doesnt feel like its anyone business. Just like it isnt anyone's business of anything else about me, like how much money i make, or how old i am, etc. I decided that Im going to keep it to myself until i do get a bf that I really care about and vice versa (which im not ready for yet) but when i am, i feel like thats the best way for me. I guess i also dont understand the whole "coming out" process anyway, does it have to be a big announcement? Straight people dont make announcements that they are straight. People just find out naturally, i think thats the way it will be with me if and when i do eventually get into a relationship.
 
It's easier to find a boyfriend if you're out.
Even if he's interested, a guy probably won't approach you if he thinks you're straight.
 
Right, people find out naturally. Just by you being you.

And not lying.

If someone asks who you think the hottest actresses are, don't wimp out and give an answer. Tell them who the hottest actors are. You never have to say "I'm gay".

Good luck!
 
Hi,most of us on here have been where you are now,coming out is something that we all seem to do at our own pace when we feel ready to do so.Having said that,once you accept the fact that your gay and become confident wth it,it seems as though most of us seem to get little urges to tell someone,those little urges grow until it is something that is constantly niggling away until you do something about it.

Being in the closet seems to work for so long,but as you continue hiding who you are it eventually comes to a point where you find yourself hiding everything from your family and friends.E ven simple question such as "do you have a girlfriend" end up with more awkward non-truths.All the hiding you need to do can become difficult,often causing depression and ending up with you isolated from loved ones.

My advice:- While you are still comfortable to stay closeted,at least feel out your friends and family,work out who would be accepting and who you would confide in first if you got a boyfriend.At least by doing this you know where you can turn if you start getting those urges to spill the beans to someone,trust me,once those urges start they dont go away and you will know the time has come to open up and get this off of your mind.Coming out not only lets others know who you are attracted to but also lets you live your life freely without having to watch eveything you say or even who your with,this in itself is a huge burden off of your own mind.If you decide to tell anyone,just remember to keep it simple and to the point,dont make it into a drama and they most likely wont turn it into a drama,just accept you as you.
 
Right, people find out naturally. Just by you being you.

And not lying.

If someone asks who you think the hottest actresses are, don't wimp out and give an answer. Tell them who the hottest actors are. You never have to say "I'm gay".

Good luck!
I feel like i am myself for the most part, and i havent lied recently since ive started to come to terms. Ive been asked if i have a gf and i say no which is the truth. Ive never been asked if im gay though, so i dont know what my response would be at this point.

I appreciate your response but why would I tell them who the hottest actors are if the question was who the hottest actresses are? There are a lot of hot actresses out there i could name. i dont want to sleep with them, but because I'm gay doesnt mean i'm blind.
 
Hi,most of us on here have been where you are now,coming out is something that we all seem to do at our own pace when we feel ready to do so.Having said that,once you accept the fact that your gay and become confident wth it,it seems as though most of us seem to get little urges to tell someone,those little urges grow until it is something that is constantly niggling away until you do something about it.

Being in the closet seems to work for so long,but as you continue hiding who you are it eventually comes to a point where you find yourself hiding everything from your family and friends.E ven simple question such as "do you have a girlfriend" end up with more awkward non-truths.All the hiding you need to do can become difficult,often causing depression and ending up with you isolated from loved ones.

My advice:- While you are still comfortable to stay closeted,at least feel out your friends and family,work out who would be accepting and who you would confide in first if you got a boyfriend.At least by doing this you know where you can turn if you start getting those urges to spill the beans to someone,trust me,once those urges start they dont go away and you will know the time has come to open up and get this off of your mind.Coming out not only lets others know who you are attracted to but also lets you live your life freely without having to watch eveything you say or even who your with,this in itself is a huge burden off of your own mind.If you decide to tell anyone,just remember to keep it simple and to the point,dont make it into a drama and they most likely wont turn it into a drama,just accept you as you.

Thanks for that. i dont think though i will ever get the urge to voluntarily tell people that i like men because i dont see it as anyones business. i do however hope to get to the point soon where i dont care if anyone finds out or if im asked ill be honest. but after thinking about it more and more, ill know ill never be to the point where i need to formally tell people. Its not a big part of my life, especially since im single and will stay that way for the time being, so its not something that needs announcing. i know everyone is different, this is just how i feel.
 
I feel like i am myself for the most part, and i havent lied recently since ive started to come to terms. Ive been asked if i have a gf and i say no which is the truth. Ive never been asked if im gay though, so i dont know what my response would be at this point.

I appreciate your response but why would I tell them who the hottest actors are if the question was who the hottest actresses are? There are a lot of hot actresses out there i could name. i dont want to sleep with them, but because I'm gay doesnt mean i'm blind.
Well, you're doing exactly what I said not to do--lie. :)

No, the fact that you don't have a girlfriend is literally the truth, but by leaving it there you've also answered the unspoken question ("are you looking for a girlfriend?") with a lie.

A more truthful answer would be, "no, but I'm not looking for one; I'm looking for prince charming." see? You never have to say, "I'm gay". People will figure it out. You just have to be honest.

This doesn't happen overnight. So don't beat yourself up over it. Just think about alternative answers to questions like these that will clue people in.

And please stop saying "it's none of their business". It is their business if they're a friend or family.

Love yourself for who you are, and find people who will love you for who you are.

More than likely you are kidding no one. Most people with a clue probably already suspect. (*8*)
 
Ignoring the rest, and focusing on the topic question - YES! There is always a "point" to being out. It destroys people's ability to hurt you for who you are when you embrace it, instead of hide it. It gives you courage that you have never even dreamed you could possess. It improves your dating chances tenfold. And it makes you whole.

I am not gonna go through how we all know what you're going through. That's a given. We do.

Now it's time to get over it. Tell people. Tell the world. Let them come at you if they will, and bask in the love when they don't. There is so much joy in being out, in knowing your biggest, darkest secret has been turned into the source of your greatest strength...



...also, I'd think very hard before dating a closeted guy. All those issues you know :p
 
Well you shouldn't come out for anyone but yourself. It means you are comfortable with yourself, which is healthy in being in a relationship in the first place. I would have hesitated to date my boyfriend if he were in the closet. Come out while you're single. It'll make you look more appealing if anything.
 
Ignoring the rest, and focusing on the topic question - YES! There is always a "point" to being out. It destroys people's ability to hurt you for who you are when you embrace it, instead of hide it. It gives you courage that you have never even dreamed you could possess. It improves your dating chances tenfold. And it makes you whole.

I am not gonna go through how we all know what you're going through. That's a given. We do.

Now it's time to get over it. Tell people. Tell the world. Let them come at you if they will, and bask in the love when they don't. There is so much joy in being out, in knowing your biggest, darkest secret has been turned into the source of your greatest strength...



...also, I'd think very hard before dating a closeted guy. All those issues you know :p

Excellent advice!..|
 
Thanks for that. i dont think though i will ever get the urge to voluntarily tell people that i like men because i dont see it as anyones business. i do however hope to get to the point soon where i dont care if anyone finds out or if im asked ill be honest. but after thinking about it more and more, ill know ill never be to the point where i need to formally tell people. Its not a big part of my life, especially since im single and will stay that way for the time being, so its not something that needs announcing. i know everyone is different, this is just how i feel.

Lies of omission, lies of commission, the intent to deceive is the same.

OK, when you say this:

"...Its not a big part of my life..." You're lying to yourself. In fact it's a huge part of your life, that you spend a great deal of time hiding and avoiding. I'm quite sure that the amount of time you spend dealing with the consequences of your sexuality is actually larger than if you were out. It's always the case.

The other thing is, you're trying to distance yourself from your sexuality, trying to be a straight guy who just happens to like cock, and that's nothing really, just an inconsequential nothing that really has nothing to do with anything.

Which is also a lie you're telling yourself. It tells us you aren't comfortable with yourself, and who you are. There is a difference between admitting you like guys and accepting it.

In fact, our sexuality is a huge part of all of our lives. It defines us, drives us, affects how we are perceived and how we treat and perceive others - it permeates our culture, people's sexuality is everywhere you look, in just about everything you come into contact with.

And people who are not ashamed of their sexuality, have no problem whatsoever telling people not only what it might be, but explicitly who they happen to be fucking at any given moment.

Every time you get introduced to someone's girlfriend/wife/boyfriend/husband, see pictures of their lives and families - listen to your buddies talk smack at the pool hall, hell see parents at the school picking up thier kids, that's people PUBLICLY announcing thier sexuality and explicitly who they're fucking. No shame, no disclaimer, no statements of how it's no one's business, no minimizing how it's not a big part of life. It's not private, it's not inconsequential and it never has been, it's always been unabashedly public and hugely a part of life. These things are pretty fucking obvious.

The only reason you would say otherwise is because you have problems with you.

And that's fine, you'll move as fast as you will. But trust me on this, you'll move faster if you stop lying to yourself.

I have no doubt you aren't going to listen to anyone of us, and your justifications will defend themselves in your mind, you'll get offended, insist we don't know you, get upset, and probably ultimately dismiss all of this - that's OK too, you won't go faster than you will.

But consider this, if you won't come out for you, you won't come out for someone else, and that's just life. If you can't find the courage to do this for yourself, no one will push you into it.

In the end, we always come out for ourselves - or we don't come out at all; and you're stuck in a feedback loop - you won't come out unless you're in a relationship, but no one knows you're gay. Catch 22.

You won't get a guy unless you tell someone, and then it's likely he won't date you unless you tell other people. Which pretty much tells you that you're making excuses for not coming out, which brings us back to you having a problem with you.

As has been said, most of us have been there, and time and circumstance change, but you'll go faster, if you accept the truth that it does matter and it is other people's business.
 
Hi again Ladude

I would advise you not to make any rash decisions about whether or not to come out to anyone.You should not have to push yourself into it,once you have fully accepted who you are and become more comfortable with yourself it will just come more naturaly.

Just keep an open mind,thinking that it may happen one day is a far healthier way to live than putting up a gaurd to hide who you are.

I just wonder if your subconsious is already contemplating talking to someone.Something brought this subject to mind for you to start this thread.

Youve had some good advice on here,most of us know how you feel,but most of this stuff will make far more sence in six to twelve months time as things develop a little further down the line.

I agree with you about it not beeing anyone elses business but as others have said,it just is,its part of who you are and cant realisticaly not be noticed.Lack of a girlfriend just puts you into the suspect group without any other "gay" traits that others can pick up on you.

As the years go by you begin to notice that all your friends get partnered or married,this can be a very lonely time if your closeted and get left out,join some lgbt organisations and make a few new friends and mix with a variety of other gay people,doing this will do wonders for your self acceptance and confidence.
 
You don't need a coming out parade or a billboard. You need to know who you are first. Once you know who you are, then you can decide what's comfortable to you to tell other people in your life.

It's a lot easier to date and have sex with other guys if other people know you are out. If you don't plan to date and have sex with other guys, then you don't have to come out.
 
ladude2011 said:
Is there a point to "coming out" if youre single?

Coming out is about you. It's not about boyfriends or anyone one else. It's a selfish act that frees you from hiding, lying, changing genders, apologizing or any of the other baggage that comes with being in the closet.

And as a bonus, being out also makes it clear that you're single and gay. :)
 
Handle this anyway you wish. When the stress of the secret out weighs the stress of people finding out you'll know it's time.
 
I feel like i am myself for the most part, and i havent lied recently since ive started to come to terms. Ive been asked if i have a gf and i say no which is the truth. Ive never been asked if im gay though, so i dont know what my response would be at this point.

I appreciate your response but why would I tell them who the hottest actors are if the question was who the hottest actresses are? There are a lot of hot actresses out there i could name. i dont want to sleep with them, but because I'm gay doesnt mean i'm blind.


this... is... rationalizing. you are rationalizing your decision to stay in the closet.

there are a lot of pretty girl actors, like anne hathaway. (lol, i couldnt help but mention one of the few girls i'd probably be willing to have sex with :p ) however, when you say 'omg jennifer aniston is super hot' (or whoever) it's a lie. bs it isn't. it's a lie. you're putting on a facade, and while she is super pretty, and most guys that are straight would describe her as hot, you're playing the role you think you're supposed to.

what if you're at a friends house and you guys are looking for something to watch. let's say brokeback mountain is on, are you willing to say 'let's watch that?' what if a friend makes a comment about the movie and laughs, do you laugh with him? what if a history of violence is on tv at a buddies' place and the kids are bullying the son for being a "faggot." does it make u uncomfortable? what if you are wearing something that actually looks good, and a friend jokingly calls you a fag for dressing, well, like a fag?

do u brush these off? obviously they're just random examples, maybe u think brokeback's genuinely boring (it is a little :p ) and maybe u dress in oversized wannabe gangsta clothes that look downright terrible :p, and maybe u dont hang out with a lot of straight guys so u aren't around that atmosphere where everyone's a 'fag' and everything negative is 'gay' and hot girls are discussed. i can't say, only you and those who know you can.

your example: someone asks you if you have a gf. if someone asked me that, my response would be, 'no, but i don't want a gf.' if they inquire further, my answer is 'well, im gay.'

is that an issue for you to say? because if i can make just one more assumption (lol :p ) i bet it would be an issue for you to say, certainly to be able to say it casually. the fact is that you can rationalize away staying in the closet, and you can make the argument that you aren't lying, and *maybe* that's true, technically speaking, but it isn't really... when someone asks you if u have a gf, and your answer is no, and if someone asks you 'who the hottest actresses are' and you give a list of girls, sure, strictly speaking, you might be being honest, but you're misleading the people you're talking to. they're making assumptions about who you are based on your answers, and you know that. you're playing a role that isn't you, and whether you're ready to accept that that is the case, doesn't change that it is.


i noticed you've said a couple times that it's nobody's business, and i actually agree with you. it isn't anyone's business. you dont have to tell anyone anything that you don't want to. but you also don't have to answer the question 'who's the hottest actress,' and yet, you do. ask yourself, why is that? why do you voluntarily let people know that you don't have a gf? afterall, it is nobody's business. why not just say 'it's none of your business' ? i can only assume (there's that word again lol) that the answer to those questions will help you understand the answer to the question in the thread topic.

anyways, i've rambled mostly, and haven't really had much of a clear point lol, maybe some of the examples apply to you, or maybe all of them do, or maybe none of them do, they're just random examples, everyone who isn't out of the closet and who has consistent interaction with other people on a personal level (friends, family, etc) has their own examples. tx-beau has pretty much already said everything, and im just rambling for my own sake at this point lol.

i will say, that i did have to push myself to come out, when i wasn't fully comfortable with it, and *for me,* it was a great decision.
 
Thanks for that. i agree with you. The bottom part of your quote is what I was asking in the thread. As of right now, i dont plan on having a bf because im not at a place where i want one, so i dont see a need to let everyone know.



You don't need a coming out parade or a billboard. You need to know who you are first. Once you know who you are, then you can decide what's comfortable to you to tell other people in your life.

It's a lot easier to date and have sex with other guys if other people know you are out. If you don't plan to date and have sex with other guys, then you don't have to come out.
 
As of right now, i dont plan on having a bf because im not at a place where i want one, so i dont see a need to let everyone know.

Hi Ladude2011,

I have tried to figure out some clues about your age and background (e.g. if you are still schooling, just have started a job, etc), but I was unable to find it. You don't need to give this information to us, but it might help in giving you a proper advise.

I fully agree with TX-Beau that straight guys have >100 very easy options to clarify that they are straight.

Currently, you have a status of 'a guy without a girlfriend/wife', and you think that all people around you assume you are straight. I assume you also had no girlfriend/wife in the past. I would not be too suprized that some females / female friends around you will suspect / will know for quite sure that you are a gay. Why? Just because quite a few females have a rather well developed 'gaydar', and because quite alot of females are used to classify the sexual identity of guys around them. Maybe some of these females have noticed that you 'check guys', similar like many staight guys like to 'check the girls' (ie looking at nice girls walking along the street etc).

I was wondering about your age, as there are also many straight guys of 20 or so (and / or still schooling) who only want to have a girlfriend when they have finished their education.

I think you might consider that you should separate these 2 items.

(1): staying single for the time being, because 'too busy with my study', 'i first want to finish my study', 'i first want to have a job' etc.

(2): coming out of the closet, in fact not much more than just letting know people around you that you are not into girls, but into guys.

To sum up, your decision that you don't need a partner right now can be a valid argument. However, your decision to stay in the closet because you don't want a bf right now is not a valid argument to stay in the closet.

Finally, I tend to agree with points raised by eg KaraBulut and TX-Beau, that you don't need to 'ly' anymore to other people. What about the girls who fall in love with you, because they like you and they love you and they assume you are straight? Why not just tell such girls that you cannot become their bf because you have no feelings for girls? Somehow / more or less, one might say that you 'ly' to such girls by keeping to pretend that you are straight. Besides that, these girls will tell the news to other friends, so you don't need to tell them anymore.

Anyway, good luck, take your time, and please keep posting over here.
 
Coming out is a choice that you and you alone can make.

Unless you're in the public eye then the papparazzi may do it for you.

You do it in your own time for your own personal reasons, but it has to feel right for you.
It doesn't have to be when you're dating, or if you want to be a bit more outwardly flamboyant.

You do have to be strong when you decide to do it and you have to live with the consequences of doing so.
You could lose or alienate people close to you because of it, and once you've done it there's no jumping back in.

You don't have to change, you are you regardless, you don't have to wear pink and listen to Judy Garland if you don't want to. You do have the option though.
 
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