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I have been quietly lurking in the background for some time and haven’t really felt comfortable dispensing advice and up till now didn’t have a question or a smart ass comment to post. Now, I am posting a problem as I have no place else to turn or go – that is without costing me an arm and a leg. Sorry but this post will be long – I know the length as I wrote it out first.

Background on me. I am 44, gay, not out to anyone yet I think and feel that many have a “feeling” about me. I live in a very small town in the backwoods of northern Wisconsin. There are no clubs, bars, spas, associations, gay groups, gay churches, etc near that don’t entail a minimum of a day’s drive and an overnight stay. My encounters with other guys to date have been sparse and all have been “quickies” and there haven’t ever been any feelings attached or recurrence of meetings. My gaydar is rather foggy and it usually tunes into things several years after the fact then it likes, “You should’ve had a V-8!” My first experience with another guy was my sophomore year in college.

A little more about me. I am the middle child of a family of 5, oldest of the second family as my sisters were 11 and 8 when I came along and have two brothers younger and we were all 18 months apart. My father was an alcoholic and kind of shiftless. My father was cold, uncaring, uneducated and in his alcoholic hazes was abusive as hell and damn near criminal. We kids got beat up, thrown around, hair pulled out and just plain ignored by him. My mother had a pot of chili thrown over her off the stove and a cement encased boot knocked over her head knocking her out and splitting her scalp. My sister had her head shoved through a wall and I had a ketchup bottle smashed down on my plate splattering ketchup, glass and food all over every one. Just because I was the seventh person to ask for ketchup when the meal was hot dogs and french fries. My mother is the strongest person that I have ever met and have ever known. She endured a lot. My mother finally had enough and got a divorce when I was 8. We were the first family in our community to get a divorce and the first Catholic family to do so. I don’t have a lot of memories of my father – good ones any ways – and I have a lot of my mother raising us kids and putting us through school and some of us through college. I do have a lot of memories of getting teased and beaten up by the others after the divorce. That soured me on relationships and friendships with others. I have never really wanted to get to close to anyone after getting burned by them. Years later a co-worker asked me why I had such a shell around me. Mother made sure we had access to further education if we wanted and my sister went into nursing and eventually more training to become a PA and I got a degree in education, taught, and then went into administration. I will come back to that part in a bit. My two younger brothers went into service and my other sister married and worked.

In a way I would describe my family as dysfunctional in the way we related to each other and did things. Most of us are loners and would rather be by ourselves and none of us really were too hip on the big family gatherings. That is except for my oldest sister who tries to bring everyone together. Feelings are not shared and view points on things are not discussed. All of my life I have felt so alone, so lonely, so unfulfilled. Sure I had some people to talk to, had activities to keep me busy and such but nothing that ran deep. Certainly nothing social in nature and nothing meaningful as far as my inner needs and wants. I worked every day and when not in school I was working weekends and summers for my family on the farm and during the school year was gone most nights either coaching or reffing. Keeping busy kept the mind off things I guess. Another thing is that I can look back at things and even now I notice and try to be conscious of it and that is depression. I will get into funks and just don’t want to do anything. I don’t want to be around people and don’t want to go out, don’t want to work even. Some of this is normal stuff I guess in everyone and probably to some extent more so in the gay community but the repeated times and frequency of occurrence is what I notice as not being normal. I just got over a bout of it that lasted about 2 weeks where I didn’t want to do anything and had stuff piling up around me.

Now I want to go back to the other point about my job that I left above and that is what these bouts with depression and the feeling of loneliness and being all alone in this world caused and that is that the internet became a lifeline for me in my search for happiness and that missing part of my being. The person that would make my life complete. About 10 years ago I fucked up my life, my career, my whole being using the internet at work in the evenings and the school tracked the usage and I was confronted on it. I lost my job, my dignity, my sense of being; I lost who I was and what I thought I was. I was humiliated, ashamed, and disgraced by it and I have been trying to rebuild the trust and my good name ever since.

I have since lost a sister to cancer in the spring of 2002 and a brother to suicide in 2003. Through my sisters short illness, I was the person that held the family together, took care of her, accompanied her to the doctor appointments and treatments and was the one who carried her out of her house the last time on the last trip to the hospital. It was me that she turned to when she wanted to talk and near the end when she wanted to talk about dying and what came after, it was me. Her funeral was left up to me to plan and take care of. Same is true of my brother. It was me that kept everyone going and again making all the arrangements and taking care of the legal part. Then in the winter of 2005 my father had problems, started a fire and has health issues. Who did he turn to for help? Me. After my brother died he decided that he wanted to be back in the family. So now I have responsibility over him too. In the fall of 2005 my mother got sick after a summer of running to the doctors and was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. Again, it has befallen me to be the primary caregiver to her and it has been me who has been there for every doctor test, every exam, the two surgeries, all the chemo and radiation and subsequent illness from them. I told someone a short time ago that I don’t have a life right now of my own as I am on autopilot for everyone else. I haven’t had any time away from this for three years. It is every day, every week, and every month. I wake up to it and go to sleep with it.

Sorry this is getting so long but when one is getting free counseling and the dime isn’t mine, I think you need to get a big view of things and see things in somewhat of a full perspective. Also, as you can see, I love to write. Now before I move to my question there is one final aspect of my being, of who I am and how I function that I think, I feel, I believe you need to know in order to put my problem, issue into focus. I know that some of you will discount this part, some will laugh, some will turn away, some will think I am certifiable, and a few of you will think about it. This has to do with connections with the other side, with the paranormal or just plain psychic. I am going to give you some background on it as it relates to me and then what happened which relates to my problem.

My brother was a deputy sheriff and was involved in an accident with his squad in May of 2003. I had done a ride along with him the night before. That night any way, I was tired from doing the ride along and working all day so I went to bed early, like just around 9 p.m. which is also the same time that he checked on. I had just fallen asleep when I saw two bright white lights flashing around the room and weaving. They appeared to be headlights and I got up and looked around outside as I was sure someone was in the yard or ditch. Nothing. I got back into bed and had just fallen asleep once again when I saw the flashing of red, white, and blue lights, emergency colors. Again I woke up and looked outside as I was sure there was something out there. Nothing. I went back to sleep and had a peaceful night and the next morning as I was sitting watching a little TV before church the phone rang to tell me that my brother had been in an accident with his squad when he went to swerve to miss an oncoming car in his lane on a crest of a hill and put his car through a ditch, over a culvert and up a set of guide wires. It had taken them about a half-hour to find him as his transmission was cut off and then it took them another hour or so to get him out of the car. My dream was at 9 p.m. and his accident was at 11 p.m.

That September, he came around for Labor Day and spent time at home. At the time we thought nothing of it but afterwards it all clicked. That Friday, my brother committed suicide and was found on Monday evening and we were notified by a knock on the door late that night when the Sheriff came to tell us what she found. Now, on that Friday night I had a dream that my brother was dead and that he had died of a gunshot wound. Also, in the dream, I was told what he wanted for his funeral and I used what I was told to plan his funeral with. We know about when he died from piecing things together afterwards and the phone calls he was making.

I could also talk about the angels that are around, the knock on the door at 5 a.m., the touch on my mothers shoulder at night, the radio being tuned to different stations, the microwave being unplugged and the smell of smoke inside and outside that I smell. That goes back to my fear of fires after our house burnt in 1970.

Then in 2004 or 2005, not sure of exactly when as I didn’t write the date down, but it was somewhere near the end of one or the start of the other as I was getting ready for bed, a very soft, peaceful, pleasing, soothing female voice says, “Sean, (no spelling given), 18-19 years old, from the area.” I go and write it down and wonder what it meant. I tuck the paper away for reference later.

The internet is still a big connection for me to the world outside and one night I was chatting on gay.com. I was talking with this fellow and we were talking about my interests and the fact that I was looking for a LTR and that my interests are in the younger guys. I have always felt that way and all the while I have been aging; my interests have remained with the younger guys. Every one has their flavor of tea. Any ways, he tells me about this site called Silver Daddies and after a couple weeks I go and check it out and sign up and create a profile. So I was on their in the chat room in early 2006 and I get a private chat. We start shooting the breeze and on the next session or shortly after, we move to Yahoo and we start talking and sharing about each other. Now, that very first time that we chatted, when he privated me, I had this most wonderful sensation come over me that I can only describe as being absolute peace and harmony. It felt as though the weight that had been on me had been removed. I describe it as a presence being there with me. So as we shoot the shit I find out that his name is Sean, that he is 18 and lives 2 hours south of me. I immediately look for my note on my desk and read it over to myself. As the year progresses, we chat more and talk about a lot of different stuff, we share about our families and our lives and stuff. When he privated me he told me that he was seeing, dating someone. I don’t know. We never did exchange phone information as he was uncomfortable sharing that with someone that you don’t know all that well and I fully understand that. The world can be a damn scary place and the internet is not the safest of places to be. I thought things were going well and he told me that he was looking for a LTR and wasn’t up for quickies and one nighters. I agreed with him. Then in August I got sick with the worse kidney stone attack and ended up in the hospital and had two surgeries to get rotor rooted out. I was just getting back on my feet after Labor Day when a friend had a stroke and I had to go into farming full time for him. Through this all the computer and the internet were the last thing I had time for. I farmed then until mid October when my mom got sick again and went in for surgery. Got back in November and we I got back online and we chatted again. In early December we actually exchanged phone numbers and called and talked for almost three hours that first night. Later that month I was going to be in his town to be with my niece for the day and that if he was free we could do lunch. It turns out he was in St. Louis with a family thing that weekend. I then got an email message from him telling me about his trip and then he says he isn’t sure about things and doesn’t think we will be anything more than friends. I was fine with that and ok with it, not exactly what I wanted to hear but we can’t dictate to others. I said I would do that and work with him on that. Conversations got shorter and longer apart. He wasn’t seeing anyone at the time nor was he in discussion with anyone, at least from what he told me.

So along about February I write him a letter after not hearing from him for over a month. It was a long one, like this one!! In it I told him how I felt about him, how I felt in my heart, how I cared about him, and wanted only for him to be happy. And that if he decided that we shouldn’t be friends any more then that is fine and that I would just move on and work on getting him out of my heart. He was a big part in my heart and I cared about him and thought about all the time and prayed for his well being and for guidance to come to him. I tried to be as straight forward as I could yet also to be kind and gentle and I thought I was being honest and that I was expressing love and care and not being spiteful or hurtful. I get a response back from him stating that he was hurt and didn’t understand and that he was sorry for being such a rotten friend and that he wished me well in my life. I didn’t want him to be hurt so I sent him a note apologizing for the letter and that I should have done a better job of explaining things and that if he wanted to be friends or whatever, and then I was still game. We started talking again and calling on the phone. I was going to be in town again for my niece, she goes to college there, and I said that if he had some time we could meet for some conversation and a lunch or whatever. I wasn’t looking to bed him and told him so. He tells me that he is leaving in a week for Vegas. I find out later in the summer that he is doing an internship with his brothers company there and would return again in the fall. We talked via an email message once all summer.

So this summer I get down again and after returning from Vermont in July I was resting during the day and dozed off. I awoke from a sleep in somewhat of a semi-sleep state. It wasn’t like I was awake yet I didn’t feel as though I was asleep. Any way, during this event, I was sleeping with my head on Sean’s chest and when I woke up I looked up and into his eyes and face and he was smiling at me. I smiled back and went back to sleep. That same day, but didn’t know it until the next day, I received a text message on my cell phone that stated, “Call your significant other.” It is so weird because there is no identification as to who sent it, no return number, and on my phone bill, the incoming text message doesn’t show up as ever being received, yet I have it saved on my phone. That same morning the radio came on for the alarm clock and the station was different. I listened and the station was from the town that Sean lives in. I looked at the dial and it was still set at 92 yet the station that was on the air and coming over the airwaves was 106. The next day everything was back to normal. Then this summer, one night as I lay in bed getting ready to fall asleep, that same female voice returns in the calm, soothing, peaceful and comforting tone and states, “He just needs time.” A couple weeks later it returns again and this times states, “He is the one but he has some things to work through.”

The other thing that has been happening to me and has been going on is also very weird and I can’t explain it other than that voice again saying “You will remain pure until.” Ever since I met Sean and started talking to him, I have not been able to establish any other contacts with anyone else. For example, if I go into a chat room on Silver Daddies or Gay.com, no one privates me any more, no one checks out my profile, and it is damn near impossible to get someone to respond back when I private with a hello or some other greeting. It is almost as if there is something blocking things. There have been a couple guys that I have talked to a couple times and now their profiles are gone, they don’t respond to emails, they don’t respond to messenger. It is almost as if they vanished. And also, being human and yeah I know I said I wasn’t looking for quickies, there are times in our lives when Rosie Palm and the Five Sisters just don’t quite work out and one does get horny and wants to get off a different way. It is just surprising that I can’t even get a quickie to happen and if I stop by the usual “cruise” spot, there is no one around and they were all well staffed!! It is almost like nothing can happen to me sexually with anyone else until what?

Sean is the youngest in a family of 7 of Catholic parents who are going through some difficulties and contemplating divorce. Many of his older siblings are married or have long-term friends working towards marriage. He did come out to his family last summer late when one of his brother’s wives made a remark about gays. His family accepts him fully. His family is also quite successful in life and business and one might just say they have that certain good luck charm or karma. I will also say that we have seen pictures and have also cammed and so we each know what the other looks like. The first several times we chatted I had no idea what he looked like other than what he described. The very first time I saw him I thought he was the most beautiful person alive. Now I am no prince charming and certainly far from the most of anything. He is beautiful but he won’t make the cover of GQ but then beauty is in the eye of the beholder and beauty is something that can be lost quickly but the beauty of ones soul can not ever be tarnished.

Now after all of that I get to where my problems and issues start. I don’t know if I am ready to hear what any of you think, feel or say, but I will promise that I will read what you have to say and think about it seriously.

Sean has since returned home for school and started school once again. We have talked once on the phone since when I called him and we talked for about 15 minutes.

My problems, issues, questions are: Am I nuts? Is there something wrong with me? Seeing how I have so little background and experience here, what is going on? What is Sean telling me? What is he trying to tell me? What is he feeling? Where do I go from here besides the nut house? I am totally lost, totally frustrated. Is there something here or is it time for me to “fish or cut bait?”
 
Hey there - belated welcome!

Let me be upfront and say hearing voices is not common. I sometimes get random thoughts and moments of insight, but they don't manifest themselves as spoken - they just appear in my brain, and I don't consider them as sent via angels or the "spirit world". They're just my brain being its normal amazingly weird self. (All brains are amazingly weird, not just mine.) Maybe some thoughts of yours manifest themselves as actually being spoken, but I believe that's pretty uncommon.

Then again, from what you've stated, such things aren't uncommon in your life. You not only have voices telling you what to do, but text messages and even radio stations somehow manipulating you. So let me front you a question - how do you feel about this? Although you haven't said so in so many words, you seem to think that these voices are...well, I don't know if "divine guidance" is quite accurate. But you seem to treat them as more than just casual suggestions. And how do you feel about them in context of where your life is? You're 44, gay, and in rural Wisconsin. (Lex gives a shout-out here to his family in Fond Du Lac.) These voices (and other things) may have done you some positive turns, but then again, you don't exactly seem to be in living a very happy existence.

Do you ordinarly "wait to be told things"? Or do you take steps independent, or perhaps even contrary to what you get told?

Lex
 
WOW!

The voices things, might be a subconscious way of dealing with the issues you are dealing.

Honestly you have a lot in your plate, emotionally overwhelmed seems to fit your description

You need to find help, even a social worker or whatever it is you need to find to talk these things through. Do it NOW, before you have a more serious breakdown. Trust me on this, I am talking from experience.

About 'Sean', I think he is not ready for a LTR, but Honestly neither are you. Get help fast, please. For your own good and for the good of the family that is apparently too dependent on you.

Best of luck (*8*)
 
Hi scooter63 and welcome to posting. I'm glad you made your first post (finally). I also hope this is the first of many posts from you here.

You've had a complicated life, with your share of sadness and trauma. In spite of that, you've got your wits about you and seem to be taking care of business.

I dpn't know what to say about the voices thing, and that may (or may not) be indicative about another issue(s). But, that wasn't your question anyway. You asked about Sean and what to do about him.

I agree with the sentiments above that he's probably not ready for a relationship. If I had to guess further, I'd also guess that he's unsure about not being ready, resulting in mixed messages to you that seem to linger week after week without any forward progression in the relationship. It's your choice how you want to handle this. You could tell him to shit or get off the pot, but you risk losing him by pressing him. Or, you could sit back and let come what may, but you may be waiting 10 years--or never.

That, to me, is but one issue you're facing. I'm also concerned about your depression, which is becoming more frequent and pronounced. Given everything that's gone on in the last several years--including your mother's recent illnesses--it's no wonder.

All of these things you mentioned...being Super Responsible for your family, your depression, Sean, indecision, are probably wrapped together somehow. No one on this board is going to be able to untangle this spaghetti bowl of experience and feelings. Only a guiding professional can do that. I know that those types do cost an arm and a leg, but if you find a good one, it's worth every penny. Someone needs to hear you out and help you put all the pieces together. Someone needs to explain your experiences and put things in perspective. Someone needs to help you set your values and priorities.

This is going to be a lot of work, but you are up to it. You're articulate and smart and have a lot going for you. The best thing you can do for yourself is invest in your own well-being. The last, fatal tragedy of your sad family life would be for you to do nothing and spiral down to depression and illness. It's not necessary. Please get going.

Check in here and let us know how you're doing. We care.

(*8*)
 
Well I have read over what you have written here and have thought about it now for a couple weeks. I thought there would have been a few other comments but I think it is because one it is too long of a post and secondly because of the topic of voices being in it that has kept people away. I debated on including that information into this post but I thought it was important to the whole question that I had regarding Sean. Now I think it was a mistake to have included that and I should have just kept that to myself.

Do I have a lot on my plate? Yes. Is it getting easier? NO. It just got even more complicated this week. I was met at the door on Monday evening by our local Board asking me to serve as the new Municipal Clerk following the untimely death of the Clerk. Being me, I can not say NO to anyone. When people are in need and come asking it is just in me to say, "How can I help?" I know I need to say no and to make me a priority but that doesn't work.

There is a lot more to my background that I didn't include in my narrative above that makes me who I am and my belief structure. I didn't add it then and I won't add it now as it way too long.

I will say this though, that one can have faith and be gay. One can believe in a God and be gay. One can believe that God created me in his image the way I am and still be gay. And so when I talk about having situations where voices come to me, dreams, visions, and other things happening in my life doesn't change the fact of what I experience, what I believe, what I feel is really happening to and around me just because I am gay. We are all created uniquely in the image of our God to serve and we need to remember where the dictates of what is right and wrong come from --- mankind and not from God. God only asks us to love and share that love of our fellow man with kindness. Man is who has laid down the dictates of what is right and wrong and those dictates are to serve other purposes. So when it is stated doesn't make either of us wrong nor right and doesn't lessen who we are.

I am really not sure just what all there is too it and I really don't understand just what I am suppose to do with the information that I am given why. Do I discount it? No. Do I believe that it comes from some source beyond the realm of human understanding? Yes I do. Do I believe that our family members and friends that have passed from this world come back to help us? Yes I do. Does that make me less of a person? Does that make me less of a gay person? Not in my book. To me it just makes me a better person.

To answer you, confused. I don't know where my life is and I don't know where it is going. It doesn't seem to be in my control at the moment and that has me confused, concerned, and upset. It is certainly something that is working on my emotions for sure. But in the end, I get up in the morning and put one foot in front of the other and trust that what I am doing is the right thing to do and that I am trying to be a good person.

No I don't wait to be told by a "voice" what to do or when. I am not sitting in seclusion in my house not wanting to go outside to do anything until I have been told. I get up and work every day and have many, way too many responsibilities to do that I don't have time to wait. What I do though is put it into my experiences and then way it with ideas as to what to do. For instance, when I was told I just listened and put it into my experiences. Did I run right out and tell Sean or say, "See. It is right here. I have it from the highest authority in the universe that you are mine." No I didn't. In fact, this forum discussion was the first time that I have even mentioned it to anyone.

in a nutshell, yes. I am emotionally overwhelmed. I am just plain overwhelmed in everything. There are days and times when I have thought how easy it would be to just put an end to all of this madness. I think about how my brother is no longer in pain and no longer has the problems of trying to deal with life. I have thought it all out on how to do it so that no one would ever really know where I went. One would go out into the swamp where no one goes to and you just end it. You do it in the early summer when the flies are the best and in a short period of time there is nothing left. That winter the snows will come and push what is left down into the grass and the next year the new grass grows up and hides all evidence. In a few short years you are just material on your way to becoming coal. At least that would be something useful in the future. I have thought about that for a long time. The closet I ever got to that point was the day I lost my job. I didn't do it then because I asked for help from my God and I was guided into doing something else in a very short time frame and got real busy and got my mind off of things. The only real thing that keeps me from thinking about this in a more real context today is that I can't do that and leave my mom in her state to the care of the other ungratefuls. I have too much love for her to do that to her. And besides, she has already lost two children and I saw how that hurt her and I don't want to add to it. Afterwards? Whats to hold me back then?

When is there time? And where is the money going to come from? Insurance won't pay for it. Yes I know. But I need time, financial resources to do it, and the actual resource there. Could you just imagine the dollar signs showing up in this persons eyes when they start to get involved in this? Retirment on a long lost island would be in their works.

The more I thought about what you said here and thought about some more, you are exactly right. About me that is. I don't have a clue about Sean. How in the hell could I ever think that I could get involved with someone, anyone, anything with all the shit going on in my life. Who in their right mind would even want to invest an ounce of effort to get involved with me and what is happening with me? And for that matter, who would want to be with someone as worthless as me? I am a fat, ugly, balding, worthless piece of shit that is good for nothing and I am trying to make myself out into being some time of prize catch. What I need to do is get real and realize the fact of just what I am and quit trying to make myself into something that I am not.

When I first read the words of the thoughts that came to me that I need to just give him space. And after reading all of the commentary and thinking about it, I thought that the general consesus was that I was nuts and needed to get Sean out of my life. I thought about him all the time. What he was doing, what I would like to do with him, the places to travel, the experiences to share and all that shit. One night as I lit my candle before bed, I just said a prayer to God and said that if Sean is not the person for me for my life's partner, then I ask that you remove him and all thoughts and images of him from my life. In the past couple weeks a thought of Sean maybe only comes into my consicous mind once a week if that. By just saying that little prayer it seems as though the issue with Sean and the questions that I had were answered. Am I going to accept it? Am I going to do something to change it? Yes and No. I am just going to continue to get up in the morning and go about what is expected of me and to continue with what I have been doing in a job search in a new location and continue to try to be a good person. Others may not think much of me and only use me and I continue to allow that to happen as that is the way it always has been. Someday I will be free of it all and I won't have to worry.

Oh yeah it is alot. Let me begin to list the what those qualities are ...... well there must be at least one. Ok I will write it down. ....... I can't think of one and neither can anyone else.

One can have faith and be gay. One can have hope and be gay. One can have goodness in the heart and be gay. One can love God and be gay. One can be gay and be loved by God.
 
Well, I read all of both your posts, and I'm almost at a loss for words. It seems that there's a lot more information that needs to be known in order to aid you in your time of need. For example, in order to help your first and main concern (What to do about Sean?), it needs to be known how he feels about the whole situation. However, I have a feeling that just that small piece of information is just the tip of the iceberg of what will bring up a whole mess of other things. I think, in order for me to help you the best that I can, I would need to have a conversation with you. So if you're interested, I can talk to you via Skype, MSN, or AIM. Sorry I don't use Yahoo. I can't say that I can give you an exorbitant of time, as I am kind of busy, but I will try to help you the best way I can, if you're willing to accept it. Besides, it seems like you could really use someone to talk to. Just PM me the messenger you want to use if this sounds like something you want to do.
 
scooter63. I'm going to be upfront about this...regardless who on here thinks that I could be crazy or whatever. But have you ever thought that this female voice could be your sister? I mean, I know that we live in a very scientific world and that anybody who believes in the supernatural or such things is usually branded as a nut job and sent to the funny farm right away. But maybe your a low level psychic with the ability to talk to spirits....a medium of sorts. Has anything else strange ever happened in your life? Have you seen things out of the corner of your eyes but when you look directly at them there gone....like you were just dreaming or something? I mean you could always go to a psychic ( a good one....not the kind you find on tv or in magazines) do some research....check out some books. It's a hobby of mine and it's amazing stuff once you get through the bullshit and the quakes who are just scaming people for money.

As for what you should do....I'm not normally one to tell people to act out what the voices are asking...hehe boy that sounded really bad. But in this case there not asking you to kill, maim or hurt anybody so the curious side of me says follow her instructions and then report back to us. I just need to know what happens!!
 
My suggestion is that you should first talk to your family doctor about your depression and being overwhelmed.

You have a lifetime of issues to work through as well and since you have said that things were never discussed in your family, the only way that you're going to be free of a lot of the weight you're carrying from childhood is to get counselling with the assistance of your family doc. There are ways of obtaining this help without bankrupting yourself. Usually thoughts of suicide are a good entry to clinical mental health care support.

Maybe it is the other world or maybe it is only psychosis. One is at least manageable.

I don't think that you are going to get the help you really need on bulletin boards where people with extremely limited experience are only able to speculate on your psychic abilities or encourage you to get the counselling you desperately appear to need.

Your posts are at least a first step perhaps in reaching out for help. You should take a copy of them with you when you see your doctor. Best of luck in taking the next steps in sorting things through.
 
scooter63. I'm going to be upfront about this...regardless who on here thinks that I could be crazy or whatever. But have you ever thought that this female voice could be your sister? I mean, I know that we live in a very scientific world and that anybody who believes in the supernatural or such things is usually branded as a nut job and sent to the funny farm right away. But maybe your a low level psychic with the ability to talk to spirits....a medium of sorts. Has anything else strange ever happened in your life? Have you seen things out of the corner of your eyes but when you look directly at them there gone....like you were just dreaming or something? I mean you could always go to a psychic ( a good one....not the kind you find on tv or in magazines) do some research....check out some books. It's a hobby of mine and it's amazing stuff once you get through the bullshit and the quakes who are just scaming people for money.

As for what you should do....I'm not normally one to tell people to act out what the voices are asking...hehe boy that sounded really bad. But in this case there not asking you to kill, maim or hurt anybody so the curious side of me says follow her instructions and then report back to us. I just need to know what happens!!


It is funny that you write some of the things that you do here as yes... some of that has happened to me and at first I didn't know what was happening but over time I have figured it out, I think.

If we go back to when my sister first got sick in the summer of '01, I had these things always on the edge of your vision. They were like black dots moving around and they moved. They were not stationary but were moving but always on the edge. And when you turned your head there was nothing there but when you went back to looking straight ahead they were right back. Then when my brother was going through his stuff, they were really around. There were even more. For the two weeks before he committed suicide, those black spots were always there, they never left, and were far more in number. I remember at first thinking that they were bugs as I was laying on the couch watching television and they were on the floor. When you looked there was nothing there on the floor. Then after my brothers funeral, they slowly disappeared. They were back again when my mom got sick the first time and then again when she was sick from the chemo real bad. The last time she was sick and the doctor thought she wasn't going to make it, there were no spots floating around. At that time I new inside that my mom was going to be alright that it wasn't her time to go yet.

After my sister died, the microwave was unplugged every morning for 3 weeks. The plug is behind the microwave and it is pushed up against it yet every morning it is unplugged. My mom has had a tap on her shoulder during the night that started after my sister died. It was quite comman, like every night but now has not been as often. And I am totally afraid of fire. Have been since we lost our home to a fire in 1970. After my sister died, I would smell this smoke. It could be inside or outside but I would smell smoke and no one else would smell anything. I would say, but can't you smell it. It is so strong something has to be burning. I would walk all through the house and outside the house and nothing. There were even several times during the day when I was outside working and the wind is blowing like crazy and I would smell this smoke so clearly. I would be looking around because I knew there was something burning and yet there wasn't a wiff of anything in the air. Not even a cloud yet I could smell the smoke so clearly as if it was right next to me. Just the other week, I walked into the office and smelled smoke and I commented to the secretary, "Do you smell smoke?" and she said no. What I believe is that the smell of the smoke is my sister actually coming back around to check in on me. That is her signal to me. It is a sense, a smell that I instantly recognize.

After my brother died, I took his radio to use as it was better than mine. It would be tuned to different stations, physically moved to a different station. Every day. Some times the volume would be down sometimes up. No one is around to change it. My mom hears the knock on the door at five in the morning and at first was totally freaked that someone was there. She turns on the light and checks but there is never any one there. It is always one loud knock, never more. Also, the phone rings once and usually at the time that we made our last phone call to him trying to find him.

On the evening of December 9, 2006 I came back home from a day trip and came across a drunk who rolled his truck. He wasn't hurt but totalled his truck. I got home later than what I wanted. I went to bed, no big deal about the accident as the guy wasn't hurt at all. I had just started dozing off and there was this tremendous light. White and bright. I remember seeing it and rolling over and it was gone. There are no lights in the bedroom of any kind. The next night, I went to bed and was just dozing off and the same white, bright light was back. This time I couldn't turn over and I was just looking at this light. It was a pure white, and bright. So bright that it even hurt your eyes to look at it. As this light was coming at me the words of "Jesus is coming" were spoken and then the light went away. It was blinding but so pure in color.

I never have had anything come to me regarding other people and so I don't really think that I am pyschic as most pyschics from what I have read and heard don't have the ability to see their own issues but only others. Just what everything is I don't know.

In answer to your question about the female voice being my sister, I don't think so but could be. The very first time I heard the voice, I didn't recognize it but is was a very pleasing, soft, loving voice. That first night talking with Sean when I had this presence come over me, the only way I can really describe it is that it was over powering, powerful, comforting, energizing. It really felt like something from a far more powerful sense. Personally, I think that the precence that came over me that day was from heaven, and I really think it was the Holy Mother who came to me that day. As far as the others, I am not sure but I always felt comfortable and peaceful around the voice and was never afraid.

There are other things that have happened in the family as well, such as one night my sister was driving home from work and the roads were a mess. Snowing, the roads icy and at night. She told me that she knows for a fact that my brother was sitting in the passenger seat that night. Another thing was that earlier this spring my niece took the 4-wheeler for a ride one evening and was going to go ride around the pasture. She never wore a helmet when riding. That night, before she even got the machine out of the garage, she put them helmet on and less than 2 minutes later, she went off the front of the machine head first into the pavement. The doctor said it was a miracle that she had a helmet otherwise she never would've gotten off the pavement alive. She believes that is was my brother making her.

Any ways, I wrote way to much and took up way to much time for people here. But it was so nice to hear from you and your perspective too.
 
People who are nuts / crazy never ask or think if they are crazy :-)
 
Re: Newbie Needs Help & Guidance - Sorry, Longgggg

Hello ....
I thought I would update this post a little with what has happened since I last wrote and the last response to it has been some time ago. So here goes what has happened so far in 2008..........

First, my dad got sick the end of January with the flu and passed away on February 5th of this year. Even though he has been gone from my direct life since 1971, I was the one that was there for him when he needed help after my sister and brother passed away. It was me who moved him and took care of his financial affairs and gave him money to live on. I gave him $20,000 dollars since 2004 and tomorrow I am going to the attorney to settle the estate and will walk away with just about $3800.

He smoked since he was 9 years old and at one time he was smoking 6 packs a day and so you know what that did to his lungs. Then when he got the flu and settled in the lungs he couldn't get enough oxygen into his system to keep it going. He did go peacefully though.

Another issue with that, and goes along with what I wrote previously about my dysfunctional family, was that my sister spent all of her time with him in the room after not seeing him since 1970, didn't know where he lived, and didn't know a thing about his wishes for medical care or funeral plans; camped in the room and took it upon herself to make the decision to not call me or my brother until an hour after my dad had passed away. It wasn't our decision as to whether we wanted to be there or not it was hers. She got to play the martyr in front of her co-workers this time!!!

My sister did go and say she was going to help me get his apartment cleaned up as I only had 30 days to vacate besides working. Her help amounted to digging and left everything a frickin mess. All she was looking for was "momentos" to remember him by and grabbed the family photos of his side of the family and ran. Never bothering to ask if anyone else wanted some or if we wanted copies made. Just a selfish asshole.

Then my brother left for the Middle East for a job working for the US government in Oman and after a week there got a job offer here in the States working for the US Government and so he came back. Well, his employer wasn't going to pay his way back so he needed money and he didn't have enough credit on his card so he calls me at 2:00 AM here asking me to charge the air fare on my card so he can get back. I did. To the tune of over $1200 dollars of which I have only seen $375 and probably will never see another dime from him, the poor little boy. If he would take the fuckin card away from the old lady and make her wear one of the 5000 fuckin dresses she already has instead of running to the Mall of America to buy another one just to go eat at McDonald's, they might have some money around.

In the beginning of August I took my mom in for some routine tests and we came home late on the afternoon of the 9th of August. In less than 6 hours we were on our way to the emergency room as she could not catch her breath. I thought maybe she was having a heart attack. They took an xray and her left lung looked to be about the size of a banana. So at midnight we were on the road again for a two hour drive to a bigger hospital and where her specialists were. Her tests came back after testing to show that the cancer had returned. We did a surgery on Wednesday the 13th in an attempt to make her comfortable and to allow the lung to expand and say inflated. She never really came back from the surgery very well and I wondered if she had a stroke of which I never received an answer.

Any way, she got better and needed some therapy so we transferred to the therapy floor and started walking. On that Monday, the 25th we were walking and she did 45 feet the first time and about half that in the afternoon. That night she did not want me to leave the room and I stayed another 3 hours before she said I could leave. The next morning the nurse calls me at the motel and says that she has taken a turn for the worst. I get there and talk with her and then contact my sister and brother. I do the right thing.

Any way, my sister comes down for the day and leaves about 7 that night, my brother can't afford to leave his job to come as he doesn't have vacation time yet and can't afford to miss work. On Wednesday morning mom was wide awake when I got there and we talked as if it was 20 years ago. One would never know she was sick. She had pulled all the IV lines out during the night and when the doctors came she told them to leave her alone and no more anything. Which was fine, we had talked about that before and I knew that was her wish.

My sister comes and my niece comes as well. Mom was back in a semi-coma by then and would only react to voices and didn't talk. They missed that part. We had problems with the nursing staff in regards to comfort care and it was I who had to battle them and the hospital to get the proper care, she sat. Any way, the hospital agreed to move her to the oncology floor and that took 5 hours to accomplish. I left the room that night, more like I was being told to leave, and two hours later mom was gone. She went very peacefully and very quick. It was as if mom at told me to leave, to go, as I have taken her this far, this last journey she could handle on her own. I made sure I called my brother and sister as soon as we were done with prayers. I didn't wait an hour.

My life is now empty. Alone. At times seems like I have no direction or need. I find myself going to do my usual tasks at certain times and then looking and saying, "Why?" It has been very difficult for me this past month. I went away for a week to visit some friends in the Upper Peninsula and when I came back the same feelings overwhelmed me walking into the house.

I now have to start putting my life back together and it is by myself. There are no friends left anymore as they didn't understand the cancer, the role I was playing as a caregiver, and that I didn't have my own time. I find myself going without food, not sleeping at night but wanting to sleep during the day, and wanting to walk all the time. It is getting better but is still slow. Nights at the house are the worst time.

And yeah, to update you on the visits and voices and such, after my dad died, on two occasions there were small white feathers falling. Once in the house and once at school. There were no feather pillows around and they fell from the ceiling very softly and gently and both were right by me. The other item was on the Tuesday evening before my mom passed away and the white light returned. On two other occasions I had the white light visit me and I could look at until it hurt my eyes. On Tuesday night, the light was on the other side of a room with a divider and I was on one side and I could not look around it even though I tried too. Those of you who still have some type of belief system in tack will remember the story from John's Gospel where it talks about many rooms in my Father's house and I will go and prepare a room for you so that where I am so you will be. I firmly believe that mom's room was being prepared for her, I could not see it directly but was being told that. I didn't put it together until afterwards. Like I said before, one can be gay and believe and one can be gay and still be loved by God.

I still have not had any contact with Sean and don't know what is happening on that front. Still haven't met anyone else and have even ventured out to a gay bar this fall.

I am still as lost as before and still wandering around in a fog. Now probably more so than before as all of the things that were required of me are no longer needed. I have to start over with my life by building a new one. That starts by finding a job in an economy that is going to make that very difficult. It will also start by probably moving.

As things change again, I will come back and update this thread. Sorry every one of my posts are so long but that is just me. Meet me in person and I can talk for hours about anything.
 
Re: Newbie Needs Help & Guidance - Sorry, Longgggg

I'm assuming that you didn't seek professional counselling.

Sorry about your parents. It is tough to lose them and can result in or exacerbate clinical depression.

Now that you have a lot of extra, empty hours, perhaps it is tim to volunteer at some organization in order to fill the time and even potentially give you valuable contacts for employment.

Good luck.
 
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