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Sad, real sad...

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Estranged family members do not necessarily translate as hatred. Often, it is a lack of love. Those are two very different things.

Not associating because there is not a tie that binds is one thing. Spending energy and focus hating a relative is quite another.

And, if two individuals or factions won't gather in larger meetings if the other is present, they may well be doing everyone a favor by not chilling the gathering with any conflict or bad blood that does exist.

Although Fiddler on the Roof was fiction, the example of the father turning from his daughter who married the goy is a good example of a deep culture and values divide, from which the father did not hate the daughter, but he did not accept her life either. In that circumstance, would you want the grandchildren growing up with a grandparent who rejected the kids' father? It's all well and good to SAY the father should forgive or ignore, but people SHOULD do a lot of things they don't. That doesn't make them full of hate. It makes them intractable.
 
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I don't know enough about them to pass judgement, but I'm willing to bet that when they're not firing shots at each other or through their neighbors window, they're also not volunteering at old folks homes or starting a program to cajole people into signing up for library cards because reading is knowledge.
These specific kids, yeah, they're fucked, I meant in the grander scheme.
 
These specific kids, yeah, they're fucked, I meant in the grander scheme.
I was pleasantly surprised when the older , now dead brother took in the 2 younger bros. They (the 2 young ones) were out in Nevada, the older sent for them. He had worked to buy a decent truck and a decent mobile home here and imo did what he thought was right. I thought that maybe the cycle had been broken. Maybe I am I am a fool, maybe this stuff can't be fixed.
 
So sorry.

Can you help them?
I have tried since I have known them... it's been 10 or 11 years now. The dead one obviouly can't be helped. The one who pulled the trigger is still in jail and will probably face charges. The 16 year old is alone know as far as I know. He will probably in up in foster care. This is the 3rd young man that I have known to have his head blown off by a gun.
 
I have tried since I have known them... it's been 10 or 11 years now. The dead one obviouly can't be helped. The one who pulled the trigger is still in jail and will probably face charges. The 16 year old is alone know as far as I know. He will probably in up in foster care. This is the 3rd young man that I have known to have his head blown off by a gun.
Who takes care of them now?
 
At some point, we have to accept that all our best efforts will not save the world.

I cannot go into details, but I have learned this over the years. We do our best but have to accept that others have agency outside of our influence and will make decisions that are good or horrific no matter what we do.
 
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