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Oil Changes - info

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There was a question raised about oil change intervals, and such.
http://justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102589

I dug this out of some old files and thought some might find it of use.

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But before you decide on a 7500 mile interval,
read the following, which was written by Rich Kelly on the
Volvospeed/Bay13 discussion board


The oil change will need the oil filter, up to seven quarts of oil and an aluminum crush ring for the drain plug. How often should the oil be changed? My findings have shown that between 4 and 5 thousand miles is about right for the interval. My conclusion is based on sampling oil every thousand miles from 1K to 7K. The results from the oil samples showed at 4K the contaminants from use begin to double. There maybe something to Jiffy Lubes "every three thousand miles" jingle. Using synthetic oil without an additional filtering system doesn't change the contamination or the break down of the additives that are in the oil. If you sample your oil and can prove to yourself that it's OK to wait longer by all means do so. I mention 5K as a max interval but would recommend the 3-4K range.

I work in a shop and if there is anything I don't want to do as a Master Volvo Technician is a $29.95 oil change. When I saw the manufacture mileage at 7.5K miles and 10K miles, I questioned it because I saw what the oil looked like, I saw the coked up heads then I took it a step further and had the stuff tested at an independent lab. So my recommendations are based on those results and not what I read on the internet. If you can go longer than by all means, but at least have your personal samples to back it up.

Volvos come with 5w30 now, they changed about a year or so ago from 10w30, the 5w30 saves a bit of fuel and in Europe, and now the states, any savings however small adds up after a while.

The cost for an oil sample is about $20, through BlackStone Laboratories, 4929 South Lafayette Street, Fort Wayne, IN 46806. You can call them at **REMOVED BY ADMIN - NO PHONE #'S PLEASE** or visit them on the web at www.blackstone-labs.com

They will send you a sample kit, if you give your E-mail they will E-mail the results to you or send you a hard copy in the mail.

Just to give you an idea of the "OIL REPORT" I just happen to receive in the mail on 4/23/03. Cost is $20 per sample.

Top of the page is CLIENT information.


Then UNIT, which includes; Equipment make: Transmission, Equipment Model: Volvo Auto, Fuel Type: left blank, Oil use Interval: 38,058, Oil type and grade: Auto Transmission Fluid, Make up oil added: none, and additional information: I put the VIN number in here.

Comments: RIchard, this ATF has been in the transmission since this Volvo was new, and we think some of the lead might be marking compound left over from the factory. However, it could also show poor wear at the clutch plating. Insolubles show the oil is oxidized (probably from heat), and silicon read high as well. These, along with the metals, are causing this fill of transmission fluid to be too abrasive to leave in service. Suggest changing out this oil and resampling in 20,000 miles.

Elements in parts per million: They test the following: aluminum, chromium, iron, copper, lead, tin, molybdenum, nickel, maganese, silver, titanium, potassium, boron, silicon, sodium, calcium, magnesium, phosphorus, zinc, barium. The amount found is listed in one columb and unit/location averages in another, and universal averages in another columb.

Properties are at the bottom, what Values should be and test values were, for the following items: cST viscosity @ 40C, SUS viscosity @ 100F, Viscosity index, Cst viscosity @ 100C, SUS viscosity @ 210F, Flashpoin in F, fuel %, antifreeze%, water%, Insolubles %.

Don't know about you but there is more information in the report than I really know what to do with, the remarks section breaks it down and keeps it simple for me. This happened to be for the Volvo synthetic transmission fluid, but the Oil sample reports are just as exhaustive
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I try very hard to change the oil in my vehicles every 3K miles. So far engines of the vehicles I have had and now have last a lot longer. All have had well over 100K miles on them and currently the vehicle I have has 130K on it and still like a top.

Just my experiences, but have proven to me, frequent oil changes saves a lot of grief later on.
 
I suppose....

I've just got this weird phobia about car maintenance and repair shops.

I feel that as soon as I drive in all the boys in the blue jumpsuits are high
fiving each other and saying, "Oh, here comes some gay dude, we can charge him triple and the faggot will never know..."

It's prolly mostly in my head, but if one of them says, "Well your differential fluid was low, so we had to drain it out and...whatever" I just stand there nodding like a clueless sheep.

Bottom line, I end up paying $300 for something that cost them 2 bucks.

Ehh... #-o
 
I suppose....

I've just got this weird phobia about car maintenance and repair shops.

I feel that as soon as I drive in all the boys in the blue jumpsuits are high
fiving each other and saying, "Oh, here comes some gay dude, we can charge him triple and the faggot will never know..."

It's prolly mostly in my head, but if one of them says, "Well your differential fluid was low, so we had to drain it out and...whatever" I just stand there nodding like a clueless sheep.

Bottom line, I end up paying $300 for something that cost them 2 bucks.

Ehh... #-o

Must be that Xenon trunk light. :badgrin:
 
I know what you mean, Joshua. I hate it when someone new comes into my shop and I can tell by his attitude that he thinks I'm there to rip him off.

Yes there are times when it costs me substantially less to perform the job than the customer pays. But there's so much that goes into what the actual cost of the job.

It costs me ~$85 an hour just to be open. My labour rate is $95 an hour. I need my technicians to complete the job in less time than book time.

And my guys are not on commission. They get paid whether someone has work done or not. I think it helps to keep them honest.
Must be that Xenon trunk light. :badgrin:
Mmmm... HID! :corn:
 
I know what you mean, Joshua. I hate it when someone new comes into my shop and I can tell by his attitude that he thinks I'm there to rip him off.

Yes there are times when it costs me substantially less to perform the job than the customer pays. But there's so much that goes into what the actual cost of the job.

It costs me ~$85 an hour just to be open. My labour rate is $95 an hour. I need my technicians to complete the job in less time than book time.

And my guys are not on commission. They get paid whether someone has work done or not. I think it helps to keep them honest.

Mmmm... HID! :corn:

Sweetie, if you were closer I'd take my car into your shop anyday.

:-)

Joshy
 
I don't want anyone to see me that dirty. Eww. My nails! =]
 
I feel your pain ^ in that you have to charge so much; but most of the book time for stuff is so far out of reach; but we get charged that amount and time regardless if it books for 1 hour and it takes you 10 mins, the you add on all the others the rest of the day(s) and you see a significant profit margin being had by the dealership, right?

I agree that a man is entitled to a good living, making a good profit; but dang why wring out everything I have every time I go in there it's always $300-$400+!!

I know I must have $$$ signs on my forehead when I go into those places...

Sorry, I don't mean to make you "the" example and put you on the spot; it's just my ranting!!(*8*) (*8*) :kiss: :kiss:
 
Sorry, I don't mean to make you "the" example and put you on the spot; it's just my ranting!!(*8*) (*8*) :kiss: :kiss:


RANT away, Roger !! :soapbox:


Fight the power !!! :shamrock

(What's with the shamrock ? I'm not sure...)

Bottom line is that about 1 out of 10 car mechanics are honest, but we're
lucky to have one of the 'good ones' with looseliam..

Dr. Josh:cowboy:
 
I feel your pain ^ in that you have to charge so much; but most of the book time for stuff is so far out of reach; but we get charged that amount and time regardless if it books for 1 hour and it takes you 10 mins, the you add on all the others the rest of the day(s) and you see a significant profit margin being had by the dealership, right?

I agree that a man is entitled to a good living, making a good profit; but dang why wring out everything I have every time I go in there it's always $300-$400+!!

I know I must have $$$ signs on my forehead when I go into those places...

Sorry, I don't mean to make you "the" example and put you on the spot; it's just my ranting!!(*8*) (*8*) :kiss: :kiss:
It's all subjective.

Point in case:

1998 LandRover Disco

Front brakes (pads & rotors) book time is 2.6. It's outrageous! So at the dealer one would pay about $290 in labour. I usually do the whole job for $400ish.

Brakes and maintenance are usually flat rates. When I get into clutches, engine work and the like, then I charge book time.

But as you pointed out, at the dealer EVERYTHING is book time. An old employee of mine works at a BMW dealer. He usually books 15-20 hours a day.

And what I don't understand is people keep flocking to the dealers. ](*,) ](*,)
 
I take my car to Wal-Mart Tire & LUBE EXPRESS every 3K miles or so :D
 
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