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respect

well

i dated a bi guy once and ive slept with a few pre op transexuals, and quite honestly they are alot of fun in the sack ;)

im fond of dick, but i dont have a problem with the feminine state

i wonder where that places me?

Sorry, Dreu, I don't feel I can offer any insight because that is a question that only YOU can answer! (group)

However, I do know, without question, exactly where I'd like to Place YOU! :badgrin: :hurray: (!w!)

O.K. ... I know! ... :slap:

Keep smilin'!! :kiss: (*8*)
Chaz ;)
 
...Is it possible that a gay person does not understand what it means to be bisexual?
Believe it or not - Yes! (not necessarily Dreu personally!)

This is where the problems arise. Many gay people think its as straightforward as sleeping with both sexes - getting the best of both worlds, being greedy, in denial etc. - which it isn't.

Some people identify as bisexual because they're physically attracted to male and female. Others because they are physically attracted to males, but also need a strong emotional relationship to females. For some it's the other way round, and for others it's varying degrees of all of the above!

I could label myself as bisexual I suppose in that whilst I only sleep with men, I've always had to have an extremely strong emotional 'relationship' with a woman. One of my friends refers to me as his 'soulmate' and labels himself as bisexual because he loves me - on an emotional level - as much as his wife. Even his wife acknowledges this.

However, many of our views on different races, cultures, religions, sexuality, countries are 'fed' to us. We think of India and the Taj Mahal appears. Ethiopia, we think of famine. Paris we think of the Eiffel Tower - that is, until we go there ourselves and suddenly we have firsthand experience and a new memory that comes to mind when those places are discussed.

So, many gay people perceive bisexuals as in denial, greedy, arrogant, etc and many bisexuals perceive gay people to be less than men, effeminate, etc.

We should all of us be saying, 'Give me a different experience, so that I have my own memory the next time it's discussed'.
 
Okay, I'm just a naive kid with essentially zero experience in matters like this, but the one thing I know, based on how complicated things get in my own head, is that it's never as simple as you'd think, looking in from the outside. Just look at the ignorance that some straight people display when they think they have gays figured out: "You're just doing it to rebel... How can you dig other guys? I just don't get it... Try it with a girl, you'll love it..."

Even people who identify as having the same orientation need to be cautious about assuming they know what's going on upstairs with someone else (tops vs. bottoms vs. vers, anyone?) If we all have one thing in common here, it's that other people are always trying to tell us who we really are, like they know better than we do. So, to get back to the actual topic, I think that the essence of respect lies in letting others be themselves and refraining from defining them from one's own lack of knowledge.

I'll never know what it means to be a bisexual man, and that's the whole point - I've lost respect for them the second I start thinking that I do.
 
well i'm learning alot here

thanks for all the posts so far!!!
 
While the technical definition of bisexuality is specifically an attraction to both genders, the meaning is ultimately determined by the one embracing the word. I think, however, that world places a huge stigma on the concept of bisexuality, hence the notion of not using such labels. For instance, a common myth about bisexuals is that they're promiscuous; the myth probably stems from a non-bisexual's inability to fully understand what an attraction to both genders entails. As a result, the concept can go from "attracted to both sexes" to "will have a relationship with anyone." While most people will not admit to believing this connotation, there is a social stigma that permeates into their mind at least once. Maybe to some in the bisexual community, respect means an elimination of such stereotyping, whether deliberate or not. Under the same argument, many likely don't want to label themselves bisexual because of this subconscious notion that gets passed around.

In regards to the question about defining oneself based on a lifelong commitment, I wouldn't see it as an uncommon occurrence. There are some members here who can admit their attraction to one sex, though define their orientation by their relationship. That's just what I notice from the active members that actually volunteer the information here at JUB.
 
In light of other threads bouncing along outside of the No-Flame Zone, I feel the need to bump this...
 
I can't really answer the question directly, as my limited experiences have been with straight people and not the GBLT community. However, I think some of the difficulties of being bi arise from a lack of information. Not too long ago, a friend asked me if I was really bi or if I was just transitioning into homosexuality. The resources available on my campus are geared towards the problems of homosexuality and I have read scientific research that claims bisexuality doesn’t really exist.

I think that our society looks to make defined categories between homosexuality and heterosexuality. It is easier to have either a gay person or a straight person and I think some people have difficulty accepting the area between. When I was trying to talk to my mom about this, how I was attracted to both guys and girls, she just flat out denied the possibility saying, “You’ve always liked girls and the people I talk to say that you know you’re gay at a very young age.” It is either one or the other, and there is little ground for being in between. I think someone mentioned this earlier as sitting on the fence.

I think respect and acceptance will come along more once being gay isn’t as big a deal as it is. I suppose, if there is one thing I could ask from people, it is the same thing the GBLT community has been asking for all along; don’t use labels and accept people as they are and not as some preconceived stereotype. I think that is how I would define respect.

Hope that answers your question.
 
well

i dated a bi guy once and ive slept with a few pre op transexuals, and quite honestly they are alot of fun in the sack ;)

im fond of dick, but i dont have a problem with the feminine state

i wonder where that places me?

lets look at this post------

You dated a bi guy once and you have slept with a few pre-op transexuals----

First off-- you make it sound like dating someone bi is such an extreme thing...
"you wouldnt believe it, I went out with this bi last night!!!"
and I don't understand the connection between being bi and being a pre-op transexual, can you explain it please?

"Your fond of dick but you don't have a problem with the feminine state"---does that mean you don't mind guys that act feminine or what, because thats what that statement sounds like, or are you trying to say that you dont have a problem with a pussy?

your post seems like your looking for acceptance or somthing, at least thats what it seems like to me anyway.
 
BeardedWoof! :wave:

Awesome Posts!!! (group) :hurray: (!w!) ..| :=D:

Keep smilin'!! :kiss: (*8*)
Chaz ;)
 
lets look at this post------

You dated a bi guy once and you have slept with a few pre-op transexuals----

First off-- you make it sound like dating someone bi is such an extreme thing...
"you wouldnt believe it, I went out with this bi last night!!!"
and I don't understand the connection between being bi and being a pre-op transexual, can you explain it please?

"Your fond of dick but you don't have a problem with the feminine state"---does that mean you don't mind guys that act feminine or what, because thats what that statement sounds like, or are you trying to say that you dont have a problem with a pussy?

your post seems like your looking for acceptance or somthing, at least thats what it seems like to me anyway.

ummm

no

it means that i dont like pussy

it means that i dont like pussy but everything else is negotiable

it means i date people, not their classification or a label they chose for themselves

are you looking for an answer or an argument.... because, to be honest, the tone of your post seems rude and arguementative
 
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