need every help i can get

[christoforomarz]

hi guys i'm new here "just regestrated"
my name is chris i'm form jordan my father is jordanian "a muslim as a mtter of fact" and my mum is italian
my problem here is that i'm still in the closet i can never tell i'm gay it's an arabic muslim country here u know!!!
now i have this extremely hot friend that i know for sure is straight i hang out alot with him and i just wana see him naked we hand out at his place but in a living room or balcony never in his room and we attend dancing classes together "traditional dancing so that u dnt think he's gay"!! any help any ideas ?
u might think i'm sick or sth but whenu see this guy you will drooooool
plz guys i neeeeeeed it really baaaaaad heeeeeeeeeeeeelp

 

[peerless]

Cultural difference perhaps render your plea inaudible. That being said, my opinion is that if one plays peacock the reluctant friend often will follow in some capacity. In other words, take the initiative to be naked in front of him in contexts that are appropriate, then some that are gray-area, then some that aren't. Odds are he'll follow. You prob won't get a frontal view though without alcohol or your creating a sense that he is homophobic/borderline gay for not being comfortable nude around the likes of a pal that is utterly comfortable being such. But be careful, the more you see the more you will want to, then soon seeing won't be sufficient. You will be asking "how can I touch a straight friend" before long.

 

[christoforomarz]

that's kind of hard what would be my motive!!! more ideas?? plzzzzzzzzzzzzz
i'm desperate

 

[christoforomarz]

well i'm not chasing him wanting to convert him i'm convinced he's straight i'm ok with it although i hope he was gay
anyways i touch him i spank him sometimes he doesnt mind cuz he doesnt know am gay but i really want to see his stuff pleeeeeaaaaaaase help me with that pleeeeaaaase

 

[PhoenixRandall]

stop begging! You know the limits of your own culture and you know how to live / maneuver within it.

I have slept with a couple gay gays that reside in predominatley Muslim countries - gay guys do live and thrive in these countries in various ways. Chances are, you already know this and know where they congregate. Seek these scenes out and forget about looking at your straight friend...it's disrespectful to oggle him when he's straight. Also, you have the option of traveling - Italy is not too far from Jordan and you have roots there - seek these out too. Italy has a thriving gay community and is reasonably tolerant...as is other countries near you.

 

[peerless]

Also I see what you're saying Phoenix, I can understand his point. It's just that if he does eventually see "it", he will only torture himself at having to stop there. Chris you are going to have to be creative and resourceful if you wish to see it--but Im warning you that it is a means to no end. I have seen probably 10 straight friends penis' that I desperately wanted to and did--and some of them dont even know (and no it was not anything inappropriate or sexual assault). There are various mediums to accomplish this with some innovation. You are european so Im surprised nudity is so guarded. But some ways I've been able to avail myself of was, pissing at urinals with highly reflective tiles in front of them (the tile acts as a mirror--black is best color), visits to the gym, drinking alcohol and showering at the gym (my personal favorite--even shy boys let it all hang out if you take the lead), mooning/streaking and sneeking a glance during said mooning/streaking. The important thing this is creating a context in which its expected/normal and therefore benign to be naked. Anywhere in your room or his is far too intimate and any attempts will chase him away. Odds are he prob has an idea that you are lusting after his package, esp if you attempt to look up his shorts or anything like that. I wish I could be more specific but ways to see straight friends naked have always come to me as a stroke of genius and have not been to difficult to come by. Good Luck!

 

[tonyboy]

Hey Chris...

Once again Marleyisalegend as nailed it.... Read what he wrote ^ my friend. It's good adivce.
What would be the point of just seeing your hot friend naked and not being able to do anything about it?
No point at all except maybe to give you some mental images to jack to in the future.

Best to find some guys that you know are gay.... and as Marley said get to meet them through chat rooms or IM.

You've got a handsome buddy that drives you nuts... we've all been there before. But there is no point in persuing that line of thinking. He's straight as you said.
I'm pretty sure you are a handsome guy yourself. So check out some other places on line or where you live.
best to you friend.

 

[christoforomarz]

thanks guys for ur concern it meant a lot to me
i know i might sound so insane but guys i just want this thing peerless man u r so kind maybe if u have more "methods" u can pm me
to all i really get your point but i see this guy neerly every day and he only gets hotter and hotter every time i see him and i know my limmits and hopefully i wont cross them so keep ur brains thinking for me
oh and about meeting gay guysi told u i'm not out of the closet yet and i don't want to be here in jordan the news spread in a horrible way i'm just not ready yet to be in the gay community here in jordan so any new "methods"

 

[PetCuddlePuppy]

that's difficult. i am of middle eastern descent myself. i've been to egypt to visit my fam. none of them know about me. that country went completely backwards.not long ago it was ok to be gay and get married there. now it's jail time if you're gay. There are men in Egypt who will lure gay guys into admitting they're gay and then have them jailed. It's risky to be gay in middle eastern countries.

It's also ironic because the way all of the men there dance(belly dancing) would suggest that they were not straight if they danced that way in the USA.

Anyhow, my advice.. DO NOT come out of the closet there. It would be extremely dangerous! I know the muslim culture/religion is by far the strictest around. There's no leeway with the law and ruling class.

Real advice, get up and move to somewhere that's more accepting if it's tearing apart to stay there. Like, anywhere in Europe probably lol. You might even be okay in India lol.

 

[peerless]

Sorry Chris, but my ideas, they just come to me and so I don't have any fresh ones propose. Americans, at least the ones I know, are very guarded about being seen naked--I don't see what the big deal is, but whatevs. So it does make it a turn on to see a hot guy naked, that would rather die then let you see him that way normally. Im sure you are like I was, and I obsessed over the idea and therefore was ever-vigilant about seeking a good way see the glory. Keep us updated.

 

[christoforomarz]

ok here are my updates today during the practice we "the guys" were playing some sort of a game to put ur middle finger in the others' asses "u know not actually in it but while walking and ur behind the guy u just spank him or sth" and run and the fun part is to do it when there are girls so the other guy wont be able to do anth it's fun game! so anyways i got to touch his butt several times and while he was laying down after practice the end of his underwear was showing so i pulled it and let go so it slaped back "i guess it hurted!!" but i enjoyed the practice very much today
oh and seems like my friend doesn't mind to be touched at all!!!
here's my update now u hit me with ideas
oh btw how do u see throught baggy shorts is there a technique??

 

[christoforomarz]

OMG!! 5 years ago I started this thread!
If anyone is interested in the updates, my friend is happily married and I moved to a new crush, this time a younger friend whom I have known for around 8 years but now he is all grown up and buffed he is the hottest person alive. I know all his family members I am always at his house but the problem is that he is homophobic and never likes to be touched! never saw him shirtless how about naked lol.
Is this going to be the story of my life? having crushes and never be able to do anything about them?
Advise please

 

[lambdaboy]

Until and unless tou can get out of there yes. I am sorry but you have to hang in there get good education. job and work your way out. Shame you can not get Italian citizenship through your mom. You could mention to your mom and dad that if tht was possible it would make it easy to visit Europe etc. Get a good education do not do the wrong thing with someone str8 you are in a dangerous situation.

 

[christoforomarz]

Thank you lambdaboy actually I kind of got used to this life style falling in love with someone and just keep distance until I forget him I am actually mastering this but I know for sure that one day I will end up killing my self