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may someone explain Muslims and European countries

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im just a 19 year old from south florida so this is 'foreign' to me(get it?)...

i see a lot of posts concerning muslims anti-gay messages and actions and many of the replies to the threads are talking about how european countries are protecting Muslim immigrants legally more than gay individuals(somehow).... i think i understand that right...

someone want to please fill me in(or even correct me)
 
while most dont care that they do in fact commit many missiclanious crimes both trivial and serious and are there both legally and illegally there are groups that are passionate about their removal?
 
USA should conquer all that muslim countries and Europe too so they'll all become christian, happy and free :roll:
 
I guess the only choice you have with being gay is whether or not you accept the degree that you are gay.

I guess the only choice you have with being str8 is whether or not you accept the degree that you are str8.
 
USA should conquer all that muslim countries and Europe too so they'll all become christian, happy and free :roll:

This statement insults me, i am an agnostic born Muslim, and though I'm not a practicing Muslim, the teachings is more about peace and love, what you see on TV is actually a cultural and not a religious issue.

The Arabic community is revolved around family values with a strong traditional sense of what symbolizes manhood and the role of a man in a family and in society in general. They use Religion for political agenda just like any other denomination, like the Romans did with Catholicism.

The word Islam itself means peace, and everything it teaches in its books is symbolic rather then literal, with a high percentage of it is about loving all creatures made by god be it friend or foe.

And for your info, Christianity harbors more hatred towards homosexual than Islam does, while Christianity condemn same sex sinners to hell, Islam preaches that it is in gods will that one is created the way they are and it is in the hand of god that they shall be judge, and not in the eye of men.

So before you make any assumption of what is good for the rest of the world and that your great America should conquer everything that moves, please do your research prior, or prove to the world what big bullies Americans are and cry terrorist when retaliation comes along with it.

P.S
I do not condone or support any acts of terrorism, such actions are cowardly imho, but i do not condone small mindedness coming from someone who should understand what it feels like to feel belittled based on their differences
 
Many Muslim countries do implement Shariah law, or have other laws on the books, which often condemns homosexuals to execution or severe imprisonment.

In Europe, we have a strict sense of acceptance, and same sex marriage is legalized in many countries.

I'm originally from Spain. I view Islam with great suspicion, as I do with Christianity. Europe is highly secular (maybe with exception of Poland, Italy [to a degree] and a few other countries). We generally view all religion with great speculation and suspicion.

Shariah is not law but a code of conduct as instructed by god like the ten commandments of Moses. It is a guideline for recognizing the terms of a crime and not what makes a crime, there is no statement in the Qur'an that man should lay out punishments based on this law, government bodies use it to their own agenda based on cultural beliefs rather than what it preaches.

As i said, I'm an agnostic now, but i was Muslim for a long period of my childhood, and by experience, even in the Muslim community there is many misconception of what is Religion and it's ties to Politics.

That said, intolerance in any form is misguided and a careless comment directed to a group of individual irregardless of the issue matters can lead to many misconception that eventually leads to discrimination without knowledge of the actual truth.

For example, in the 80's, the aids Pandemic became synonymous towards the gay population based on a misguided assumption that it is a disease caused by homosexual encounters.

All I'm saying is that the world has become a smaller place now then it was 10, 20 years ago, and with that, comes the misguided views of what a certain group is, being human it is inevitable that we want to categorize what we see so to recognize what equals to a social acceptance of what is normal.

But we have or more of we "should" know better now, books are written in ink, and words may change but the basics is still there if we bother to look for it. The ORIGINAL teachings of Islam is that of SOCIAL TOLERANCE, and the BASIC UNDERSTANDING IN THE COMPLEXITY OF LIFE and that all is fair in the judgement of a creator and NOT the created.

Power corrupts any teachings to its own propaganda and they turn to the faith of its nation to justify their laws. Their laws are man made and not the laws of a God.

But to each its own, I believe that religion is more a way of life and how you choose to live it. Extremists use it to justify their actions, Politician uses to put people in check, but ultimately, the basic of it will always remain the same. Like i said, We all "SHOULD" know better
 
Glad to see you managed to snap out of it , ADAMJUMAIN , .
Religion is a tool used by the coniviving to manipulate the masses.
It only takes one man to incite a mob with a few well chosen words.
Imagine no religion ....
 
if it were for me i would have dumped this plague long long long time ago.we gotta thank france for this and england too.
 
Glad to see you managed to snap out of it , ADAMJUMAIN , .
Religion is a tool used by the coniviving to manipulate the masses.
It only takes one man to incite a mob with a few well chosen words.
Imagine no religion ....

Religion CAN BE a tool for manipulation - so can Science (stands on nuclear energy), Atheism (the stand for anti-religion), Economics (capitalism vs communism) and many many more.

And it's ironic that so many advocate for acceptance and tolerance while exclusively discriminating agianst those who choose to be religious. I guess it's okay to discriminate as long as it's against something that you don't like or don't believe is right?
 
This statement insults me, i am an agnostic born Muslim, and though I'm not a practicing Muslim, the teachings is more about peace and love, what you see on TV is actually a cultural and not a religious issue.

he was being sarcastic and did not mean what you thought he means. note the rolling eyes smiley ;)
 
This statement insults me, i am an agnostic born Muslim, and though I'm not a practicing Muslim, the teachings is more about peace and love, what you see on TV is actually a cultural and not a religious issue.

The Arabic community is revolved around family values with a strong traditional sense of what symbolizes manhood and the role of a man in a family and in society in general. They use Religion for political agenda just like any other denomination, like the Romans did with Catholicism.

The word Islam itself means peace, and everything it teaches in its books is symbolic rather then literal, with a high percentage of it is about loving all creatures made by god be it friend or foe.

And for your info, Christianity harbors more hatred towards homosexual than Islam does, while Christianity condemn same sex sinners to hell, Islam preaches that it is in gods will that one is created the way they are and it is in the hand of god that they shall be judge, and not in the eye of men.

So before you make any assumption of what is good for the rest of the world and that your great America should conquer everything that moves, please do your research prior, or prove to the world what big bullies Americans are and cry terrorist when retaliation comes along with it.

P.S
I do not condone or support any acts of terrorism, such actions are cowardly imho, but i do not condone small mindedness coming from someone who should understand what it feels like to feel belittled based on their differences

I'm sorry if I offended you, as said above I was being sarcastic.

First, notice I'm not from USA, and second I'm atheist.

My apologies to the OP because maybe I've been too hard, he's just misinformed.

I'm from Spain and if we can blame someone for homophobia it's not muslim community but the conservatives sectors in the country (not just religious) Believes don't justify any kind of violence against a human group. Immigrants (independently of their believes) don't have more rights than gays in Europe if they commit a crime they'll be prosecuted like any one else.

And I don't consider USA the tolerance and freedom paradise that some people pretend them to be.
 
im just a 19 year old from south florida so this is 'foreign' to me(get it?)...

i see a lot of posts concerning muslims anti-gay messages and actions and many of the replies to the threads are talking about how european countries are protecting Muslim immigrants legally more than gay individuals(somehow).... i think i understand that right...

someone want to please fill me in(or even correct me)

You must first understand that every single European country is different from each other European country.
 
I openly detest all monotheistic religions. They have kept us in 1000 years of darkness, due to thier strangle-hold on the interprtation of life and the world, calling anything outside it, heresy. Still exists, only on a slightly smaller scale.

When Scotland, or hopefully the whole of britain, is socialist, all children will be taken away by social services, to prevent the notions of hell an satan, as it is flat out child abuse. We will wipe out abrahamic religion in this country.
 
I openly detest all monotheistic religions. They have kept us in 1000 years of darkness, due to thier strangle-hold on the interprtation of life and the world, calling anything outside it, heresy. Still exists, only on a slightly smaller scale.

When Scotland, or hopefully the whole of britain, is socialist, all children will be taken away by social services, to prevent the notions of hell an satan, as it is flat out child abuse. We will wipe out abrahamic religion in this country.

Wipe out is the wrong word.
Reduce them to fairy tales stories is a better word.
 
Thank you, but I preffer it my way. The USSR had good go at wiping orthdox christianity. We will learn from thier mistakes.
 
Thank you, but I preffer it my way. The USSR had good go at wiping orthdox christianity. We will learn from thier mistakes.

Stalinsim was a religion. It was worst than any religion.
 
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