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Ronald Reagan is Still Dead

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For those Repugs, and one dumb Democrat who haven't gotten the news.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/opinion/20rich.html?em&ex=1200978000&en=aa12057d6e86c4f3&ei=5087%0A


Ronald Reagan Is Still Dead

By FRANK RICH
Published: January 20, 2008

CONTEMPLATING the Clinton-Obama racial war, some Republicans were so excited you’d have thought Ronald Reagan had risen from the dead to slap around a welfare deadbeat.

Never mind that the G.O.P. is running on empty, with no ideas beyond the incessant repetition of Reagan’s name. A battle over race-and-gender identity politics among the Democrats, with its acrid scent from the 1960s, might be just the spark for a Republican comeback. (As long as the G.O.P.’s own identity politics, over religion, don’t flare up.)

Alas, these hopes faded on Tuesday night. First, the debating Democrats declared a truce, however fragile, in their racial brawl. Then Republicans in Michigan reconstituted their party’s election-year chaos by temporarily revivifying yet another candidate, Mitt Romney, who had been left for dead.

The playing of the race card by Hillary Clinton’s surrogates to diminish Barack Obama was sinister. But the Clintons are hardly bigots, and the Democratic candidates all have a history of fighting strenuously for inclusiveness. By contrast, the Romney victory in Michigan is another reminder of how Republicans aren’t even playing in the same multiracial American sandbox.

The conservatives who hyperventilated about the Democrats’ explosion of identity politics seemed to forget that Mr. Romney also dragged Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. into this campaign — claiming that he “saw” his father, a civil-rights minded governor of Michigan, march with King in the 1960s. The point of Mitt Romney’s invocation of the race card was to inoculate himself against legitimate charges of racial insensitivity; he had never spoken out about his own church’s discrimination against blacks, which didn’t end until 1978. Instead, the tactic ended up backfiring. Late last month The Boston Phoenix exposed this touching anecdote as a fraud. George Romney and King never marched together.

I don’t mean to pick on Mitt Romney — though heaven knows it’s a thriving national pastime — but his retro persona exemplifies much of the present Republican dilemma. It’s not just that the old Reagan coalition of social, economic and foreign-policy conservatives has fractured. A more indelible problem for the Republicans in 2008 is that their candidates are utterly segregated from reality as it is lived by the overwhelming majority of their fellow Americans. The G.O.P. presidential field’s lack of demographic diversity by age, gender, ethnicity or even wardrobe, let alone race, is simply the leading indicator of how out of touch its brand has become.

Mr. Romney’s victory in Michigan was most of all powered by a lie far more egregious than his bogus appropriation of King. In a state decimated by unemployment, he posed before auto plants like an incongruously well-groomed Michael Moore, vowing to fight to bring back every last lost job. His plan? He’d scrap the modest new fuel-efficiency standard passed with rare bipartisan unity in Washington last month and give Detroit a $20 billion fund for energy “research” (not to be confused, he claimed, with a bailout).

It’s a poignant measure of Michigan’s despair that some voters willed themselves to believe in Mr. Romney’s preposterous antidote to the decades-long erosion of the American auto industry. It’s a farcical measure of how little the other Republicans have to say about the nation’s economic crunch that Mr. Romney’s con job could pass for substance.

Whatever the merits of the Democratic candidates’ takes on our fiscal crisis, at least they saw the crisis coming. Though Mr. Romney officially kicked off his presidential candidacy in Michigan, he started grandstanding about the misery in that state only after all his other campaign strategies had failed and he needed a Hail Mary marketing gimmick. In his announcement speech in Dearborn last February, the lone economy he mentioned was the fuel economy of the Ramblers his father manufactured at American Motors in a distant past.

Among Mr. Romney’s rivals, Mike Huckabee alone made affinity for economically struggling Americans his calling card. Unfortunately, Huckanomics is more snake oil. All federal taxes would be replaced by a national sales tax that despite its Orwellian name (the Fair Tax) would shift more of the burden to middle- and low-income Americans.

For the other Republicans, the downturn has been an occasion to recycle the mindless what-me-worry optimism of the pre-1929 G.O.P. presidents and Wall Street potentates since relegated to history’s dustbin. When Maria Bartiromo, moderating a CNBC Republican debate in October, asked the candidates if the nation was heading into a recession, Fred Thompson found “no reason” to think so and pronounced both the near and longer-term economic future “rosy.” Rudy Giuliani extolled the glories of freedom and the market before promising that “the sky’s the limit.”

Even the White House halfheartedly acknowledged the home-mortgage fiasco ahead of this crew. Instead, the Republican candidates have largely clung to illegal immigration as Domestic Crisis No. 1, to no particular point beyond alienating Hispanic voters.

The election is more than nine months away, and already this obsession is blowing up in the G.O.P.’s face with non-Hispanic voters, too. Far from proving the killer app of 2008, illegal immigration is evaporating as a national cause. In the nearly identical findings of The New York Times/CBS News and ABC News/Washington Post polls this month, it ranks near the bottom, the top issue for a mere 4 to 5 percent of voters. The economy (at 20 to 29 percent) leads in both surveys, closely followed by the total of those picking some variant of “war” and “Iraq.”

As if it weren’t crazy enough for Republicans to lash themselves to the listing mast of immigration, they are nonplayers on the issues that do matter most to voters. The more the economy tanks and steals Americans’ attention from a relatively less violent Iraq, the more voters learn that the Republicans have little to offer beyond their one-size-fits-all panacea of extending the Bush tax cuts.

To voters who do remember Iraq, the supposed military success of the “surge” does not accrue to the Republicans’ favor either. Quite the contrary. As every poll shows, most Americans still want the troops home ASAP. Republican declarations that we are “winning” merely lead many voters to a logical conclusion: Why not let the Iraqis take over the remaining triage so we can retrieve the $10 billion a month in taxpayers’ money that might benefit us at home? This is why even the poll-driven Mrs. Clinton, who has been the most cautious and ambiguous of the Democratic candidates about a withdrawal timetable, dramatically changed course to expedite her Iraq exit strategy in Tuesday night’s debate.

Thanks in part to the Giuliani campaign’s one triumph — turning 9/11 fearmongering into a running late-night talk-show gag — the usual national-security card is no longer so easy for Republicans to play. Conservatives not in denial see the crackup ahead. “All the usual indicators are dismal for Republicans,” wrote George Will last week, concluding that “Nov. 4 could be their most disagreeable day since Nov. 3, 1964,” when Barry Goldwater lost 44 states.

But might some Republican still win, especially if the Democrats are ultimately divided by race, or by the Clintons, or by their own inane new debate about Reagan? Conceivably, but only if someone besides Ron Paul is brave enough to break out of the monochromatic pack.

That contender would seem to be John McCain. For all the often irrational anger directed at this conservative by his long-time antagonists in his own party, he is the sole G.O.P. candidate who resisted the immigrant vigilantes. He might have done better in Michigan, where he spoke honestly about the grim prospects for the auto industry, had he backed up his prognosis with remedies less glib than a vague pledge to retrain workers at community colleges. Education policy of any kind is M.I.A. on the McCain campaign Web site.

His ardor for the war, however, has not done him in. He handily won the growing Republican antiwar vote in both Michigan and New Hampshire. Apparently many still remember that Mr. McCain was bitterly against President Bush before he was for him.

Exit polls find that among voters in Republican primaries, as many as half have turned against the president. David Frum, the onetime Bush speechwriter, laments in his provocative new book “Comeback” that by 2008 his former boss “had led his party to the brink of disaster” and cost it “a generation of young Americans.”

At the last Republican debate, the candidates invoked Reagan nearly three dozen times and Mr. Bush just once. “I take my inspiration from Ronald Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush,” said Mr. Romney on his Michigan victory night, in a typical example of the candidates’ circumlocutions about the incumbent president.

This, too, is laughably out of touch with reality as practiced in most American living rooms. Imagine if Mr. McCain’s Straight Talk Express stopped taking detours around the one figure who unites 60-plus percent of the populace in ire. Imagine if he started talking straight about how he’d clean up the White House mess. That might at least break the ice with the vast majority of voters who look at the G.O.P. presidential field and don’t see Ronald Reagan so much as also-rans for “The Bucket List.”
 
Let this so called politican aka actor rest in peace. Why do all the present GOP candidates want to revive Ronnie?
 
^

wow

guess he has writer's block?

doesn't the NYT do any checking?

nah
 
Let this so called politican aka actor rest in peace. Why do all the present GOP candidates want to revive Ronnie?
... because they need to keep his myth alive, else go all the way back to Eisenhower to find one that hasn't fucked this country up the ass.
 
... because they need to keep his myth alive, else go all the way back to Eisenhower to find one that hasn't fucked this country up the ass.


better to keep his myth alive than Jimmy Carter's no?

he won the cold war

they called it the Reagan Revolution no?

never heard of a Clinton Revolution

have u?

GIANTS 23
PACK 20

GIANTS GO TO SUPER BOWL

WOO HOO
 
better to keep his myth alive than Jimmy Carter's no?

he won the cold war

they called it the Reagan Revolution no?

never heard of a Clinton Revolution

have u?

GIANTS 23
PACK 20

GIANTS GO TO SUPER BOWL

WOO HOO

What nonsense. RR left us trillions in debt, as will Bush. Both saying they were financial conservatives, and you still praise them? Clinton fought against REpug smears and attacks, and still left us trillions in the black, that vanished almost immediately after Bush took office. And you still attack his record? What nonsense!
 
What nonsense. RR left us trillions in debt, as will Bush. Both saying they were financial conservatives, and you still praise them? Clinton fought against REpug smears and attacks, and still left us trillions in the black, that vanished almost immediately after Bush took office. And you still attack his record? What nonsense!

don't recall praising bush - do tell

as for RR, Hillary Clinton was quoted as saying RR was one of her fav Presidents - is that nonsense too?

I didn't attack Big Bill either - just commenting on his motor mouth tendencies recently which IMO detract from his wife's business at hand

as for smears on Bill - i hear u - but soooo many of those were self inflicted - as in he struggled to keep his johnson in his pants - and then lied about it - people can forgive "sinners" in fact they want to - but not the lies - he stewarded a good economic time in the u.s. - that he did

again - ur posts and accusations defy credibility as u quote/allude to smearing and attacks that have not occured

yup

but it's ok

still basking in the Giants 23 Packers 20 - on to the super bowl

cheer up Lalo

:-)
 
don't recall praising bush - do tell

as for RR, Hillary Clinton was quoted as saying RR was one of her fav Presidents - is that nonsense too?

I didn't attack Big Bill either - just commenting on his motor mouth tendencies recently which IMO detract from his wife's business at hand

as for smears on Bill - i hear u - but soooo many of those were self inflicted - as in he struggled to keep his johnson in his pants - and then lied about it - people can forgive "sinners" in fact they want to - but not the lies - he stewarded a good economic time in the u.s. - that he did

again - ur posts and accusations defy credibility as u quote/allude to smearing and attacks that have not occured

yup

but it's ok

still basking in the Giants 23 Packers 20 - on to the super bowl

cheer up Lalo

:-)

Your posts are cumulative nonsense. You have in the past attacked any one who dares to dislike your Repug heroes, while denying you yourself are a Repug.
 
he won the cold war

No, he didn't. Terrible economic management on the part of the Soviets imploded their state. And Gorbachev's desire to end the "War," whether or not he intended to end the state, also stopped it. He [Gorby] didn't want to waste any more money on an arms race, and that was seen as a threat to American credibility, if Reagan was exposed as a war mongerer.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5185977/

they called it the Reagan Revolution no?

never heard of a Clinton Revolution

I've also heard of a Communist Revolution, but I doubt you'd agree that was a good thing, right?

In part the erosion of these values has given way to a celebration of forms of expression most reject. We will resist the efforts of some to obtain government endorsement of homosexuality.

Long live Ronnie! [/snark]
 
Your posts are cumulative nonsense. You have in the past attacked any one who dares to dislike your Repug heroes, while denying you yourself are a Repug.

nah

dream on Lalo

i attack those who shower bile and ridicule and nastiness towards politicians indiscriminatley - that be u my friend

don't have any repub heroes - i do think mccain is a solid guy - honest - unusually so for a politician - i think he would be a good president for our situation right now

think hillary would be too

how bout u

we never really hear about what u like

only about what u hate

which fills room - with an odor

LET'S GO GIANTS
 
I love America, and Hate what the Neocons have done to it. I love to see human rights upheld and hate to see people in power tear them down. I love Honesty and hate to see lies and corruption in political figures. I love a good book, but hate most TV.

And the reason I speak of what I hate here is there are so many posters like you who can't seem to grasp what this administration has done in our name. They are criminals, and we need to prosecute them.

Your post about "he's my president and I support him even if I don't always agree with him," turns my stomach. Name one single thing he's done for America that is positive. He's leaving by this time next year, and I fear before then we will have an escalated war on our hands, and be so deep in debt with a full blown economic depression that people will be living in regenerated Hoovervilles. Several generations of Americans will be dying in the middle east because of his perpetual war on "terrorism". Millions pf Americans will lose their homes, as well as their jobs because of his economic policies, and much, much more, yet he's your president and you support him. What a crock. You apparently care more for a criminal president than you do for the American people or the country.
 
I love America, and Hate what the Neocons have done to it. I love to see human rights upheld and hate to see people in power tear them down. I love Honesty and hate to see lies and corruption in political figures. I love a good book, but hate most TV.

And the reason I speak of what I hate here is there are so many posters like you who can't seem to grasp what this administration has done in our name. They are criminals, and we need to prosecute them.

Your post about "he's my president and I support him even if I don't always agree with him," turns my stomach. Name one single thing he's done for America that is positive. He's leaving by this time next year, and I fear before then we will have an escalated war on our hands, and be so deep in debt with a full blown economic depression that people will be living in regenerated Hoovervilles. Several generations of Americans will be dying in the middle east because of his perpetual war on "terrorism". Millions pf Americans will lose their homes, as well as their jobs because of his economic policies, and much, much more, yet he's your president and you support him. What a crock. You apparently care more for a criminal president than you do for the American people or the country.

don't think we should prosecute the admin - they were elected - they made some good decisions - some bad - nothing criminal

i do support my pres - he is my pres - he is america's president - he deserves our support - especially in wartime - if john edwards becomes pres - i would support him - even though i loathe him and his current "ideals"

and america is NOT going downhill - life is peaks and valleys - we're in a valley

and i care much about people - so much so that i refuse to indiscriminately denigrate them - as u do

u gotta cheer up lalo - ur way too depressing
 
don't think we should prosecute the admin - they were elected - they made some good decisions - some bad - nothing criminal

i do support my pres - he is my pres - he is america's president - he deserves our support - especially in wartime - if john edwards becomes pres - i would support him - even though i loathe him and his current "ideals"

and america is NOT going downhill - life is peaks and valleys - we're in a valley

and i care much about people - so much so that i refuse to indiscriminately denigrate them - as u do

u gotta cheer up lalo - ur way too depressing

Your blinders must be the size of garbage can lids. We wouldn't be in Iraq now except for GWB's lies and distortions. There would be no war and if he had concentrated on his first target, the problems would most likely be none existent now and Al Qaeda would be a thing bad dreams are made of instead of being stronger than ever, and spreading like wild fire around the globe.

Your president indeed. The biggest fuck up that ever walked the earth, and you support him. I'm sorry for you Chance. You need help in your thinking. He's a criminal and yet you deny he's done anything wrong but make some bad decisions? Whew! Your ignorance is staggering. America is in danger right now, and guess who brought that about? His initials are GWB, not OBL.

And I like to point out the criminals rather than go along to get along. Prosecution for their crimes will be the only way America can put this nightmare behind us. He's no president, he's a fucking disaster. And even though you profess to dislike him you still support him because he was "elected"? The truth is he stole the WH, and you know it.

He's made America a dirty word to the rest of the world, and at least some Americans are ashamed of him and will do anything to get rid of him and his Neocon ideologues who don't respect anything but power and money.
 
Your blinders must be the size of garbage can lids. We wouldn't be in Iraq now except for GWB's lies and distortions. There would be no war and if he had concentrated on his first target, the problems would most likely be none existent now and Al Qaeda would be a thing bad dreams are made of instead of being stronger than ever, and spreading like wild fire around the globe.

Your president indeed. The biggest fuck up that ever walked the earth, and you support him. I'm sorry for you Chance. You need help in your thinking. He's a criminal and yet you deny he's done anything wrong but make some bad decisions? Whew! Your ignorance is staggering. America is in danger right now, and guess who brought that about? His initials are GWB, not OBL.

And I like to point out the criminals rather than go along to get along. Prosecution for their crimes will be the only way America can put this nightmare behind us. He's no president, he's a fucking disaster. And even though you profess to dislike him you still support him because he was "elected"? The truth is he stole the WH, and you know it.

He's made America a dirty word to the rest of the world, and at least some Americans are ashamed of him and will do anything to get rid of him and his Neocon ideologues who don't respect anything but power and money.


sorry if im unimpressed by YOUR national security credentials

and i will remind u that the iraq war was supported by many - on both sides of the aisle - look it up - u really should

PRESIDENT Bush is PRESIDENT - u hating him does not change that - yeah yeah he "stole" the election - when in doubt pull out another lie just because

no need to feel sorry for me - my eyes r wide open - i see fine - my blood doesn't boil 24/7 like urs - see america is a great place - and our system of govt is fantastic - and i would rather be here than anywhere else - and we will work thru our probs - get a new pres in nov - likely one that will make some positive change (don't be soooooo sure of that as dems/repubs r more alike than diff)

ur disdain for anything american is clear for all to see

never hear anything positive outa you - still waiting

and placing blame on a handful of people for america's ills is misguided and inaccurate

hang in lalo
 
sorry if im unimpressed by YOUR national security credentials

and i will remind u that the iraq war was supported by many - on both sides of the aisle - look it up - u really should

PRESIDENT Bush is PRESIDENT - u hating him does not change that - yeah yeah he "stole" the election - when in doubt pull out another lie just because

no need to feel sorry for me - my eyes r wide open - i see fine - my blood doesn't boil 24/7 like urs - see america is a great place - and our system of govt is fantastic - and i would rather be here than anywhere else - and we will work thru our probs - get a new pres in nov - likely one that will make some positive change (don't be soooooo sure of that as dems/repubs r more alike than diff)

ur disdain for anything american is clear for all to see



never hear anything positive outa you - still waiting

and placing blame on a handful of people for america's ills is misguided and inaccurate

hang in lalo

Actually, very little makes my blood boil but Bush and Company do. Your blinders just got bigger than garbage can lids. Why don't you come out of the closet and admit you really are a repug? Your life would be so much easier than it is now hiding, as you do, behind lies they have stuffed down your throat. It must hurt some to regurgitate them all the time.
 
Actually, very little makes my blood boil but Bush and Company do. Your blinders just got bigger than garbage can lids. Why don't you come out of the closet and admit you really are a repug? Your life would be so much easier than it is now hiding, as you do, behind lies they have stuffed down your throat. It must hurt some to regurgitate them all the time.

u just used "garbage can lids" 2x in a row - speaking of "regurgitation" :rolleyes:

the best part about JUB is that EVERYTHING u write is on record

I love that part

so u can say anything u want about my positions - but u can't post under my name - and make ur lies true

this sounds a lot like the say some peeps attacked obama for his reagan comments - which were fine - they twisted them - cuz it suits them

that's what u do

24/7

what about my garbage can lids?????
 
u just used "garbage can lids" 2x in a row - speaking of "regurgitation" :rolleyes:

the best part about JUB is that EVERYTHING u write is on record

I love that part

so u can say anything u want about my positions - but u can't post under my name - and make ur lies true

this sounds a lot like the say some peeps attacked obama for his reagan comments - which were fine - they twisted them - cuz it suits them

that's what u do

24/7

what about my garbage can lids?????

They make you blind to realities.
 
giving dear old dead ronnie credit for ending the cold war is like giving a basic barn yard rooster credit for crowing and raising up the sun!

reagan took a very well calculated non-risk outspending and indebting the nation to "end" the cold-war. our spies and informants knew all along the the soviets were in do-do and sinking fast.

reagan spent so his compadres who propped him up and stuffed him in office could get rich off the military industrial spending these repugs so love. meanwhile they cry out about phony patriotism and duty to the country so the disenfranchised sign up and do the dirty work of the rich who will hardly ever see combat. how obvious is all of that.

oh, and reagan and the Savings and Loan bailout. just another bunch of billions the taxpayers are stuck paying, like his cold-war buildup.

didn't see that under Bill now did you.
 
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