Montreal Killer Obsessed With Guns and Death - What Does One Do or Say?

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Montreal killer obsessed with guns, death

By Robert Melnbardis

2 hours, 40 minutes ago, 14 Sept. 2006

The gunman who went on a shooting spree at a Montreal college, killing one woman and wounding 19 other people, had an obsession with guns and death, according to his online journal.

Montreal's police chief, Yvan Delorme, confirmed on Thursday that the gunman, who died at the scene after a shootout with police on Wednesday afternoon, was Kimveer Gill, a 25-year-old man from a Montreal suburb.

On a Web site devoted to Goth culture, Gill said his credo was: "Live fast, die young and leave a mutilated corpse."

Calling himself "Trench," he wrote on the site, www.vampirefreaks.com, that he loved guns and hated people.

Eyewitnesses at the shooting scene in downtown Montreal said the gunman wore a black trenchcoat and boots and his hair was cut in a punk Mohawk style -- close-cropped on the sides.

Montreal health officials said that among the 19 people wounded, six were in critical condition from gunshot wounds including two who were in danger for their lives. The victims' ages ranged from 17 to 48.

The shooting took place in and around Dawson College, an English-language school with about 10,000 students aged between 16 and 19, in the center of Canada's second biggest city.

Eyewitnesses said Gill began shooting outside the college at 12.41 p.m. on Wednesday, before going though its main doors to continue firing in all directions inside.

Police, who arrived at the scene almost immediately because they had been in the area on another call, followed him inside. Gill died after exchanging gunfire with police.

On his English blog, under the "Fatality666" name he used on the Web site, Gill posted several photographs showing him brandishing guns and a hunting knife.

One photo shows the tall, thin man dressed in a black trenchcoat and holding an automatic weapon. It carries the caption: "Ready for Action."

"Anger and hatred simmers within me," reads another photo caption.

OBSESSION WITH GUNS

In another photo, Gill holds a black weapon he describes as a CX4 Storm semi-automatic carbine, which is made by Beretta. In another, he brandishes an automatic weapon, admitting: "I think I have an obsession with guns."

Gill's online journal entries, which contain mundane accounts of daily life such as waiting for his contact lens cases to dry, are peppered with references to grim metal rock lyrics and violent computer games.

The entries also boast of his love of guns, including his favorite: "Tech 9 (too bad they're illegal in Canada)."

Flags flew at half-mast at public buildings across Quebec on Thursday. The shooting sent shock waves through the mainly French-speaking province of 7.4 million, which well remembers the 1989 massacre at Montreal's Ecole Polytechnique, where a gunman killed 14 women before ending his own life.

The Ecole Polytechnique gunman, Marc Lepine, 25, left behind a three-page letter that said feminists had ruined his life and named 19 high-profile Quebec women he wanted to kill.

 

[irish1]

^^^ It was so difficult to read those words.

How can such a young man hate humanity so much?

I find it terribly strange that people can write annonymously on the web of their desires, and deepest thoughts, and yet have no connection with people who love them.

I wonder what his young life was like, and if anyone ever encouraged him.

 

[jackoroe]

It's always a shame when this kind of tragedy happens. What could be so bad at 25 years old that you are so full of hate? How did he become so maladjusted, so twisted to devalue human life the way he did?

 

[CaptainJohn]

At least he can't hurt anyone else.

 

[Oden_grey]

Well, I think society tends to be shocked by these things, but such events come with no surprise, especially in an urban environment. In the urban environment neglect, rudeness, and apathy dominate. I can't tell you the number of times I've read in the newspaper in NYC to find that an elderly person is not checked up on until the putrid stench of death lofts over a neighborhood or apartment complex.

We breed people like Gill because of our callous natures. The poor kid didn't have a chance when the hatred the world had for him consumed him and turned him into a conduit for brutality. There are many in the world who own guns and love violence... but fail to act in a destructive manner... this kid wanted to die, and if he had any sense about him knew he was going to die himself.

Our responsibility as a society is to prevent any more Kimveer Gills from being produced... not by tightening the hangman's noose or dispatching this tragedy as a random hiccup, but to show some pity from time to time so that troubled people like Gills don't see violence as their final outlet.

 

[MadeUpName27]

This tragedy SHOULD have been prevented.

Didn't he have a family?

Didn't he have any friends?

Didn't ANYBODY notice that he had problems?

Didn't ANYBODY think to say "He's a bit strange and heavily armed, officer" BEFORE he started shooting?

 

[RationalLunacy]

They need to track down the creator of the Columbine-style video game that inspired him and charge them with first degree murder. This video game shit has gone too far.

 

[CaptainJohn]

^^ Completely.

 

[glo-unit]

I agree with you RL. Too many kids are becoming a video game personality.... These games need to have a age rating...to control the distribution of these horrific games.

Video games do but many stores don't follow the sale guidelines. Also I don't see how people can blame video games as a whole unless it's an extreme case such as the columbine one.

 

[NedNickerson]

This happened in Green Bay, Wisconsin Thursday morning:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060915/ap_on_re_us/school_bombs

Police say boys planned school attack

Two teenage boys amassed a cache of guns, ammunition, bombs and other weapons at their homes and apparently planned to use them to attack their high school, authorities said Thursday.

The boys, both 17, were arrested Thursday morning at East High School, but their identities were not released pending possible charges, authorities said.

Police Chief Craig Van Schyndle said officers who found the materials also found suicide notes.

"From statements that we heard it gave us great concern that, yes, it was in the very near future something was going to take place," he said.

The school resource officer also "learned these two students were obsessed with pain, death, and had suicidal thoughts," Van Schyndle said.

Police raided their homes and found the guns, ammunition, several bombs, bomb-making material, camouflage clothing, helmets and gas masks. No weapons were found at the school. The chief said the students had learned bomb-making on the Internet.

"This was a Columbine waiting to happen, from the briefing that I've had" said prosecutor John Zakowski. "Only they know how close it was to being reality."

Zakowski said he can't say what charges might be filed until interviews are finished, but any charges will be handled in adult court. The police chief said authorities were considering charges of conspiracy to commit murder and conspiracy to commit arson.

School Superintendent Dan Nerad credited school staff and their relationships with students for allowing them to learn of the situation and immediately get the school resource officer involved.

"I think the important thing is that nothing did happen, and that this was indeed averted today," Mayor Jim Schmitt said.

 

[cocktales]

WOW!

I think the picture at Dawson College in Montreal tells it all!

I guess the covered body is the one dead person on the scene??

How do you go about IDing ALL the wierdo's in the world out there?

I mean, NOT all people who are goths, who wear dark clothing, who wear trench coats, etc, etc, etc..........are bad people!

Then, how do you go about singleing out the one's who have gone off the deep end and require help??

There's NO practical way to pin-point the un-desirables is there?

Sure, "IF" people see a trend when reading blogs, or other forms of communication where a person is showing signs of a hate-crime, then I guess we could turn him/them in??

What a horrible, horrible scene in the newspaper!!!

I think ALL the Montrealians need a and a !!!

 

[NedNickerson]

If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I woudn't have believed it...

http://www.columbinegame.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Columbine_Masacre_RPG

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/gaming/2006-05-17-columbine-game_x.htm

Columbine video game draws relatives' ire
Posted 5/17/2006

DENVER (AP) — An online game based on the Columbine High School massacre is drawing criticism from relatives of those who died in the 1999 attack, including a father who says it trivializes the actions of the two teen killers.

The game, Super Columbine Massacre RPG, was posted on a website last year, but is becoming more popular now. It draws on investigative material, including images of Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, who killed 12 classmates and a teacher before committing suicide.

Players are told it is "ultimately up to you" how many people Harris and Klebold kill that day. Each time Harris and Klebold kill someone in the game, a dialogue box pops up that says: "Another victory for the Trench Coat Mafia."

The game also includes crime scene photos of the killers and images of students running and crying, though it does not have photos of any victims.

"We live in a culture of death, so it doesn't surprise me that this stuff has become so commonplace," said Brian Rohrbough, whose son, Daniel, was among those slain that day. "It disgusts me. You trivialize the actions of two murderers and the lives of the innocent."

The site's creator, who identified himself in an e-mail interview only by the name "Columbin," told the Rocky Mountain News he wanted to make something that would "promote a real dialogue on the subject of school shootings." He said he was inspired to make the game because he was in Colorado at the time of the attack.

"I was a bullied kid. I didn't fit in, and I was surrounded by a culture of elitism as espoused by our school's athletes." He added that he considered the killers, at times, "very thoughtful, sensitive and intelligent young men."

Richard Castaldo, who was paralyzed from the chest down in the attack, played the game after reading about it on a gaming website. He said it reminded him of the 2003 film Elephant, which follows students and others on the day of a school massacre without assigning reasons or blame for the bloodshed.

"It didn't make me mad, just kind of confused me," he said. "Parts of it were difficult to play through, but overall, I get the feeling it might even be helpful in some ways. I don't think it's bad to discuss."

 

[NedNickerson]

His gallery on vampirefreaks.com

http://vampirefreaks.com/gallery.php?u=fatality666

More information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimveer_Gill

 

[glo-unit]

Blaming video games is such a cop out, it's like people need to search for something to blame outside of the kid. Tell me, before video games, what was some ones excuse for murdering? What was some younger guys excuse for murdering.

I, myself, play video games, some happen to be violent. I also listen to metal music, some rock music that would be aimed at as targets as something to blame for these atrocities. It's completely ridiculous, because there are plenty of other young people in my society who play and listen to this type as music like me, but you don't see them snapping out.

The problem is in the person, not the video game. A video game doesn't make you pull the trigger of a gun, and if you really say that a video game made you do it, or rock lyrics influenced you. Then it's that persons problem that they couldn't separate fantasy from reality, and neither has control over it.

I find it funny that people make video games and strictly rock, or sometimes rap music, like a mind altering drug. It's only a excuse, I really don't care what any one says, because all it is, is blame. No one is willing to take responsibilities into their own hand so they look for excuses, and the people who need answers, will eat up whatever this joke for a media will tell you, as seen in this article.

You can thank them by putting out the image of the type of kids who do this, make them feel more of an outcast, because most likely these kids that do it are looking for attention, as we all did at a certain age. It's nothing new, and these types of kids are not threatening, this kid would've did the same thing if he looked any way else, it's completely useless to point out what he was wearing.

Who knows, maybe the 'GUY' was actually the one that wanted to shoot these people, not his video games, or music, it seems so far fetched, doesn't it?

PS.
It's always funny when this subject pops up, because these exact things are always targeted.

Very well put, I'd like to hear your thought on Super Columbine Massacre RPG. Would you put it in with other violent video games or is something like this a special case. I agree with you mostly however the Columbine game seems to be in a different realm entirely for me.