Pope Francis' Legacy & Successor

[NotHardUp1]

A very good sign indeed:

BBC article on MAGA critique of Leo XIV

How stupid would you have to be to believe a pope SHOULD be America First?

 

[Kulindahr]

None of them accept child abuse, but that is not to say they all see and address the crime uniformly.

That's one of the reasons for the Vatican law that got put into place, to be able to hold priests responsible where local laws were deemed insufficient. I don't know of it's ever been used, but it certainly made many bishops start taking things a little more seriously.

Yes, the Church has been guilty of abetting pedophiles and rapists, but fairness still matters in distinguishing how different men have dealt with the reforms.

And it should be noted that the Vatican has done better than a lot of institutions; even at the worst, Roman Catholic clergy were no more likely to abuse kids than police, teachers, or others in similar positions of authority and trust.

 

[Kulindahr]

A very good sign indeed:

BBC article on MAGA critique of Leo XIV

How stupid would you have to be to believe a pope SHOULD be America First?

Bannon and Vance are Catholics??? With their behavior, they should be barred from Mass!

 

[rareboy]

Being Catrholic has never meant that you can't be horrible.

 

[unloadonme]

Being Catholic has never meant that you can't be horrible.

Quite. Whenever anyone tells me that they wouldn't dream of doing whatever they're being accused of because they're a good Catholic/Muslim or whatever and they go to confession/mosque or whatever regularly, then I immediately know they're as guilty as fuck.

 

[NotHardUp1]

Being Catrholic has never meant that you can't be horrible.

Including the popes.

That's why I'm quick to praise both Francis and Leo. And St. John Paul II was a welcome change when he began his reign. But he enabled the rise of Ratzinger, which was a setback for the entire church.

 

[Kulindahr]

Whenever anyone tells me that they wouldn't dream of doing whatever they're being accused of because they're a good Catholic/Muslim or whatever and they go to confession/mosque or whatever regularly, then I immediately know they're as guilty as fuck.

That's stupid. Many people confess things like littering, walking past a homeless person without helping, leaving a shopping cart in the rain instead of putting it in the space for returning them, sneaking a thirteenth donut into a box but checking it out as a dozen, watching porn, etc.
Your view is no different than someone saying they know you're a pedophile because you're gay.

 

[Kulindahr]

But he enabled the rise of Ratzinger, which was a setback for the entire church.

A RC friend always called him "Pope Rat".

 

[unloadonme]

That's stupid. Many people confess things like littering, walking past a homeless person without helping, leaving a shopping cart in the rain instead of putting it in the space for returning them, sneaking a thirteenth donut into a box but checking it out as a dozen, watching porn, etc.
Your view is no different than someone saying they know you're a pedophile because you're gay.

I think you're missing the point. I was talking about people who, when accused of some wrongdoing, and rather than attempting to explain why they're not guilty, simply use their supposed religious faith as some sort of invincibility screen. That's nothing like the same as suggesting that all gays are paedophiles.

 

[Kulindahr]

I think you're missing the point. I was talking about people who, when accused of some wrongdoing, and rather than attempting to explain why they're not guilty, simply use their supposed religious faith as some sort of invincibility screen. That's nothing like the same as suggesting that all gays are paedophiles.

Okay, I've run into a fair amount of that -- but at the same time I've encountered people who responded that way because being a good Catholic was the core of their identity.

 

[HoodedRat]

A RC friend always called him "Pope Rat".

What a terrible insult to rats!