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Open but still find that being gay is hard to talk about

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Hey guys, just looking for advice. I find it hard to talk about guys, relationships, etc. with my friends and even my family. Iv been out since I was probably 17, but I have never really discussed it with anyone. Its always "hey so you're gay, thats perfectly fine with me" but nothing further than that. I'm not ashamed or anything, but it seems so awkward talking to straight guy friends about my interests.

My sister who is 21, to my surprise just came out the other day. I was shocked to hear about it. I talked to her a little, but didn't go into depth about it, just in case she felt the same uncomfortable way that I do.

She knows i'm gay, I know shes gay, my friends know i'm gay, but we can't seem to talk about it without things feeling awkward?

Does anyone else have this problem or have answers? Is it better to just talk about other things instead?
 
I can't help but notice you have been at JUB for over 2 years and only have 14 posts. Is it possible you are not good at communicating on many levels? Might I suggest you begin opening up here at JUB, where you will be accepted (mostly :)) and begin to feel comfortable talking about yourself and your sexuality.
Through life you are likely to find that many straight people are not comfortable talking about you being gay. Don't take it personally. Straight guys talking to gay guys about other guys romantically generally don't go over well.

Now, let's here more from you about lots of things here at JUB.
 
Most, if not all, have difficulty relating to "gayness," so it is not uncommon that conversations might be limited or awkward. I think you have to let the subject come up naturally as a part of the conversation.

You might want to seek out more gay friends with whom you can relate.

And, of course, bring any of your thoughts to JUB in the appropriate forum.
 
Well, if you want to connect with other gay people in your local community you could always join a local LGBT group. Vancouver is a big city, I'm sure there are plenty of LGBT groups/networks that you could join.
 
I feel the same way. My straight friends are ok with me being gay but I can tell that they really don't want to hear about anything I do regarding it. It even feels uncomfortable saying things like "oh I think he's hot" or anything as simple as that. They just don't want to hear it. They are cool with me until they really have to confront it.
 
This is... Always kind of a rough situation. I don't know if I can help; maybe I can a little bit?

I came from a fairly screwed up family - my parents never, ever had a healthy relationship for a multitude of reasons. They split up when I was 4 years old, but had been sleeping with other people long before that. One of the things that happened around the time of the divorce was that my mother (who was in her mid-thirties at the time) came out of the closet as a lesbian, and my father re-married.

I didn't make too much of it at the time, being a child and truly not really getting it - I wasn't raised with any overt bigotry or prejudice thank god, and reality is so bizarre in the first place when you're young that you just have to take things in stride, more or less. So I was around a lot of lesbians when I was with my mother (and some gay guys but not many) and that was actually cool.

Fast-forward some years; I'm 12 or 13 or so and realizing that I'm gay myself, except it feels really awkward as hell. In part because my mother is also gay. You'd think that would make it easier, right? And in some ways it did, because I had very little anxiety about being rejected based on those terms by either of my parents. But... What I was fearful about to some degree was the idea that when I came out, it would somehow be... not taken seriously, because of my mother already being gay, maybe it would look like I was just emulating her for some reason, or that I was somehow 'made' gay because of some genetic thing, and that it would sort of be looked at some sort of extension of that.

And these ideas, they just upset me so much - because my sexuality felt utterly and uniquely mine, and was a private thing that had nothing to do with anything my mother did behind closed doors. I felt very defensive about this, and really didn't want to feel... patronized or not taken seriously. If you try to empathize with your sister for a second, it could be that she felt the same way. That you already being gay made things challenging for her in ways you may not entirely imagine. Not that I'm claiming to speak her, or tha my position is the same, I just thought it might be worthwhile for me to discuss. And it really *is* awkward to talk about this stuff with family, whether it's your sister or your mother or anyone in your immediate family, I think.

It still took me a couple years to sort it out and work it up to come out to my parents. The interesting thing was that while they were all very accepting, of course... Well, my father was actually more accepting than my mother. And I'm closer to my (straight) father, whereas my older (straight) brother is closer to our (lesbian) mother. Part of this has to do with sexuality, but I honestly think my mother was always a little dismayed by my homosexuality, to be frank. She has always made comments about me to "be careful" and talking about how terrible men can be and even making comments like she can't understand why I'd wanna be in relationships with men. And this is coming from a lesbian! I called her out on this, her acting like I had a fucking choice in the matter, and she stopped. But she still passive aggressively implies this stuff, and while she's gotten better about it, it took her a while to get there.

Whereas my father actually guessed that I was gay right as I was figuring it out, and actually pre-empted my coming out by telling me that just in case I happened to like boys instead of girls, it was absolutely fine and made no difference. He was always much more perceptive than my mother, and my father and I are very similar in a number of ways. He's never been dismayed about my sexuality. I have *always* found it easier to talk about boyfriends, or relationships, or anything personal with him. He's not judgmental about things, and it's just.... easier. I think the truth is that the gender gap is just so huge, and homosexuality in many ways only widens the gape. Thus, despite my mother and I both being homosexual, it is just so awkward and difficult for us to try and relate to one another on that level.

Anyway, sorry. This was long and probably boring. I guess my answer to your question, based on my own experience, is that it should be awkward. And you *could* always have a difficult time relating to one another in this way. But also, give it time! You too are at least of the same generation, and that changes a lot. She's still new at this and getting used to it. And when I say "give it time", I mean years. You can't put a clock on these things, or expectations really. Just be gentle, try not to push her initially here, and let things run their course.
 
Examine what it is that you feel uncomfortable discussing with them and also what you think they are uncomfortable hearing. It's difficult discussing anything with people that don't have the same interests or experience. It's no surprise why many gay men related well with straight women.

I've noticed that I can discuss most things with most of my friends and relatives one on one, but sometimes, in group settings, I can be a fish out of water. There's nothing quite like a gay group activity. There, I can let go of most self-censorship.
 
Are you hanging out with other gay guys? I know for a fact my straight friends don't really want to hear about the cock-sucking, bu then they plague me with twat and fair's fair.
 
Straights generally don't want a lot of details on gay life. I agree you should talk more here, as well as making more gay friends in real life whom can relate to you.
 
I'm from a town just north of Vancouver, fairly small (Population is around 28k). I find it hard to meet other gay guys, they seem to be hiding somewhere! There are no gay bars or anything around the area, I would have to travel a couple of hours south to Van City, which I suppose is not impossible.

Yeah, I definitely had trouble communicating in the past, I sort of learned to keep my mouth shut during high school and I think it's effected me in a negative way, though these last 4-5 years after high school I have made a ton of progress working on who I really am and becoming more open.

For me the most awkward part of talking to friends is the silence. The other day, there was a guy walking in front of me and he was completely gorgeous. I nudged my friend and jokingly said "Look at dat ass" haha.. There was nothing but silence. I guess like a few of you have said, straight guys are usually not interested in gay things which is understandable.

And yes, its much easier to relate with straight women, it seems to be just be a shared interest thing.

For now, I shall keep conversations with straight guys to shared interests such as gaming, work, sports, and i'll keep the relationship and guy talk with the ladys. It seems less worrisome.
 
Under your avatar it says you are dating, so you have at least one guy to talk to about these things, right? What is communication with him like?
 
I'm from a town just north of Vancouver, fairly small (Population is around 28k). I find it hard to meet other gay guys, they seem to be hiding somewhere! There are no gay bars or anything around the area, I would have to travel a couple of hours south to Van City, which I suppose is not impossible.

Yeah, I definitely had trouble communicating in the past, I sort of learned to keep my mouth shut during high school and I think it's effected me in a negative way, though these last 4-5 years after high school I have made a ton of progress working on who I really am and becoming more open.

For me the most awkward part of talking to friends is the silence. The other day, there was a guy walking in front of me and he was completely gorgeous. I nudged my friend and jokingly said "Look at dat ass" haha.. There was nothing but silence. I guess like a few of you have said, straight guys are usually not interested in gay things which is understandable.

And yes, its much easier to relate with straight women, it seems to be just be a shared interest thing.

For now, I shall keep conversations with straight guys to shared interests such as gaming, work, sports, and i'll keep the relationship and guy talk with the ladys. It seems less worrisome.

We all end up with the gay community we're willing to pursue. I'd suggest you (for at least some part of your life) go find a Gay Ghetto to live in. Otherwise you can always hang out here. The internet is really great for gay men in the middle of gay nowhere - there are a lot of resources and communities you can participate in online.
 
Under your avatar it says you are dating, so you have at least one guy to talk to about these things, right? What is communication with him like?

Unfortunately he has been away in Toronto for 16 months with university. He won't be back until June 2015 and even then he may have to go back for 2 more years.

Our relationship was and still is amazing. He was someone whom I could trust, love, and share anything with Right now we do skype and text as much as possible, but with my work schedule and his uni schedule, it can be hard to find time. I'm making plans to go see him this Christmas for two weeks, so hopefully all works out!
 
I understand, the "silence" can be off putting. It's like telling a joke and receiving no response. Extremely awkward to say the least. What are your chances of finding a new job in or around Vancouver? Sometimes breaking the ties with family and moving can help boost your morale. Still close enough to visit, but more importantly, being around a less closeted area and finding new gay friends to opening up your world. Good to hear that you do have a friend in Toronto and that you will see him at Christmas.

Craiger
 
^ Right now, my wallet says nope, haha. Where i'm at right now rent is $290/month living with 2 other guys. In Vancouver that would probably triple. It would be ideal for me personally (I'm much more of a city person) but I just can't afford to do so yet.
 
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