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NExt Batman Villian (comic book nerds only j/k)

Which Villian do you think is next?

  • Catwoman

    Votes: 25 43.1%

  • Mad Hatter

    Votes: 1 1.7%

  • Holiday

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • The Penguin

    Votes: 3 5.2%

  • Poison Ivy

    Votes: 3 5.2%

  • Riddler

    Votes: 15 25.9%

  • Harley Quinn

    Votes: 5 8.6%

  • Riddler

    Votes: 3 5.2%

  • Clayface

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • The Ventriloquist (and scarface)

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • Total voters
    58
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Ok...ive seen it last night and i must say im deeply disturbed and amazed by that movie. If you follow batman comics and you've seen this movie then you probably noticed its source material is the "Killing Joke" and "The Long Halloween". So based on that information, who do you think the next villian will be?
 
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i'm betting on the riddler.

although i think it might be great fun to have scarface and the ventriloquist.
 
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beatleshead said:
Ok...ive seen it last night and i must say im deeply disturbed and amazed by that movie. If you follow batman comics and you've seen this movie then you probably noticed its source material is the "Killing Joke" and "The Long Halloween". So based on that information, who do you think the next villian will be?
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I participate in several other forums on this, but the guy in the lead right now is The Riddler. This is based on what the fans seem to want ... as well as based on a snippet that Gary Oldman said, seemingly admitting they were discussing using him in the next one.

And where as I am heavily in favor of it, I also want to see The Penguin in the next one, as well ... in a mob boss role, like the other 2 films ... however with him obviously having more sway and screen time, then Falcone and Maroni had in the first two. He needs to cause some carnage.
 
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In my opinion, The Riddler is the right one to follow the present story. In the state of confusion Gotham City was left by The Joker, a series of well crafted riddles could make things even worse for the outlaw Batman.

And just in case they need another villain, what a great oportunity to introduce Catwoman given the current "love status" of our hero.
 
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I thought the next villian would be Catwoman. Based of the quote of Morgan Freeman's character Lucius "Your costume would work against cats." That and with his romance situation as it is Bruce could do well with a little Selena Kyle action.
 
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jdunbar9 said:
I thought the next villian would be Catwoman. Based of the quote of Morgan Freeman's character Lucius "Your costume would work against cats." That and with his romance situation as it is Bruce could do well with a little Selena Kyle action.
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You know what....that went totally over my head....if thats what they put that in thier for then thats clever. it seems like the natural progression would be catwoman as weve seen what evil can spawn from batman but now we could see what psudo-good can come from it. In fact they should do the holiday killer storyline cos they got most of the characters introduced.

as for the riddler...hes too boring and to much like the joker. if they do the holiday story line they should intoduce all the silly villians as secondary villians like the book....cos the some of those guys seem like they wouldnt work in the new realistic style that chris nolan is using.
 
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I like Harley Quinn. A strong, disturbing woman who's not just there to look sexy would work well.
 
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I voted for Riddler # 2, because I'm positive this is a trick. Mysterious.
 
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I love how we put an option like "Holiday" in the poll. Sometimes I just laugh at these polls and people putting in options like this, along with other unrealistic options like Scarface, Poison Ivy, Clayface, and even the Mad Hatter ... villains that don't have a chance of seeing the light of day in one of Nolan's films.

Realistically, and in all seriousness, the only ones that even have a chance are The Riddler, Catwoman, or The Penguin and I think we all know it.
 
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Midnight77 said:
I love how we put an option like "Holiday" in the poll. Sometimes I just laugh at these polls and people putting in options like this, along with other unrealistic options like Scarface, Poison Ivy, Clayface, and even the Mad Hatter ... villains that don't have a chance of seeing the light of day in one of Nolan's films.

Realistically, and in all seriousness, the only ones that even have a chance are The Riddler, Catwoman, or The Penguin and I think we all know it.
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yeah but thats not to say he WONT introduce those "colorful" villians...just that they wont be main villians... nolan's batman is not the old serious villian of the week kind of deal, so the realism concept wouldnt suffer much by having silly people pop around gotha with silly costumes and silly motives trying to copy the joker....i mean just look at our venice beach:D
 
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Nacreous said:
Well, there are quite a few villains from the Batman comics and cartoon series that just wouldn't fit into the "Batman: Begins" universe because they are too theatrical (The Penguin), too "science fiction" (Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy) or just completely at odds with the "psycho-noir" ethos of the new movies (Clayface, Maxie Zeus, Killer Croc, etc).

That's not to say these characters couldn't feature at all; technically the Scarecrow is one of the "Too Theatrical" ilk, but thanks to the clever re-working of the character, he fit into the previous movie quite beautifully (though I would've liked to have seen a lot more of him).

Of all of those suggested, The Riddler is the obvious choice. No science-fiction/mystical super-powers, an overt psychological bent that could play off Batman/Bruce Wayne's own, and a costume that would be quite easy to adapt.

Then again, Director Chris Nolan has never been one for making the obvious choices...

And there are certain incarnations of the ostensibly less feasible characters within the various comics that MIGHT work. For example, the version of Clayface that appears in the Arkham Asylum Batman comic (essentially a monstrously diseased leper rather than the classic "living clay" crap) would work quite beautifully.

Hhmmm....
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Despite what Nolan said about The Penguin and Catwoman, I wouldn't be surprised to at least see The Penguin show up in one of the future films, if not the next one. Again, you mold the villains into what you want them to be. He did it with The Joker, totally revamping his background in how he became the villain. No Axis Chemical plant or anything like that. Just a sociopath who painted his face. But it was effective.

There is no reason The Penguin, comic book version, couldn't be featured either. In his most basic essence, the man is a huge mob boss in Gotham's underworld. We've already seen one mob boss per film anyway. I say The Penguin should be the mob boss for the third film, the one who throws down the gauntlet and unites the other mob bosses that are in disaray after the last film.

The Penguin is without question, the second most famous villain in the Batman universe ... only behind The Joker. You go up to any person on the street and ask them to name Batman villains, and I am willing to bet his name comes up second. The villain deserves to be featured in a film. Make him dark, vicious ... do whatever you got to do. Nolan even acknowledged that he would be interested in Phillip Seymour Hoffman's interpretation of the character, and I think that would be an excellent choice.

Then, have The Riddler doing his thing in a completely different storyline.

I am all for The Penguin and The Riddler in the third film.
 
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Midnight77 said:
Despite what Nolan said about The Penguin and Catwoman, I wouldn't be surprised to at least see The Penguin show up in one of the future films, if not the next one. Again, you mold the villains into what you want them to be. He did it with The Joker, totally revamping his background in how he became the villain. No Axis Chemical plant or anything like that. Just a sociopath who painted his face. But it was effective.

There is no reason The Penguin, comic book version, couldn't be featured either. In his most basic essence, the man is a huge mob boss in Gotham's underworld. We've already seen one mob boss per film anyway. I say The Penguin should be the mob boss for the third film, the one who throws down the gauntlet and unites the other mob bosses that are in disaray after the last film.

The Penguin is without question, the second most famous villain in the Batman universe ... only behind The Joker. You go up to any person on the street and ask them to name Batman villains, and I am willing to bet his name comes up second. The villain deserves to be featured in a film. Make him dark, vicious ... do whatever you got to do. Nolan even acknowledged that he would be interested in Phillip Seymour Hoffman's interpretation of the character, and I think that would be an excellent choice.

Then, have The Riddler doing his thing in a completely different storyline.

I am all for The Penguin and The Riddler in the third film.
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I have to disagree with you. I think Catwoman comes before the Penguin. And your idea for the Penguin is a smart approach but I feel like it is stripping the character of everything it really is other than his name. But other than that I really think we will see a female villain in this next movie and I think Catwoman or Taila Al Ghul would be perfect because of their romantic connections to Batman and the sudden loss of the romantic interest in the Dark Knight.
 
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JesseNYC said:
I have to disagree with you. I think Catwoman comes before the Penguin.
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We're just going to have to agree to disagree with this one.

I would rank most famous as:

1) Joker
2) Penguin
3) Catwoman
4) Riddler
5) Two Face

... which coincidentally happened to be the the same order we saw them appear in the Burton/Schumacher films.


And your idea for the Penguin is a smart approach but I feel like it is stripping the character of everything it really is other than his name.
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The problem is that so many fans have, for whatever reason, turned on The Penguin and essentially put him in the lame villain category. I never hear explanations why they feel this way. They just do.

I can only assume that they don't view him as a threatening enough villain. I do think the bird-obsession has got to go. In the comics, most of his crimes revolved around the bird-theme.

I enjoyed DeVito's version. I thought he pulled off a brilliant Penguin. But it seems like most of today's fans would like to see The Penguin back to basics and back to his mob roots.

With that being said, I would like to see the basic trademarks of the character .... dressed in black, obviously the umbrella, the monocle, and the top hat ... but today's fans crave violence. They like "darker" versions of the villains portrayed then their portrayals of year's past.

Most sites I see, people want to steer far away from the Jim Carrey portrayal of Riddler, and go the route of John Glover's version from the Animated Series. I agree with this route 100%. There seems to be a lot of people that want to see Hugo Weaving in the role.

So with that in mind, I think Phillip Seymour Hoffman would give us a fantastic portrayal of The Penguin that today's fans want to see. I would love to see the tip of his umbrella go through someone's throat ... an officer, or detective who his perhaps tracing him, and then captured.

Give the public what they want.

There's an intrigue value of how a man his size got to be so dominant in Gotham's underworld. But we need to see scenes like that, or perhaps him torturing someone with a flame that comes from the tip of his umbrella. By treating the character as a serious threat to Gotham, and involving him in intense scenes like this, his credibility should be restored in the eyes of fans.


But other than that I really think we will see a female villain in this next movie and I think Catwoman or Taila Al Ghul would be perfect because of their romantic connections to Batman and the sudden loss of the romantic interest in the Dark Knight.
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As I said, I think we are down to The Penguin, The Riddler, and Catwoman as possible villains in the next one. I think you can kiss Talia goodbye. It may be someone hardcore fans want to see, but she just isn't mainstream enough to be featured.

I think The Riddler is definitely in. The question is who will the second choice be?
 
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I want Gina Gershon to play Catwoman or Natalie Portman to play Poison Ivy.
 
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Catwoman could ruin the franchise. Its hard to do Catwoman without it being a little kitsch and camp.

The Penguin has been done to perfection (IMO) already by Danny DeVito. Plus, Christopher Nolan has said he doesnt want to use him.

Two Face will be back, I think.

Its just a pity that Heath Ledger's death will prevent the Joker's Trial being one of the plots of the 3rd film (as was David Goyer's original plan for the trilogy).
 
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Catwoman, definitely. But, as always, not as the major villain, but forming an uneasy alliance versus a non-costumed Rupert Thorne-type. I think part of what ruined the first movie franchise was the alnost-TV-series villain-of-the-week/film thing they had going on. That, and the nipples.
 
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gaz1978 said:
Catwoman could ruin the franchise. Its hard to do Catwoman without it being a little kitsch and camp.
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In Batman '89 The Joker was extremely campy, as well as in the 60's TV series. But Ledger's Joker wasn't campy at all.
So I think Catwoman could be done without kitsch and camp.
 
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Spellbound said:
In Batman '89 The Joker was extremely campy, as well as in the 60's TV series. But Ledger's Joker wasn't campy at all.
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Jack Nicholson's Joker was flambouyant but he did have a sinister side, more so than people give credit for.

My impression is that I think Christopher Nolan wants to avoid literal villains like Catwoman and the Penguin. I think he'd rather use a villain as metaphor like Scarecrow and the Joker. Following that logic, the Riddler may be next up.

The best idea for the 3rd film would be to do a Godfather Part 2 type thing and take the story back and forth between present day (where we are at the end of Dark Knight) and 20 years into the future (where does Batman end up). He could borrow heavily from Frank Miller's work.

It would cap the trilogy and leave almost no chance for anyone to come along and make a 4th film.
 
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