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Mitch McConnell finally confirms he wants to repeal health insurance for 500,000 Kentuckians

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(See story #3.)

For the past several months, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has tried to have it both ways on Kynect, Kentucky's popular implementation of Obamacare that has delivered health insurance to more than 500,000 Kentuckians. On the one hand, McConnell has said he wants to repeal Obamacare, but on the other hand, he also says Kynect should remain in place if Kentucky wants to keep it.



He wants to have his cake and eat it too: he just eats it.

OP comment: how many of these insured individuals are going to vote for McConnell anyway? :##:
 
Just saw interview with Kentucky governor on The Ed Show he hit the nail right on the head Mitch will not talk about his record. He only attacks with no plan for the future.
 
Mitch McConnell is toxic and dangerous to all current and future human (and other) life on this planet, and he deserves and needs a complete POLITICAL death.

He wants half a million Kentuckians to DIE QUICKLY, if they get sick.
 
ANd yet, he is likely to win reelection because the voters there hate Obama.
Those that vote for him deserve what they get.
 
It is not possible to know what Mitch McConnell thinks about health care in Kentucky.

By all accounts (including McConnell's own) he seems to want to repeal the ACA, and then immediately pass the same legislation under another name.

The problem for Republicans is not the ACA (it is, after all, their own plan). The problem is that it was passed by the efforts of a black man. It needs to be repealed and then passed again by some white guy, so that they can say it's okay.
 
It is not possible to know what Mitch McConnell thinks about health care in Kentucky.

By all accounts (including McConnell's own) he seems to want to repeal the ACA, and then immediately pass the same legislation under another name.

The problem for Republicans is not the ACA (it is, after all, their own plan). The problem is that it was passed by the efforts of a black man. It needs to be repealed and then passed again by some white guy, so that they can say it's okay.

Pretty much, if Obama was for it, they are against it even if they really are for it.
 
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It is not possible to know what Mitch McConnell thinks about health care in Kentucky.

By all accounts (including McConnell's own) he seems to want to repeal the ACA, and then immediately pass the same legislation under another name.

The problem for Republicans is not the ACA (it is, after all, their own plan). The problem is that it was passed by the efforts of a black man. It needs to be repealed and then passed again by some white guy, so that they can say it's okay.
Nonsense. If a few conservatives once suggested a plan with some resemblance to some parts of Obamacare, that does not make Obamacare their plan. Obamacare act was 1900 pages long, and the regulations are said to be 20,000 pages. It is a lie to say that is a Republican law, but of course living is what democrats do best.
Republicans oppose the government take over of health care and Obama had little to do with it. The plan was concocted in Congress and Obama did little but sign it. Republicans opposed Hillary's health care take over as vigorously and she was not black. We don't want your socialism.
 
We will see if the people want Obama care. Of course the welfare class wants free healthcare, but what about the people who have to buy it for them?
 
You know what else many people don't want Benvolio?
A health care system where you get care based on whether you have money or not and if not, then you are SOL.
 
You know what else many people don't want Benvolio?
A health care system where you get care based on whether you have money or not and if not, then you are SOL.

People also don't want a dishonest system where those with money pay unknown amounts to care for those with none. The good aspect of the ACA there is that the shadow payment system is brought into the light where it can be examined. The bad aspect is that it doesn't bring all of the shadow system into the light.

People also don't want a system where the cost of paperwork runs up the cost of medical care by twenty percent or more, which the care-for-profit system does. A single-payer system would slash those costs; unfortunately, advocates of a single-payer system almost universally want the government to run it -- better to hand it to the Red Cross or someone similar.
 
I don't like the idea of the government chartering a corporation to do it. Sure, the Red Cross can handle disaster relief and humanitarian aid, but let's look at the other end of things: Amtrak. The most poorly-run, underfunded, underperforming passenger service of all time. It's not popular, it's not funded (well), and it doesn't make money (both in spite of and because of its miserliness). All problems of a private-public entity (though the first point has multiple reasons). Giving something that operates on a day-to-day basis as a service to a publicly-funded corporate entity is a bad idea.

Either make it one or the other. I vote to make it fully public and operate it similarly to the Reserve.
 
I don't like the idea of the government chartering a corporation to do it. Sure, the Red Cross can handle disaster relief and humanitarian aid, but let's look at the other end of things: Amtrak. The most poorly-run, underfunded, underperforming passenger service of all time. It's not popular, it's not funded (well), and it doesn't make money (both in spite of and because of its miserliness). All problems of a private-public entity (though the first point has multiple reasons). Giving something that operates on a day-to-day basis as a service to a publicly-funded corporate entity is a bad idea.

Either make it one or the other. I vote to make it fully public and operate it similarly to the Reserve.

Amtrak was a mess with no tradition of serving the public -- the Red Cross is a different animal altogether.

I certainly wouldn't make it like the Federal Reserve, which is run by private bankers with no accountability to anyone!
 
I was referring to the fact that the reserve is split, not who runs it. My mistake.
 
I don't like the idea of the government chartering a corporation to do it. Sure, the Red Cross can handle disaster relief and humanitarian aid, but let's look at the other end of things: Amtrak. The most poorly-run, underfunded, underperforming passenger service of all time. It's not popular, it's not funded (well), and it doesn't make money (both in spite of and because of its miserliness). All problems of a private-public entity (though the first point has multiple reasons). Giving something that operates on a day-to-day basis as a service to a publicly-funded corporate entity is a bad idea.

Either make it one or the other. I vote to make it fully public and operate it similarly to the Reserve.

While off topic I will say that you are not well educated as to the problems with Amtrak, and some of your opinions are far from accurate. The funding part is right on though.
Where Amtrak owns the rail, which is only the NE corridor it's very popular and profitable. Another extremely popular and profitable train AMTRAK runs is the Auto train from DC to Florida. Amtrak took control of Auto Train when a private business failed miserably.

You have to understand the rails in the USA are owned by private companies to haul their freight, which is highly profitable compared to any passenger service. So AMTRAK is 2nd player on those rails behind slow huge trains pulling freight for the owners. There are the usual problems with transport such as breakdown, maintenance problems, weather and load scheduling and AMTRAK is stuck on the rails with all these freight trains

Amtrak is not high speed rail, it can't be without its own lines. There lies the confusion for many. HIgh speed rail, like in the NE corridor requires better quality infrastructure for safety first, one not shared by the tonnage of moving freight which breaks down rail infrastructure not allowing such high speed.
Poorly funded and regarded by the usual suspects in politics as ill operated when in hopes of ditching it entirely.

Also don't disregard the fact that the Federal Government took control of the bankrupt NE/midwest Penn Central railroads and formed Con-rail. Whipped it up into shape, made it profitable and had a bidding war when auctioned off to the private sector. A profit was returned with the sale of the struggling bankrupt railroads you see on the Monopoly board
Consolidated Rail (conrail) was a major success for the Feds and never hardly talked about. The stewardship shown in management and operations kept freight railroads alive in a large section of the USA. Now all but a tiny bit in NJ is owned by CSX and Norfolk Southern. 2 power house class one extremely profitable freight lines.
 
People want the free market to decide who gets a fancier car, or who gets to have a designer do up their house, or who gets to spend two weeks every year in the tropics, scuba-diving off the side of a boat, or who gets to have a cottage by the lake...

People don't want the free market to decide who lives or dies because they're ill.

This isn't difficult. It isn't communism. It's just recognition that health is different.
 
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I don't see what of your post addresses the fact that Amtrak, as a whole, loses money every single year. Or the fact that it's widely unpopular. Or that it's been hopelessly mismanaged.

And don't patronize. I am FULLY aware of every point you brought up.

Again, it had naught to do with what I said, but still. Only a handful of services make money, and even fewer routes break even. Outside of the NE Corridor, Amtrak is a shadow of a rail operator (and let us not forget that Amtrak owns no part of the NEC in MA and nothing from New Rochelle to New Haven). And there's a very good reason why Amtrak loses money: the only things it really cares about is the NEC. And hey-presto, it's a profitable and popular enterprise. But only on the NEC. The rest of the country sees an entirely different Amtrak.

I didn't even mention the travesty that high speed rail is practically nonexistent in the US (with only Acela, again, only on the NEC). There are no dedicated high speed rail lines in the US (again, it's a farce to call the NEC a high-speed line; NS and CSX, among others, have trackage rights, which completes defeats the purpose of a dedicated high speed line).

Not that Amtrak can really aspire to offer high speed services elsewhere. It doesn't have the money, and will never get it.

What the US needs is something akin to BR and the British Railways Board (1965-1994). Amtrak has proven itself inept at providing passenger services to the vast majority of the country. Why? Because it's only really interested in the NE Corridor and its auxiliaries. It's doing this because it seeks to maximize profit, as a corporation should. As a government funded entity, this is not acceptable (which of course runs into the area of requiring more funding). Rather than provide services to as many people as possible, it's concentrated all its efforts on a single 500 mile stretch. But even then, it's not being aggressive. Their proposal for 220mph travel on the NEC is moving at a glacial pace, 30 years behind other projects with similar aims (barring China's exceptional 5000 miles of dedicated lines in only 6 years). Aside from the belated entry, it's taking the least aggressive path to achieve this.

Amtrak mirrors the productivity of Congress. What's amazing is that people are interested enough in rail travel to make the NEC and a few other routes profitable. Clearly it's something that Americans want (and definitely need).

The only kind of rail service that actually provides quality services at fair prices to as many as possible is a nationalized system. High speed rail is a further necessity (one that basically has to be built on the former, if any progress is expected). How can we expect high speed rail if even basic services are out of reach for Amtrak?

Amtrak has proven that a government cannot simply hand off a basic service to a profit-seeking corporation. Conrail was somewhat different; freight services have never been as threatened as passenger. All Conrail needed was basic reorganization and with minimal government intervention, because it's far easier to turn a profit on freight in the US. Amtrak has basically failed in its once-chartered duty to provide national rail services. Clearly it failed. I posit that it failed because it has no money, little public support, and no interest in providing services outside its profit-making regions.

The only way to remedy these problems is nationalize passenger services in the US, invest a shit ton of money on dedicated lines (people don't support things in anticipation of better services, they support existing services), and aggressively pursue what we've lacked for so long. The only viable alternative is to make Amtrak a statutory corporation and allow the government direct control without being the owner.
 
People want the free market to decide who gets a fancier car, or who gets to have a designer do up their house, or who gets to spend two weeks every year in the tropics, scuba-diving off the side of a boat, or who gets to have a cottage by the lake...

People don't want the free market to decide who lives or dies because they're ill.

This isn't difficult. It isn't communism. It's just recognition that health is different.

People die sooner of starvation, so why isn't food free? Shelter? Clothing? People die in the north without them. Yes it is slippery slope, but dems have proven they cannot be trusted with slippery slopes. The Constitution does not authorize Congress to provide free health care. But the authorization to "regulate commerce among the states" has become, for democrats, a grant of totalitarian power.
 
Nonsense. If a few conservatives once suggested a plan with some resemblance to some parts of Obamacare, that does not make Obamacare their plan.

That Obamacare is a "conservative"/Republican plan is a matter of historical fact. It was designed by the Heritage Foundation as a private alternative to universal health care. It was first implemented by Mitt Romney in Massachusetts. Obamacare is a carbon copy of what Republicans did in Massachusetts.


Republicans oppose the government take over of health care

What "government take over of health care" are you referring to?

If you mean Obamacare, that is private health insurance, not government.


Republicans opposed Hillary's health care take over as vigorously and she was not black. We don't want your socialism.

So, you opposed "Hillary's" plan because it was private medical insurance and you oppose Obamacare because it is private medical insurance. Are you advocating Reagan socialism (he required hospitals to pay for the care of the poor) or do you think poor people should just die?
 
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